Mother appeals ruling on gays

Washington Times ^ | Nov. 5, 2003 | Valerie Richardson

[MeekOneGOP]

Cheryl Clark, who left a lesbian relationship in 2000 after converting to Christianity, was ordered by Denver County Circuit Judge John Coughlin to "make sure that there is nothing in the religious upbringing or teaching that the minor child is exposed to that can be considered homophobic."

Dr. Clark filed her appeal with the Colorado Court of Appeals last week.

Her former lover, Elsey McLeod, was awarded joint custody of the child, an 8-year-old girl who is Dr. Clark's daughter by adoption.

Good grief ! What's wrong with this picture ?? ...

[MeekOneGOP]

barf alert!

MICHAEL STUPARYK/TORONTO STAR

Michael Stark, left, and Michael Lashner pop champagne
and kiss after their wedding ceremony yesterday.
Leshner called the ruling, "Day One for millions of gays
and lesbians around the world."

Gay couple married after ruling
(Toronto, Canada)

B.C. court OK's gay marriage -
first gay couple legally married in British Columbia

Gays Flock to Divorce Court

Same-sex unions in 'News' -
Dallas Morning News to publish FREE
same sex unions announcements

The Media's Gay Mafia "Queers" the News

Useful Idiot Caption-A-Rama: Special Gay Pride Edition!

Gay frat seeks approval from UT-San Antonio
(See #39 for some humor)

[Dataman]

I know it's easy for me to say from my safe perspective, but in her situation, I can picture myself in public, reading from the germane (and univocal) Biblical passages, without comment....

...then looking up and saying loudly and clearly, "There. Jail me."

Dan

Smoking is bad for you. We must ban it.
Gay practices are worse for you. We must encourage it.

At our current rate of travel, you will reach your destination shortly -- whether or not you read those passages.

[ArGee]

This ruling strikes to the heart of First Amendment protections and enters the realm of thought control.

Even more importantly, whenever Christians speak of trying to preserve the culture that we inherited we are accused of trying to create "bedroom police" or "thought police" or whatever. Yet it isn't the Christians who are doing this, it is the perverts and their willing accomplices. In all the decades when homosexuality was illegal we never had anything as egregious in violating rights as this case.

Christians are not the enemy of American Freedom. They are its guardians.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

I suspect McLeod is being a first-class vindictive bitch,

Good heavens! That is a rather strong statement based on no evidence whatsoever. Why would you say such a thing?

Is it not possible that Clark (recognizing the correction you made in the next post) actually cares deeply about McLeod but simply wants to teach her daughter the truth about her deviant lifestyle?

Shalom.

[F.J. Mitchell]

So in your opinion it is just fine for the Judge to disallow this lady who learned from her mistakes, to pass that wisdom along to her daughter?

Very interesting.

[ArGee]

It puts the child into an impossible situation- mommy is telling the kid that daddy is a scumbag.

What if daddy is a scumbag? What if he is in prison for rape or murder? What if he used to beat the stuffing out of mommy on a regular basis.

In all your careful, reasoned response you have forgotten that homosexuality is wrong. It is the mother's moral duty to warn her child against it.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

Read it again without your agenda glasses on.

Neither woman is the natural mother.

The adoptive mother is the Christian.

The lesbian is totally unrelated to the child.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

Because he's doing family law, he has the "power to look at the big picture" and ignore the law?

You make an excellent point, but there is even one more excellent point to make. This isn't a famly law case because McLeod isn't part of the family. PERIOD.

Either the word "family" has meaning or it does not. Redefining it from the bench is egregious and should never be permitted.

For the moment, a family is a man and a wom who are legally married and/or any children of theirs by birth or adoption. There is no other definition.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

What if the custodial parent hated Christians and constantly told the little girl that the noncustodial parent

There is no non-custodial parent here. There is a custodial non-relative, but no non-custodial parent.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

Smoking is bad for you. We must ban it.
Gay practices are worse for you. We must encourage it.

You have a constitutional right to be gay.
You do not have a constitutional right to read the Bible in school.

Does anyone really wonder why Christians believe our culture is nearly at an end?

Shalom.

[rmh47]

No one is talking about taking a kid away, they are talking about restricting the right of the child's parent to TALK about an ex-lover's lifestyle.

Actually, the judge is resrticting a great deal more that that.

From the original article: Cheryl Clark, who left a lesbian relationship in 2000 after converting to Christianity, was ordered by Denver County Circuit Judge John Coughlin to "make sure that there is nothing in the religious upbringing or teaching that the minor child is exposed to that can be considered homophobic."

[jwalsh07]

The Judge should be impeached for cause, plain and simple. He knowingly violated his oath to protect and defend the Constitution by issuing an order abridging the 1st Amendment Rights of the woman who found Jesus and adopted the child.

[ArGee]

The Judge should be impeached for cause, plain and simple.

My, you are a silly a$$.

Judges don't get removed for restricting the rights of Christians or for advancing the gay agenda. Judges get removed for displaying the Ten Commandments.

Everybody knows that!

Shalom.

[scripter]

Thanks for the ping ArGee.

This is a follow-up article to:

Judge to Christian mom: No 'homophobic' teaching

[r9etb]

So in your opinion it is just fine for the Judge to disallow this lady who learned from her mistakes, to pass that wisdom along to her daughter? Very interesting.

If that's what I think was happening, no -- probably not.

But I doubt it's so lovely and Christian as that. Rather, based on the Judge's very circumspect comments, I think this whole thing is very, very ugly, and that the one lady is using the Bible to poison the little girl against the other lady.

So if that's the case .... in your opinion, is it fine for a woman, allegedly a Christian, to use the Bible to stop a child from loving somebody whom they've come to love as a parent?

[r9etb]

Good heavens! That is a rather strong statement based on no evidence whatsoever. Why would you say such a thing?

Because we have no reason to disbelieve the judge when he says that this is a very acrimonious situation, and that the so-called "Christian teachings" are damaging the relationship between the little girl and McLeod. Call me a cynic -- but I think that this is basically your typical ugly divorce with a twist, and there is little niceness to be found on either side.

Is it not possible that Clark (recognizing the correction you made in the next post) actually cares deeply about McLeod but simply wants to teach her daughter the truth about her deviant lifestyle?

Possible, but highly unlikely.

BTW, a large part of my contrarian position on this story is due the fact that Clark's lawyers are a) advocacy lawyers, a species whose public statements I never trust at face value; and b)the fact that they're shrieking about the judge wanting to suppress religious freedom, when it seems quite clear that the judge's ruling is based on something quite different: the damage Clark is causing to the relationship between the child and McLeod.

IMHO this thing is a publicity gimmick by Clark's lawyers to raise a public hue and cry -- which it seems to be doing.

And all involved (with the possible exception of the judge) seem to have lost sight of the fact that there's an innocent little girl who has to witness this ugliness, and whose opinion of what Christianity means is probably being hideously warped -- by Ms. Clark, above all.

[nmh]

"Cheryl Clark, who left a lesbian relationship in 2000 after converting to Christianity, was ordered by Denver County Circuit Judge John Coughlin ..."

Is it any wonder that they DO NOT want any Biblical teachings on homosexuality to have an influence on the child? The mother now follows Christ and He enabled her to leave a lesbian life style. Yup, He will help all who desire it. To suggest that the mother remain silent on the most important Person in her life - Christ and His teachings as well as His power to heal is absurd! It just goes to show how evil hates Him and His teachings.

[fiscally_right]

So single parents should never seek a companion to marry/remarry?

[Jim Noble]

As the article mentioned, orders by judges to parents not to bad-mouth each other in front of their children after a divorce are not uncommon

But awarding joint custody to a non-parent non-relative is distinctly uncommon.