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Muslims Are Good Folks
lrc ^ | 13-Nov-2003 | C. Reese

Posted on 11/13/2003 7:54:28 AM PST by stainlessbanner

I wish more Americans had an opportunity to get to know Muslims. Then they would not be susceptible to the silly anti-Muslim propaganda that is floated by some right-wing Christians.

Muslims are good folks. One fellow e-mailed me quite convinced that Muslims lop off the heads of every infidel they meet. I've been a guest in the homes of many Muslim friends, and the only thing they lopped off were extra servings of lamb.

People believe such nonsense because they are ignorant of the facts. The oldest Christian communities in the world are in Muslim countries. Some of the oldest Jewish communities in the world are in Muslim countries. The deputy foreign minister of Iraq is a Christian. Saddam Hussein donated $1 million to help build a Christian church in the United States. There are Christians in prACactically all Muslim countries, and there have been for centuries. I've said all this before, but when lies blow strong, truth bears repeating.

Islam, like other religions, has different groups. Some are strict in their observances, and they might be likened to the Christian Pilgrims who settled Massachusetts. But even the most strict -- commonly called fundamentalists these days -- know that a Muslim is commanded to treat Jews and Christians "as I would treat myself," in the words of a Hamas leader.

In my travels in Muslim countries, sometimes among the poorest of the poor, I was never panhandled or attacked. As far as crime goes, you'll find cities like Beirut or Damascus or Amman or Ramallah much safer than most American cities.

Islam is not a religion with a hierarchy such as the Roman Catholic Church. In that respect, Muslims are much like Southern Baptists, only more so. Any group of Muslims can build a mosque and hire themselves an imam, or teacher. They are independent. There is no Muslim pope or College of Cardinals. There are no bishops. When an imam somewhere issues a fatwa, which is a sort of formal opinion on a subject, it is not binding. Like Protestant Christians, Muslims interpret their holy writings themselves and consider themselves answerable directly to God -- or, to use the Arabic word, Allah.

Most of the disputes in the Middle East are secular and political. Hamas' quarrel with Israelis is not about the fact that they are Jews but about the fact that they occupy Palestine. The objections some Muslims have to Western culture are the same as those some Christians have. They don't like the violence, the immorality, the pornography and the greed. The conflict one sees between the religious and the secular in some Muslim countries is similar to the conflict in this country between religious and secular folks.

There are 6 million or 7 million American citizens who are Muslims. Muslims have been in this country since the late 19th century. If you don't already, you should make an effort to get to know Muslims. You'll find that they don't fit the stereotypes created by mean-spirited propaganda or superficial news coverage.

Racism is a monstrous injustice because it imposes a stereotype on millions of innocent individuals. The only real solution is education and broad experience. It seems to me that God creates individuals one at a time, and it is the human mind that insists on grouping and classifying them. We should resist that temptation.


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1 posted on 11/13/2003 7:54:29 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: billbears; Ff--150; 4ConservativeJustices
for your thoughts
2 posted on 11/13/2003 7:56:00 AM PST by stainlessbanner (Grits & Gravy)
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To: stainlessbanner
They are great people. But if you badmouth Mohammed, they'll kill you. That says "cult" to me.
3 posted on 11/13/2003 7:56:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (Pittsburgh beat Virginia Tech 31-28. Panthers rule!!".)
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4 posted on 11/13/2003 7:58:35 AM PST by Alouette (I have 9 kids)
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To: stainlessbanner
Well, I'm still waiting for the big press release by the leading Muslim councils in the US condemning the murder of 3000 Americans on Sept 11, 2001.

{crickets}

5 posted on 11/13/2003 8:01:20 AM PST by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: stainlessbanner
"..for your thoughts.."

Charlie Reese is obviously an idiot. "Some" Muslims may be nice people, but, at its core, the religion is a blight upon humanity.

6 posted on 11/13/2003 8:01:58 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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Key Differences

GOD

Historical Christianity: There is one true and living God, who exists as three distinct, co-equal, co-eternal persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Deut. 6:4; John 20:28; Acts 5:3-4; 2 Cor. 13:14; 1 Peter 1:2).

Islam: The one true God is a being called Allah. He is a distant god, unknowable and unapproachable. He does not love all people, only those who do well. He is the author of evil as well as good since he predestines all things. He is not a triune god.

JESUS

Christianity: He is the virgin-born Son of God, conceived by the Holy Spirit (Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:13-23; Luke 1:35). He is the eternal God, the Creator, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and Holy Spirit (John 1:1-14; Col. 1:15-20; Phil. 2:5-11; Heb. 1:1-13). Jesus died for our sins (1 Cor. 15:3), rose physically from the dead (Matt. 12:38-40; Rom. 1:4; 1 Cor. 15:4-8; 1 Peter 1:18-21) and is coming back physically and visibly one day (Matt. 24:29-31; John 14:3; Titus 2:13; Rev. 19:11-14).

Islam: He is one of God's prophets or messengers, but inferior to Muhammad, who brought Allah's final revelations to man. The Koran denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and any Muslim who believes in the deity of Jesus has committed "the one unforgivable sin" called shirk -- a sin that will send that person to hell. Muslims do believe Jesus is the Messiah; was born of a virgin; lived a sinless life; and is coming back one day to establish Islam throughout the earth. They do not believe He died on the cross, but was called to heaven by Allah.

SALVATION

Christianity: Christ's death at Calvary completely paid our sin debt so that salvation comes by grace alone through faith in the person and work of Jesus (John 3:16, 5:24; Rom. 4:4-5; 1 Cor. 15:1-4; Eph. 2:8-9; Titus 3:5; 1 John 1:7).

Islam: The Koran teaches, "The true religion with God is Islam." This means salvation is achieved only through submission to the teachings of Islam. Forgiveness is based on good works and Allah's choice of mercy. The Muslim's chances for heaven are good if he 1) accepts the Muslim god Allah and his apostle Mohammad; 2) does good works and all that is required of him by Allah; and 3) is predestined to Allah's favor.

THE BIBLE

Christianity: The Bible is the inerrant, infallible, inspired Word of God, and is His sole written authority for all people (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21).

Islam: Corrupted and untrustworthy. Islam claims the Koran is the literal Word of God, received supernaturally by Muhammad from the angel Gabriel. It supersedes the Bible, which also was given by Allah.

More.....

7 posted on 11/13/2003 8:02:31 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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>When an imam somewhere issues a fatwa, which is a sort of formal opinion on a subject, it is not binding.

Charlie lets review the text of these lovely fatwahs. Perhaps you could translate the Friday sermons at some of the major mosques and tell us that "O God kill the Jews, Christians and infidels" really means "Please pass the mint sauce with that lamb."

8 posted on 11/13/2003 8:04:36 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: stainlessbanner
Its clear this guy doesnt get out much. I would invite him to visit nearly any ME country and ask those of the 'oldest christian' communities how life is. Better yet he should spend a few months living w/ them.
9 posted on 11/13/2003 8:05:08 AM PST by 556x45
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To: stainlessbanner
"silly anti-Muslim propaganda"

Don't need much propaganda, just quotes from Islam's source documents.
10 posted on 11/13/2003 8:05:13 AM PST by bereanway
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11 posted on 11/13/2003 8:05:20 AM PST by keithtoo
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To: stainlessbanner
" a Muslim is commanded to treat Jews and Christians "as I would treat myself," in the words of a Hamas leader. "

Yeah, right! I believe this statement is fact.

It's Hamas (and 99.9% of other muslimes) that like to send their children, men and women out to BLOW THEMSELVES UP while KILLING JEWS and CHRISTIANS. So in effect, muslimes ARE treating others how they treat themselves.

Give me an effing break!

12 posted on 11/13/2003 8:05:35 AM PST by Roughneck (9 out of 10 Terrorists prefer Democrats, the rest prefer Saddam Hussein)
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To: stainlessbanner
Most of the disputes in the Middle East are secular and political. Hamas' quarrel with Israelis is not about the fact that they are Jews but about the fact that they occupy Palestine.

People don't do suicide bombings from secular, political motivations. They do it because they think they'll go to heaven.

Racism is a monstrous injustice because it imposes a stereotype on millions of innocent individuals.

Yeah, so what? Islam is a voluntarily-selected religion, not an ethnicity.

13 posted on 11/13/2003 8:07:01 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: stainlessbanner
I'm sure there are plenty of nice Muslim people. I know a few myself. From my (admittedly limited) study of the Koran, I don't believe Islam is a true religion, but almost a "bastardization" of Judaism and Christianity. That's not to say that there are not good Muslisms.

However, Islam is infected with a serious virus at the moment. Radical Muslim fundamentalists represent a much bigger percentage of Muslisms as a whole than radical fundamentalists of any major religion.

It would be tough finding a Chrisitan who thinks slavery is o.k., but not so tough finding a Muslim who thinks all the world should be Muslism.
14 posted on 11/13/2003 8:07:06 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: stainlessbanner
Muslims are nice to your face, and the minute you turn your back, they would kill you if they could get away with it.
15 posted on 11/13/2003 8:07:13 AM PST by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: stainlessbanner
Islam is not a religion with a hierarchy such as the Roman Catholic Church.

Except for those nifty theocratic governments with that delightful sharia law.

16 posted on 11/13/2003 8:07:35 AM PST by agrace
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To: stainlessbanner
a Muslim is commanded to treat Jews and Christians "as I would treat myself," in the words of a Hamas leader

Oh really?? Maybe Charles should read the hamas charter to verify this claim...

Hamas Charter

Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.

For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave, so much so that it will need all the loyal efforts we can wield, to be followed by further steps and reinforced by successive battalions from the multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allah's victory prevails.

When the Faith wanes, there is no security
There is no this-worldliness for those who have no faith
Those who wish to live their life without religion
Have made annihilation the equivalent of life.

The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree

Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur'an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.

waging Jihad against the enemy and confronting him when he sets foot on the land of the Muslims. And this becomes an individual duty binding on every Muslim man and woman; a woman must go out and fight the enemy

peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement.

There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad.

the Palestinian, the Arab and the Islamic. Each one of these circles has a role to play in the struggle against Zionism

Jihad becomes a duty binding on all Muslims We must spread the spirit of Jihad among the [Islamic] Umma, clash with the enemies and join the ranks of the Jihad fighters.  I indeed wish to go to war for the sake of Allah! I will assault and kill, assault and kill, assault and kill

The Muslim women have a no lesser role than that of men in the war of liberation; they manufacture men, educating their sons to observe the religious injunctions in preparation for the duty of Jihad.

various Zionist Organizations which take on all sorts of names and shapes such as: the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, gangs of spies and the like.  Islam…will wipe out those organizations which are the enemy of humanity and Islam.  the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, Lions Clubs, B'nai B'rith and the like. All of them are destructive spying organizations

Safety and security can only prevail under the shadow of Islam

Leaving the circle of conflict with Israel is a major act of treason and it will bring curse on its perpetrators. We have no escape from pooling together all the forces and energies to face this despicable Nazi-Tatar invasion

Within the circle of the conflict with world Zionism, the Hamas regards itself the spearhead, but more steps need to be taken by the Arab and Islamic peoples and Islamic associations throughout the Arab and Islamic world in order to make possible the next round with the Jews.  We have cast among them enmity and hatred till the day of Resurrection

This, for the purpose of calling upon the Arab and Islamic peoples as well as their governments, popular and official associations, to fear Allah in their attitude towards and dealings with Hamas, and to be, in accordance with Allah's will, its supporters and partisans who extend assistance to it and provide it with reinforcement after reinforcement, until the Decree of Allah is fulfilled, the ranks are over-swollen, Jihad fighters join other Jihad fighters, and all this accumulation sets out from everywhere in the Islamic world, obeying the call of duty, and intoning "Come on, join Jihad!"

only the true faith of Islam can vanquish their false and falsified faith. 

Hamas will only be of help to all associations and organizations which act against the Zionist enemy and those who revolve in its orbit.

 

 

17 posted on 11/13/2003 8:07:39 AM PST by bird4four4
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To: stainlessbanner
I was going to suggest that Reese should get to know some Right Wing Christians so he can disabuse himself of some of his prejudices, but I couldn't resist this corker.

But even the most strict -- commonly called fundamentalists these days -- know that a Muslim is commanded to treat Jews and Christians "as I would treat myself," in the words of a Hamas leader.

Reese, HAMAS PEOPLE BLOW THEMSELVES UP!!! And that is how they treat Christians and Jews.

For goodness sake, if you want us to learn to love Muslims, DON'T QUOTE TERRORIST ONES!

How stupid can you get.

Shalom.

18 posted on 11/13/2003 8:08:24 AM PST by ArGee (Would human clones work better than computers? Both would be man-made.)
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To: stainlessbanner
From another Freeper on a thread back in March 2003.


As for your questioning of my reading the Koran, here's some nuggets I've pulled out from my reading that lead me to believe that your "religion" is little more than an excuse to commit murder and subjugate those who have a different faith:

"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)

"Ye are the best of peoples evolved for mankind." (Koran 3:110)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)

"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)

"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them [infidels]" (Koran 8:65).

Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)

"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)

Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).

"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)

"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).

"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)

"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)

"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)

"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)

"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)

"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)

You can continue to hope that Americans are too lazy to read your holy screed (assuming it's "Just like the Bible") and addicted to the farce of multiculturalism to wake up and see you for what you are, but your co-religionists are working at a cross purpose. Each time a muslim draws inspiration from allah and kills as many infidels as he can, more civilized people realize that islam is a religion of hatred and violence.


19 posted on 11/13/2003 8:09:17 AM PST by Calamari
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To: stainlessbanner
Sure, most Muslims are good people. I have known many myself. During my 8 college years, the large majority of my friends were Muslim. I only knew one "crazy" one, and he was a Palestinian. He was the least religious of them all (Quite secular in fact, party animal, had lots of chicks, many guys envied him), and just hated Israel and most Jews.

But the fact is, some 10% of them do agree with the crazy Jihadists. Thats only 10%, but that means some 100 million worldwide! Thats enough for me to be worried about..

20 posted on 11/13/2003 8:09:30 AM PST by Paradox (I dont believe in taglines, in fact, this tagline does not exist.)
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