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Knoppix Linux penetrates Windows security. I used it to rescue/recover from Windows crash
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Posted on 11/18/2003 5:26:20 AM PST by dennisw

Knoppix Linux penetrates Windows security. Great tool to rescue/recover from Windows crash

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Computer First Aid Using Knoppix

By Cedric Shock and Susan Sullivan

These instructions were written using Knoppix version 3.2. It can be downloaded from http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html. This document is also available online at http://www.shockfamily.net/cedric/knoppix/.

Preface: Don't Panic

Windows just crashed. The computer won't boot back up. Those "System Recovery Disks" that came with your computer will erase all of your data. In most cases, when Windows breaks and will not start up again, none of your data has been lost, you just don't have a way to get to it. These instructions are a way of getting to your data when Windows won't work. If these instructions fail to recover your data, don't panic; even in cases of physically damaged drives, reformatted drives, and accidentally deleted files, professional data recovery companies typically have a 95 to 98% success rate.

I can not provide complete step by step for all of the methods covered because they depend on your computer's setup, so in place may need to know a little about your own computer. For this reason, it might be helpful to find the manuals, documentation, and disks that came with your computer, any documentation provided by your internet service provider or information about your network. These are certainly not required, but may be helpful.

Part 1: Starting Knoppix

Put the Knoppix CD in the CD drive of the computer you need to get data out of. If you have a zip drive or other removable disk drive, put a disk in the drive. Turn the computer on. Some computers will start the CD automatically, while others will act like it isn't there. If the CD boots just by putting it in your computer and turning the computer on, great. You can skip the next paragraph.

If Knoppix does not start when the computer is turned on, first try restarting the computer. If that does not work, try pressing Del, ESC, F1, or F2. One of these keys should bring up either a menu from which you can select to boot from a CD, or the BIOS configuration. In the latter case, you will need to find the "Boot Order" in the bios configuration and make the CD drive first. The documentation that came with your computer should be helpful in finding this setting.

You will see a screen that says:

KNOPPIX 3.2  ...
F2 for help
boot:
Press Enter.

Knoppix will spend a little while detecting all of your hardware and starting up. This will take about 5 minutes. Don't panic, it is working, even if it seems like it has stalled. If you have a new computer, it certainly shouldn't take longer than 15 minutes. If it does, you may want to start over.

Part 2: Finding Your Data (Relaxing)

Once Knoppix starts you will be presented with a window that looks kind of like a web browser. There is a button with an X in the upper right hand corner of this window. Click on it; the window will close. Your screen should now look something like this:

There will be a series of icons down the left side of the screen. The ones labeled "Hard Disk Partition" are the hard drives in your computer. If you can, find one labeled "Hard Disk Partition [hda1]" or "[sda1]". If you can't, just pick the top one. This is probably the drive that is called "C:" in windows. Click on this icon. This will bring up a window that looks similar to the Windows Explorer File Manager. This window will have a directory tree view on the left, and an icon view on the right. If the drive you found is your C drive, the icon view on the right will have some icons called things like "Program Files", "winnt", "windows", "My Documents", "recycled", "Documents and Settings", etc. If you are disappointed by what is on this drive, or you get an error message, close the window and try another one.

Once you have figured out which drive is which, or at least which one is your "C:" drive or other drive that you want to get data off of, go onto the next section, which is about rescuing your data.

Tips on Finding Files

The "My Documents" folder is typically found in one of the following places:
Windows 2000, XP: Documents and Settings/your username/My Documents/
Windows 2000: Documents and Settings/Administrator/My Documents/
Windows XP: Documents and Settings/Owner/My Documents/
Windows NT: winnt/Profiles/your username/My Documents/
Windows NT: winnt/Profiles/Administrator/My Documents/
Windows 95, 98, ME: My Documents/

The Desktop is typically found in one of the following places:
Windows 2000, XP: Documents and Settings/your username/Desktop/
Windows 2000: Documents and Settings/Administrator/Desktop/
Windows XP: Documents and Settings/Owner/Desktop/
Windows NT: winnt/Profiles/your username/Desktop/
Windows NT: winnt/Profiles/Administrator/Desktop/
Windows 95, 98, ME: windows/Desktop/

Part 3: Rescuing Your Data

There are a number of options in this section which you can use to rescue your data.

  1. Floppy Disk: This requires that you have a floppy disk drive and that the files you are trying to save are small.
  2. Zip Disk or Other Removable Disk: This requires that you have a zip drive or other removable disk drive.
  3. CDROM: Burning files to a CD requires that you have two CD drives. You must have the CD drive that Knoppix was booted from and another CD drive that can write CDs.
  4. E-mail: You need a working internet connection through a local area network.
  5. Windows Networking: You need a working connection to a local area network, and another computer on the network with a shared folder that you can copy files to.
  6. Another Hard Drive or Partition: You need another hard drive installed, or another hard drive partition on which to rescue your data.

3.1: Floppy Disk

Floppy disks are prone to failure. Do not use them for anything other than transferring files between computers.

To recover data onto a floppy disk you need to have a floppy disk drive and a blank, formatted floppy disk. Put the disk in the drive.

Click on the "Floppy disk" icon on the desktop. This will open another file-manager type window for the floppy disk.

Go back to the window where you found your data you wish to recover. Select the files. Right click on them and select copy. Go back to the window for the floppy disk. Right click in the big area on the right and select paste.

3.2: Zip Disk or Other Removable Disk

You need a Zip Drive or some other removable disk drive and a disk to use this method of data recovery. Put the disk in the drive.

On the desktop there will be an icon labeled something like "Hard Disk Partition [hdc4]", "[hdd4]", "[sdc4]", or "[sdd4]" that corresponds to your Zip Drive. Click on it. It should open a window in which you can see the contents of the removable disk.

Go back to the window where you found your data you wish to recover. Select the files. Right click on them and select copy. Go back to the window opened for the removable disk. Right click in the big area on the right and select paste.

If you can not write to the removable disk:

You might get a message that is like "Could not write to /mnt/hdc4". In this case you will need to change the properties for the removable drive.

Close the window for the removable disk. Right click on the removable drive on the desktop. This will bring up a little menu. Select "Unmount", which is about the 5th item from the bottom of the list.

Right click on the removable drive on the desktop. This will bring up the little menu again. Select the last item in the menu, "Properties". This will open a window with four tabs. Select the third tab, "Device". There is a checkbox labeled "Read only". Make sure it is unchecked, and click on Ok. See Appendix C for a picture.

Click on the removable drive icon. This will open the explorer type window again. This time you should be able to write to the disk.

If you can not remove the disk

Close the window for the removable disk. Right click on the removable drive on the desktop. This will bring up a little menu. Select "Unmount", which is about the 5th item from the bottom of the list. Try ejecting the disk again.

Further problems

If your removable disk drive just won't work, try restarting Knoppix with a disk in the drive. Some disk drives have issues with being empty on bootup.

3.3: CDROM

Burning files to a CD requires that you have two CD drives. You must have the CD drive that Knoppix was booted from and another CD drive that can write CDs.

This requires one challenging step before we can begin. Click on the K button in the lower left hand corner of the screen. This will bring up a menu like the Windows Start Menu. Enter the "KNOPPIX" submenu and select "Root Shell". This will open a window with a light blue prompt that reads something like

root@ttyp0[/]#
Type "passwd" and press enter. Enter a new password twice. Close this window.

Click on the K button in the lower left hand corner of the screen. This will bring up a menu like the Windows Start Menu. Enter the "System" submenu and select "alt K3b".

You will need to set up the CD burning software before you can use it. In the K3b "Settings" menu select "K3b Setup", the last entry. You will be asked to enter the password you entered earlier. Press Ok. I can't see the bottom of this setup wizard on my screen. Press Enter or "Next" 4 times. In step 5, press the "Add User..." button. Type "knoppix" and press "Ok". Press Enter or "Next". Getting past the last screen can be hard if your screen isn't big enough. We need to push the "Finish" button. I succeeded by moving my mouse over the border of the window so that the resize cursor was visible. Then I right clicked and a menu came up. I selected "Move" and moved the window so that the bottom portion of it was visible, then pressed "Finish"

You should be able to use the CD-Writer now.

3.4: E-mail

To rescue data using e-mail you will need a working email account and an internet connection. If you are on a local area network, your internet connection should already be working. If your internet access is through a dial-up service, see Appendix A, Dial-up Networking. If your internet access is through a local area network that was not automatically configured properly, see Appendix B, Local Area Network Configuration.

Web based e-mail access is the easiest way to get email working. Open a Web Browser. You have two choices, alt Konqueror, and alt Mozilla. You can get a free e-mail account to send things through at http://mail.yahoo.com/.

It is also possible to set up alt Mozilla or alt Evolution as an e-mail client if you prefer this, harder route, or if you have files too large to send through web based e-mail.

3.5: Windows Networking

To rescue data using Windows Networking, you need a connection to a local area network, and another computer running on the network, with a shared folder you can write to. If your local area network that was not automatically configured properly, see Appendix B, Local Area Network Configuration.

You will need to know the following information about the other computer:
Workgroup:
Username:
Password:
Computer Name:
Shared Folder:

If the computer is running windows 95, 98, or ME and does not require a password for the shared folder, the username is "guest" and the password is blank.

At this point there are two options for connecting to the computer. The first option is slightly easier, but doesn't always work; try it first. The second option is a little harder, but is rock solid.

Option 1: LinNeighborhood

Click on the K button in the lower left hand corner of the screen. This will bring up a menu like the Windows Start Menu. Enter the "Internet" submenu and select "LinNeighborhood

 

In LinNeighborhood find the "Options" menu and select "Browse entire network..."

Entire Network Browse If your network requires authentication just to see the list of shared folders, select "Browse as user" and enter your network username and password. Click "Ok".

LinNeighborhood should now show a list of workgroups and the computers in them like this:
Knoppik | Workgroup | KNOPPIX
Find the computer you will be copying files to and double click on it. The list should now show the shared folders on that computer. Select the shared folder you will be copying data to. Click on the "Mount" button in the upper left corner of the window.

Mount Dialog You will be presented with a window that looks like this:
Mount Dialog
Enter your username in the box labeled "SMB User:" and your password in the box labeled "SMB Password:". Click "Mount".

Now we need to open the directory that represents the shared folder on the other computer. Click on the Home button at the bottom of the screen. This will open a file manager type window. There should be a folder called "mnt" in the icon view on the right; open it. In this folder, there should be one folder with the name of the computer you connected to; open it. In this folder, there should be one folder with the name of the shared folder you connected to; open it. This directory now represents the shared folder on the other computer.

Go back to the window where you found your data you wish to recover. Select the files. Right click on them and select copy. Go back to the window we just opened for the shared folder. Right click in the big area on the right and select paste.

Option 2: The Command Line

Click on the K button in the lower left hand corner of the screen. This will bring up a menu like the Windows Start Menu. Enter the "KNOPPIX" submenu and select "Root Shell". This will open a window with a light blue prompt that reads something like

root@ttyp0[/]#
Type "cd /mnt/" and press enter. The prompt should now read
root@ttyp0[mnt]#

Type "mkdir /mnt/shared" and press enter. This makes a directory (folder) on this computer that will represent the shared folder on the other computer.
Type, substituting the information garnered above for the parts in magenta:
mount -t smbfs -o uid=knoppix,workgroup=Workgroup,username=Username,password=Password //Computer Name/Shared Folder /mnt/shared
and press enter. This attaches, or "mounts", the other computer's shared folder to the folder we created.
Close this window.

Open a new Konqueror window by clicking on the icon of a house at the bottom of the screen (it is the 4th from the left). In the address bar, after where it reads X> Location: type "file:/mnt/shared/" and press enter. This window is now displaying the shared directory on the other computer.

Go back to the window where you found your data you wish to recover. Select the files. Right click on them and select copy. Go back to the window we just opened for the shared folder. Right click in the big area on the right and select paste.

3.6: Another Hard Drive or Partition

To recover data onto a hard disk, you will need to have either another hard drive or hard drive partition. The hard drive will need to be installed before starting Knoppix. NTFS (Windows 2000 or XP) formatted drives or partitions will not work.

If you are copying data to another partition on the same drive, beware. Reinstalling Windows / using "System Recovery Disks" will probably DELETE your rescued files.

You will need to make the drive or partition writable to be able to copy files to it. Right click on the drive or partition on the desktop. This will bring up a little menu. Select the last item in the menu, "Properties". This will open a window with four tabs. Select the third tab, "Device". There is a checkbox labeled "Read only". Make sure it is unchecked, and click on Ok. See Appendix C for a picture.

Right click on the drive or partition icon again. If there is an item in the menu called "Unmount" select it.

Click on the icon on the desktop for the drive or partition. This will open the explorer type window again.

Go back to the window where you found your data you wish to recover. Select the files. Right click on them and select copy. Go back to the window we just opened for the drive or partition. Right click in the big area on the right and select paste.

Part 4: Knoppix as a Temporary Computer

Knoppix can be used as a temporary operating system. It has support for a wide variety of printers and other hardware. Knoppix has programs for creating and editing documents, spreadsheets, presentations, charts and drawings including those in Microsoft Office formats. It also has powerful image editing software, web browsers, e-mail clients, games, a music player, a planetarium, flowcharting and diagramming, a calculator, a persistent clipboard, and many other programs.

To use Knoppix in place of a broken windows installation, there a few things that you will find convenient. You may wish to be able to write to your hard drive (Appendix C). If you configure a printer (Appendix D) or set up a dial-up internet connection (Appendix A), you may wish to save the configuration (Appendix E). If you start using OpenOffice or a Web Browse, email client, or other program that has personal settings / configuration, you will want to create a persistent home directory (Appendix F).

OpenOffice, a free replacement for Microsoft Office, can be opened using the Open Office button at the bottom of the screen.

You can get on the internet using alt Konqueror or alt Mozilla. Mozilla, alt Evolution, and "Kmail" are all e-mail clients. Konqueror makes a good ftp client; type "ftp://ftp.yourhost.com/" in the address bar. There are more internet programs, such as the Aol IM client "Gaim", in the "K" menu in the submenu "Internet".

In the K menu, try the addictive game "Frozen-Bubble" under "Games", the planetarium "KStars" in "Edutainment", the other "Office" programs, and the "Utilities" "KCalc" and "Klipper". "Klipper" is great if you do a lot of copying and pasting.

"The Gimp" image manipulation program is found in "Multimedia" "Graphics" (Most things in the gimp, like saving files, are done by right-clicking on the image). You can play MP3s and other audio files using "XMMS" found in "Multimedia" "Sound".

Appendix

A: Dial-up Networking

Click on the K button in the lower left corner of the screen. This will bring up a menu like the Windows Start Menu. Enter the "Internet" submenu. Enter the "Connect" submenu. Select "KPPP (Internet Dial-up tool)".

This will open KPPP, a dial-up internet tool.

KPPP Click on "Setup ..."

KPPP Configuration Under the "Accounts" tab click on "New..."

Create New Account Click on "Dialog Setup"

New Account Enter a "Connection Name", it can be anything. Click on the "Add..." button.

Add Phone Number Enter the phone number for your internet provider; click "Ok".

New Account Click ok.

KPPP Configuration Click on the "Device" tab. Select "Modem Device:" according to the following list:

Windows Device Select:
COM 1 /dev/ttyS0
COM 2 /dev/ttyS1
COM 3 /dev/ttyS2
COM 4 /dev/ttyS3
Other Internal Modem
(Rarely Works)
/dev/modem


Click on "Ok".

KPPP Enter your "Login ID" (username) and "Password" and click "Connect".

B: Local Area Network Configuration

This section covers local area networking configuration when the network is not started automatically. This is mostly for networks with static IP address assignment, typically old networks of Windows 95, 98, NT, and ME computers.

Click on the K button in the lower left corner of the screen. This will bring up a menu like the Windows Start Menu. Enter the "KNOPPIX" submenu. Enter the "Network/Internet" submenu. Select "Network card configuration".

This will open a series of dialog boxes that will request information about the network. There may be a screen asking with network card to configure; if so select one. The next screen will ask if the network settings should be configured through DHCP; click no unless your network has automatic configuration, and it failed to work the first time for a reason such as a disconnected cable. After you click no, it will ask you for an IP address. This and the subsequent settings rely on your network configuration, so I can't tell you what to do here.

C: Making a drive writable

You can not make an NTFS formatted drive writable (sometimes used for Windows NT, 2000, XP).

Close all windows and programs using files from the drive, or showing directory listings of the drive.

Right click on the drive icon on the desktop, and select "Properties". This will open a little window. Select the "Device" tab. There is a checkbox labeled "Read only". Make sure it is unchecked, and click on Ok.

D: Printer Configuration

Click on the K button in the lower left corner of the screen. This will bring up a menu like the Windows Start Menu. Enter the "KNOPPIX" submenu. Enter the "Configure" submenu. Select "Configure printer(s)".

This will open a window called "Printing Manager". Near the top left corner of the window there is a button labeled "Add" with a little black arrow pointing down on it. Click on it. This brings up a small menu; select "Add Printer/Class".

Introduction Click "Next>".

Backend Selection Select "Local printer (parallel, serial, USB)". Click "Next>".

Local Port Selection This screen will show a list of all the ports on your computer, and any automatically detected printers. If the printer was detected automatically, select it and click "Next>". If it wasn't, select the port it is connected to and click "Next>".

Printer Model Selection Select your printer's manufacturer from the list on the left. Then select the model from the list on the right. Click "Next>".

Driver Selection Select a driver for your printer. I prefer the ones that say "CUPS" or "gimp-print". Click "Next>".

Printer Test If you wish, you can test your printer at this point. Click "Next>".

Banner Selection Click "Next>".

Printer Quota Settings Click "Next>".

User Access Settings Click "Next>".

General Information Enter a name for the printer. It can be anything. Click "Next>".

Confirmation Click "Finish".

Close the "Printing Manager" window. Your printer is now set up. If you want to save your configuration, see Appendix E.

E: Saving Configuration

Saving configuration requires a floppy disk or a non-NTFS formatted drive.

Click on the K button in the lower left corner of the screen. This will bring up a menu like the Windows Start Menu. Enter the "KNOPPIX" submenu. Enter the "Configure" submenu. Select "Save KNOPPIX configuration".

This will bring up a little window asking what to save. Click "OK".

The next window will ask where to save the configuration. I suggest the floppy drive. Click "Ok".

To load the configuration the next time you run Knoppix, put the floppy disk in the drive once the "boot:" prompt appears. Instead of pressing enter, type "knoppix myconfig=scan" and press enter.

F: Persistent Home

Making a persistent home directory requires a non-NTFS formatted drive.

Click on the K button in the lower left corner of the screen. This will bring up a menu like the Windows Start Menu. Enter the "KNOPPIX" submenu. Enter the "Configure" submenu. Select "Create a persistent KNOPPIX home directory".

This will bring up a window with a lot of text. Click "OK".

The next window will ask where to save the configuration. Select a drive and click "Ok".

Click "No". Do NOT use the entire partition.

The next screen asks for a size in megabytes for the persistent home directory. 30 is good. Click "Ok".

Click "No". We don't need encryption.

The next time you run Knoppix, put the floppy disk in the drive once the "boot:" prompt appears. Instead of pressing enter, type "knoppix home=scan" and press enter. If you want to use both a persistent home directory and a saved configuration, type "knoppix home=scan myconfig=scan" and press enter.  

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Best download site for Knoppix Linux --->>>

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I downloaded from there and got a clean copy of Knoppix. Used the instructions for using KNOPPIX to burn to CD the info/files you need to rescue. My next step is to reinstall the XP windows to the partition and restore the files to it. XP crashed on me and found no other way than to lift the files and reinstall. I was not permitted to drag and drop onto another hard drive. Could not boot into safe mode or system restore.

Knoppix burns onto one CD and operates off this CD. You do not install it on your hard drive or computer. You put Knoppix in one CD player and use a CD burner (USB is nice!) to lift the important files

1 posted on 11/18/2003 5:26:20 AM PST by dennisw
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2 posted on 11/18/2003 5:29:46 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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I've not had Windows 2000 Pro/Server or Windows XP ever crash on me unless it was hardware related, thus would have caused any Linux (Suckix) OS to have problems too. Of course, there's always:


3 posted on 11/18/2003 5:29:48 AM PST by xrp
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And this is "Front Page News" because...???
4 posted on 11/18/2003 5:37:59 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman.)
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To: dennisw
I've used Knoppix to recover data from a windows drive. Works great
5 posted on 11/18/2003 5:41:14 AM PST by AppyPappy (Pittsburgh beat Virginia Tech 31-28. Panthers rule!!".)
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I used Knoppix last week to copy the data from a hosed NT4 laptop to a network drive, where I burned it to CD. Saved my butt.
6 posted on 11/18/2003 5:41:35 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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reference bump
7 posted on 11/18/2003 5:43:24 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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I've used Knoppix quite a bit to recover files on hard drives that weren't otherwise usable. Also, a lot of computers at work still use Windows 95, which has very limited USB support. If you boot with Knoppix, you can transfer large files from a USB flash drive onto the hard drive fairly easily, then install them after rebooting Windows.

The best part is, if you leave drives unmounted, there's virutally no way to mess anything up.
8 posted on 11/18/2003 5:49:13 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (Why do I carry a .45? Because they don't make a .46!)
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I carry around a CD of Knoppix 3.3 in my (linux) laptop case due to the fact that I administer a windows network of about 120 machines.

Works great.

9 posted on 11/18/2003 5:49:49 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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reference bump
10 posted on 11/18/2003 5:52:56 AM PST by TomSmedley ((technical writer looking for work!))
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To: dennisw
I was able to use Slackware in a similar manner to recover information from a Win2k drive.

This system has two drives. Linux lives on hdb and Win2k is on hda. LILO is on hda's boot sector. While I was setting this up, I fouled up somewhere and hda was unbootable. Getting Linux off the ground using the CD-ROM let me access hda to recover the disk's entire contents. Everything's copied to /tmp. (Yes, it was overkill to copy absolutely everything, but I had disk space to spare on the new drive.) Once the data was safely tucked away on hdb, I refomatted hda and reinstalled Win2k. Now I have all of my data and a dual boot system. (Though I almost never use Windows. : )

11 posted on 11/18/2003 5:55:11 AM PST by Redcloak (Is this thing on?)
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I've had a lot more success using linux to fix major Windows problems than I've ever had using Windows-based approaches themselves. But it's always been either via dual boot or a LAN. Using the stand-alone Knoppix bootable CD is a great extention to the toolbox. Thanks for the idea.
12 posted on 11/18/2003 6:11:32 AM PST by LTCJ (Just don't tell anyone that lives within a 30 mile radius of me that I know how to do this!)
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Several others have told their story, so I'll tell mine:

A friend's WinXP laptop crashed in the middle of installing SP1 for WinXP, rendering it unbootable. As the article notes, the "System Recovery Disk" supplied by some OEMs is really a "System Initialization Disk". So, I had to get the data off the hard drive first.

I used Knoppix to transfer the contents of the "Documents and Settings" folder to another system via the network. Fortunately, I never had to use the backup data: I was able to scrounge up a OEM version of Windows XP (with SP1) that allowed me to reinstall it without wiping out the system.

13 posted on 11/18/2003 6:37:31 AM PST by justlurking
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bump for further reading
14 posted on 11/18/2003 6:40:28 AM PST by egarvue (Martin Sheen is not my president...)
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The OS you use doesn't really matter. The fact that you can boot it (fully functional) from a CD is the what makes this a good technique.

Windows hasn't been able to do this for 10 years.

I haven't used unix for a while but I may get make a CD and boot it up to check it out.

15 posted on 11/18/2003 6:43:23 AM PST by ProudGOP
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bump
16 posted on 11/18/2003 6:53:25 AM PST by RippleFire
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Thanks bump.
17 posted on 11/18/2003 6:54:15 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: xrp
Friend of mine has an IBM T23 with Windows XP. He allowed the XP update utility to go off to Redmond to "update" his system.

We had a power failure and lost the network, and in a panic he shut off his computer.

From then on, his disk was unreadable by any Microsoft machine -- his machine wouldn't boot, another IDENTICAL XP laptop wouldn't even recognize it (Microsoft licensing on XP strikes again).

Of course, the disk was readable from the ultrabay on my IBM T21 laptop running RedHat 8 so Linux was able to rescue his files. I haven't heard of knoppix before but it sounds like it might have been able to fix whatever happened to his machine...

Just this weekend I used Linux which I squirreled away in a separate partition on my kids game machine running Windows ME to overcome a parasite infestation which came in over Active-X (of course, MOZILLA isn't affected). It created files which were invisible withing Windows ME, of course, not within LINUX so I was able to delete them.

Linux is pretty damn useful in repair Windows slop...

18 posted on 11/18/2003 6:57:44 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: dennisw
Here's another Knoppix "HOWTO" ...

System recovery with Knoppix <-- Link

19 posted on 11/18/2003 7:07:52 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: dennisw
Wooohooo! Thanks for the info; I bookmarked the thread : )
20 posted on 11/18/2003 7:10:40 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (My eyes are blind but I can see....Ozzy)
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To: dennisw
bump
21 posted on 11/18/2003 7:11:24 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: AppyPappy
I've used Knoppix to recover data from a windows drive. Works great

My normal procedure would have been to drag and drop the files I wanted to keep. Then re-install Windows, XP in this case. This crashed XP (registry problem) was on the NTFS files system. Even when this hosed XP drive was made a slave, I could not drag (from the XP administrator folder) and drop files I wanted to keep. I tried to drag and drop onto another XP/NTFS computer and could not do. I was denied permission to do this. Why, I don't know. 

So XP/NTFS security prevented me from drag and drop recovery. But Knoppix penetrated XP security with no sweat.
This also means a thief can penetrate some "secure" computers if he has a Knoppix CD and a USB CD-burner. Or floppy discs can be used to lift vital data, you can also email a file via attachment on yahoo e-mail.

Even without copying and stealing files, someone can uses Knoppix to enter a computer and jot down notes of what's inside. Knoppix makes all files visible on many systems. It made all my XP files visible including the blocked ones in the administrator folder

22 posted on 11/18/2003 7:19:38 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: dennisw
Knoppix is an awesome distro. I've been playing with it the last couple of weeks off and on to familiarize myself with it in case any of my boxes go south on me. It's also a great worry-free way to introduce folks to linux.

I also see that you've already gotten your first anti-linux flame pretty fast! Congratulations!

23 posted on 11/18/2003 7:41:18 AM PST by zeugma (If you eat a live toad first thing in the morning, nothing worse will happen all day.)
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To: ProudGOP
I haven't used unix for a while but I may get make a CD and boot it up to check it out.

I highly reccommend it. Knoppix is a pain-free way of getting your feet wet with unix. It's a part of my standard toolkit now. I was pretty suprised at the fact that it booted up just fine on my dell laptop at work and recognised everything from the usb and sound to the power management functions. Altogether, it's an excellent tool.

24 posted on 11/18/2003 7:46:01 AM PST by zeugma (If you eat a live toad first thing in the morning, nothing worse will happen all day.)
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To: dennisw
Penetrates Windows security?!? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one. Now try turning on NTFS Encryption. Game over.
25 posted on 11/18/2003 7:56:18 AM PST by Bush2000
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To: ibheath
Reference bump
26 posted on 11/18/2003 8:11:17 AM PST by ibheath (Born-again and grateful to God for it.)
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To: dennisw
I have Knoppix, Puppy linux, and DSL (Damn Small Linux) all on CD's, my older machine fails to boot off of my CDroms, I have set the bios to boot from and ISO bootable floppy but it only works sometimes. I think I have a bad copy of the ISO file or I am burning the ISO file incorrectly, any ideas how I could get it to work better??
27 posted on 11/18/2003 8:20:47 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: dennisw
Those "System Recovery Disks" that came with your computer will erase all of your data.

Really?  Is that what they do? 

I must have used them wrong because they didn't erase any of my data.

 

What a crock....these two authors should have their butts kicked.

I like the fact that there are alternatives to Windows and that there are people out there willing to help others with their problems....for free.

But it's so annoying to see people lie, and in some cases, watch them give advice that creates as many problems as it solves.

28 posted on 11/18/2003 8:22:29 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: MD_Willington_1976
I think I have a bad copy of the ISO file or I am burning the ISO file incorrectly, any ideas how I could get it to work better??

I always download the checksum at the same time, into the same folder, as the main download. This way I don't lose it. I use Ipswich FTP to do downloads from FTP sites since it can resume a disrupted download. You have to run the checksum on the download to verify it. Here are some Windows checksum programs. This Advanced CheckSum Verifier seems good. The one I used is on my home computer so I'm not sure what it was called. I downloaded Knoppix from some other sources and got bad stuff. Try the chemnitz.de ftp   I mention at top of post. I downloaded 3 Red Hat discs and Knoppix and they were all 100% Kosher. They work OK and the checksums verified the downloads

Good Knoppix (and other Linux) download site---> ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/

Knoppix is burned direct to CD. I used Nero because the Knoppix/Nero instructions are on the internet. Basically you bypass the Nero intro and go to the option where you burn an image. Also, if your download is good Nero will recognize it as an image file. If not a good download it will not recognize it as an image file.  The downloaded ISO image is burned direct to your new Knoppix CD. It is definitely bootable.

This Advanced CheckSum Verifier seems good.

29 posted on 11/18/2003 8:49:55 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
All you have to do is boot with the XP cd-rom and do a repair (basically a re-install onto the same partition). Fixes all problems and doesn't erase personal data in the process.
30 posted on 11/18/2003 8:55:13 AM PST by Keeper of the Turf (Fore!!!)
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To: dennisw
The site: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
states Closed because of ”Software-Patents".

It looks like I am too late.


31 posted on 11/18/2003 9:40:15 AM PST by RJL
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To: RJL
Best download site for Knoppix Linux --->>>

ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/


I downloaded from there and got a clean copy of Knoppix.

32 posted on 11/18/2003 9:43:29 AM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: RJL
I just downloaded it successfully from the ftp site. Of couse, I mistakenly downloaded the version that was posted on 11-3, but when I tried to download the latest version posted on 11-14, I got an error saying I cannot connect to server.
33 posted on 11/18/2003 9:46:38 AM PST by Keeper of the Turf (Fore!!!)
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To: Keeper of the Turf
Now it's working.
34 posted on 11/18/2003 9:47:45 AM PST by Keeper of the Turf (Fore!!!)
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To: Bush2000
Good one. Now try turning on NTFS Encryption. Game over.

Except that in Micro$oft's infinite wisdom; such a security measure is not activated by default, and how many of Bill's users actually turn it on? Hmmmmm?

So for all intenets and purposes; it does by-pass winders security.

35 posted on 11/18/2003 10:26:19 AM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: dennisw
I have WS_FTP LE and for the life of me I cannot connect

Profile = anonymous
host address = ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/knoppix/
host type = auto detect
user id = anonymous
password = blank
account = blank
comment = blank
36 posted on 11/18/2003 11:25:20 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: dennisw
bump to read later
37 posted on 11/18/2003 11:40:47 AM PST by Louisiana
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To: Lunatic Fringe
And this is "Front Page News" because...???

Well, at least for us techies...this IS front page news. I have not tried this to in order to recover from a really bad Windows crash, but if this works as its described...its a big deal.

38 posted on 11/18/2003 11:49:42 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I must have used them wrong because they didn't erase any of my data.

Then you have an enlightened computer manufacturer.

Specifically, Sony's system "recovery" disk for their VAIO laptops will completely erase the C: drive (but apparently preserve the D: drive), installing a new copy of Windows XP and the applications included by Sony.

What a crock....these two authors should have their butts kicked.

As it turns out, they were partially right. You have provided an contrary example. But, the inverse is also true: there are system "recovery" disks that do erase user data. So, should you be subjected to the same penalty?

In all fairness, a retail or OEM copy of Windows XP is all you may need to avoid the erasure. It's how I did it. The Product Key is unique to your installation, but the WinXP distribution disk is apparently not unique. I was able to use an OEM disk for another computer, and enter the Product Key from the certificate of authenticity (COA) on the bottom of my friend's Sony laptop.

39 posted on 11/18/2003 12:05:36 PM PST by justlurking
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To: Keeper of the Turf
All you have to do is boot with the XP cd-rom and do a repair (basically a re-install onto the same partition). Fixes all problems and doesn't erase personal data in the process.

If you have a true Windows XP distribution CD-ROM, that's true. However, as I have pointed out in a couple of other postings, the "System Recovery Disk" supplied by some manufacturers do not offer this option -- it's all or nothing.

It's stupid, but it's reality. After experiencing the problem with a friend's Sony VAIO computer, I bought an extra copy of WinXP for my own Sony VAIO, so I don't find myself in the same situation. I'll never buy another Sony VAIO laptop, or any other computer that doesn't provide a true Windows OEM distribution CD-ROM.

40 posted on 11/18/2003 12:10:27 PM PST by justlurking
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To: MD_Willington_1976
Why not click on this   ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/knoppix/    and try the FTP function of Internet Explorer? Only drawback is it cannot resume a broken download and may be slower than real FTP like Ipswich. The Windows "details" view makes it easiest to see what the full name of the 20+ downloads are.

 

Download this latest greatest Knoppix version:

KNOPPIX_V3.3-2003-11-14-EN.iso

 

___________________________________________

 

Below are the downloads for checksums for the above specific download dated 11-14-2003

KNOPPIX_V3.3-2003-11-14-EN.iso.md5

KNOPPIX_V3.3-2003-11-14-EN.iso.md5.asc

checksum for this = e0767b4ffd218d09400627fbccc2d094

41 posted on 11/18/2003 1:26:56 PM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: justlurking
It's stupid, but it's reality. After experiencing the problem with a friend's Sony VAIO computer, I bought an extra copy of WinXP for my own Sony VAIO, so I don't find myself in the same situation. I'll never buy another Sony VAIO laptop, or any other computer that doesn't provide a true Windows OEM distribution CD-ROM.

I'm pretty sure Sony pays less for this less functional version of XP. I believe I encountered this with a neighbor's Dell computer with XP home edition. I tried to do an XP repair (semi-reinstall) for her where files and folders are left intact. Only the XP operating system is reinstalled. Could not do it.

 I have this option, with my stand alone XP pro disk and my home built computer

42 posted on 11/18/2003 1:34:27 PM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: All
Two words:

Tape backup

=)
43 posted on 11/19/2003 3:47:06 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman.)
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To: chilepepper
Linux is pretty damn useful in repair Windows slop...

A few years ago I worked around a lot of non-techies. You'd be surprised how many times a certain floppy was used to fix one thing or another - it was a linux boot floppy that could read/check partitions, as well reset windows passwords (NT and 2000, and the newest versions are XP compatible). A lot of people forget their passwords somehow. They are quite surprised when a single floppy resets it. There are tons of these floppy/mini-distros floating around now.

Their one saving grace was that most were using IBM Thinkpads and had the harddrive passwords enabled - which as far as I know, are pretty much unbreakable outside of IBM (and there is some debate over whether IBM can/will reset those passwords). I don't think most other laptop manufacturers have as much security as those drives.

The amount of people out there who think setting up a Windows passwords is all the security they need is quite scary, almost as scary as the amount of people who don't even bother, or use the enter key.

44 posted on 11/22/2003 9:40:14 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: dennisw
Excellent article. I am running it right now to extract files from a crashed workstation.

One helpful tip: Knoppix 3.3 (latest version) uses German as the default language. To change this, at the

boot:

prompt, type

knoppix lang=en

However: because the keyboard is mapped to the German language, you need to press shift-0 (zero) for the equal sign.
45 posted on 04/08/2004 8:27:13 AM PDT by clueless idiot
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To: clueless idiot
Thanks... the only way I could extract files was to burn to CD. Which I did. I was hoping I could drag and drop them into a storage partition.... just more convenient.

The way Knoppix penetrated Windows XP security for me>>

#1) I installed my "bad" hard drive (Windows XP) as slave on another computer (Windows XP) . 

But no way would windows XP allow me to drag my vital files (in the administrator folder) over to the master hard drive or a storage partition on the problem hard drive. Windows XP did it's job by preventing this. Great!

#2) But Knoppix allowed my to easily view my vital files and burn to disk. Thus Knoppix can penetrate windows security. Depending on how secure your computer is someone can insert a Knoppix CD and at minimum view, even copy by CD-R or floppy, your secured files

46 posted on 04/08/2004 8:41:26 AM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: dennisw
A malicious user can also copy restricted files from the workstation to a server volume with public r/w access and bypass security in that way.

While I haven't tried it, I suspect XFS-encrypted folders would not be accessible by Knoppix or any other non-MS OS.

Another reminder that best practices demand physical security of any machines with sensitive data (read: most corporate networked workstations).

Still, Knoppix is proving to be a fantastic recovery solution and I recommend anyone responsible for administration of networked Windows machines download and test a copy for themselves.
47 posted on 04/08/2004 8:50:37 AM PDT by clueless idiot
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To: dennisw
Dennis,

Is it practical/feasible to run Knoppix from a cd or dvd drive? I ask because doing so would make it impervious to viruses or operational corruption. Only the current session could be pooched.
48 posted on 04/08/2004 9:05:35 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
Is it practical/feasible to run Knoppix from a cd or dvd drive? I ask because doing so would make it impervious to viruses or operational corruption. Only the current session could be pooched.........

On a fast system it might be. I found it too slow on an 850mhz Duron w 512 mb memory. Just my opinion though. It's a good Linux demo but runing fron CD has it's drawbacks. Knoppix can be installed to a hard drive.
49 posted on 04/08/2004 9:19:23 AM PDT by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: dennisw

I’m gonna bump this thread. What happened was this: I was having trouble with my CD burner, so I pulled it and installed an HP cd burner I had salvaged from somewhere.

The burner already had a disk in it, and when I rebooted my machine, Knoppix 3.6 fired up. I played with it a bit and saved the disk.

Went back and tried it again, darned if that CD booted on just about every machine I have, and seemed to have no hardware problems.

So I went online and downloaded the latest and greatest - Knoppix 5.1

My recommendation:

Get this system!
Now!

It is very, very good, perhaps a bit weak in a few of the applications, but in general, very, very powerful and because you burn it to CD, basically incorruptible. I even got it working with little effort with my wireless card.

If you get/have Windows problems, you can use it to fix windows, but after using Knoppix for a bit, you might not WANT to fix windows...

Very impressive. And it overcomes alot of the user interface problems that other distros are prone to. That means us regular humans can use it, you don’t have to be some kinda Linux geek who lives in a cave, eats bugs, and dreams in C+++++

An added bonus is the IceWeasel web browser which looks alot like Firefox (and even recognizes the Foxmarks bookmark extension, absolutely essential if you are running multiple boxes and multiple OS’s.)


50 posted on 09/26/2007 4:54:18 AM PDT by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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