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Records on gun owners assailed
The Miami Herald ^ | Nov 19, 2003 | Marc Caputo

Posted on 11/19/2003 1:07:51 PM PST by neverdem

TALLAHASSEE - Invoking Adolf Hitler's and Fidel Castro's atrocities, a handful of conservative lawmakers have filed a bill to prohibit police from compiling gun-owner and gun-sale lists, saying it infringes on citizens' rights to privacy and to own firearms.

The proposal, supported by the National Rifle Association, says the records are not legitimate law-enforcement tools and are instead part of ``a phony excuse to harass and abuse American citizens.''

The bill will be heard today in a House judiciary committee alongside two other measures likely to provoke controversy.

One would ''immunize'' gun ranges from environmental lawsuits concerning lead and arsenic poisoning from ammunition. The other seeks to amend the state Constitution's right of privacy to give parents potential authority over an underage daughter's abortion.

If approved by the committee, they could be among the first bills passed by the House in 2004.

Rep. Dennis Baxley, an Ocala Republican, said he's troubled by the idea that police agencies across the state are tracking people who are exercising a right enshrined in the state and U.S. constitutions.

PRIME SPONSOR

Baxley said he's the prime sponsor of the NRA-backed bill limiting the liabilities of the 400 gun ranges in Florida because he wants to prevent ''environmental extremism.'' He's also co-sponsoring the gun-tracking bill with Rep. Lindsay Harrington, R-Punta Gorda.

A government employee who violates the provisions of the gun-tracking bill could face a five-year prison sentence and a fine of $5,000. The agency involved could be fined another $250,000 but wouldn't be required to furnish the employee with a taxpayer-backed lawyer.

''We're at a point in our history where the government is trying to slowly take away our rights, piece by piece, and I'm trying to stop that,'' Baxley said. ``By accumulating all this data, it could fall into the wrong hands. And that could be a treacherous thing.''

To drive the point home, the gun-tracking bill mentions Hitler and Castro by name and says both favored gun control and registration to maintain control over the population.

''It's clear what's going on here. These are polarizing social issues designed to excite conservatives in an election year,'' said Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach. ``But what's really offensive is the way they're going about it. The most outrageous thing is invoking the atrocities of the Holocaust to pass what's really an anti law-enforcement bill. It's in bad taste.''

Gelber, a former federal prosecutor, said that prohibiting police and prosecutors from tracking gun ownership will hamper law enforcement agencies, which often collect gun-sale information from pawnshops, gun stores and even federal authorities. They then use that data to establish a chain of custody in gun-crime cases to prove that a weapon was in a perpetrator's hand.

Police track the gun's serial number in a fashion similar to the way they can track a car's license plate.

The Miami-Dade state attorney's office said Tuesday that gun-tracking records have helped prosecutors catch and convict criminals.

In one case, a group of Miami police officers who stole a gun from a drug dealer and planted it on a suspect were caught after police tracked the gun to a previous arrest made by one of the officers. In another instance, prosecutors tracked a gun to the father of a man accused of shooting three of his Miami Beach neighbors in June after a birthday party kept him awake. The father told police he had given his son the gun.

The state attorney's office executive director, Theodore Mannelli, said the cases underscore the importance of collecting and storing gun-related data. Still, he said, the office has yet to take a position on the bill.

EARLY IN PROCESS

''We're still early in the process, so we want to see how this evolves,'' Mannelli said. ``But we do have some concerns.''

Among them: The bill doesn't clearly spell out when police agencies can collect gun-ownership information. And the measure seems to conflict with a law requiring pawnshops to furnish police with records of gun purchases, which the shop owners must keep for a year.

''If you don't have to register your television sets and your steak knives, which aren't protected by the Constitution, why do police have the right to track this?'' NRA board member Marion Hammer said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; guncontrol; gunregistration
Sunshine, this one's for you.
1 posted on 11/19/2003 1:07:53 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem; *bang_list
Heads up this is NOT pretty!

2 posted on 11/19/2003 1:12:32 PM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: neverdem
Police track the gun's serial number in a fashion similar to the way they can track a car's license plate.

Yeah, but it's kinda tough parking my car in my nightstand. I haven't been able to carry my car in my waistband either. Bada-bump!

The right to car ownership is found in the 2nd ammendment???

3 posted on 11/19/2003 2:31:00 PM PST by Tallguy (I can't think of anything to say -- John Entwistle in "The Kids are Alright")
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To: neverdem
I just sent this letter to the editor of the Miami Herald (my home town commie rag). I'll let you know if they publish it.

To the Editor:

State Representative Dan Gelber (D. Miami Beach) protests that the NRA backed bill which would prohibit records being kept of gun purchasers in the state as being "anti Law Enforcement." In fact the legislation is "anti Police-State," which is the inevitable result of all the anti-gun initiatives the Democrats have ever introduced. Liberal Democrats have never been able to understand the distinction. This is why they keep losing on this issue.

A better piece of legislation would ban gun buy-back programs as being anti Law Enforcement. These events take firearms "NO QUESTIONS ASKED" which is tantamount to offering to dispose of criminal forensic evidence and pay the perpetrator for the honor of doing so!

4 posted on 11/19/2003 3:48:45 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: ExSoldier
Good letter, the second paragraph will hopefully grab them. The first paragraph might wise them up, so in a way, I don't know if you want to help them to stop losing. Good luck, Adios
5 posted on 11/19/2003 5:35:16 PM PST by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: neverdem
I'm not worried about wising them up....lot's more folks have tried that and in more effective terms than I have. Zell Miller told them over and over and over. They are what they are and that'll never change and that I guess, is good for us.
6 posted on 11/19/2003 5:55:19 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: neverdem
They printed the letter! I can't wait for the comments at work tomorrow. My wife will get more of the same at HER school site. She likes the letter and agrees with it...and she really knows how to zing it to the liberals she works with. LOL This is going to be fun.
7 posted on 11/23/2003 1:51:37 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: ExSoldier
That's great. Congratulations. I used to send letters to the NY Times. Needless to say, mine were never printed.
8 posted on 11/23/2003 1:56:25 PM PST by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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