BIBLE MONUMENT IS KICKED OUT—KORAN MONUMENT IS ERECTED

Moody News ^ | 18 November, A.D. 2003 | The Revd. Dr. Moody Adams

[Ryan Bailey]

BIBLE MONUMENT IS KICKED OUT—KORAN MONUMENT IS ERECTED In the same month that Chief Justice Moore was kicked out of the Alabama Supreme Court for displaying the Bible’s 10 Commandments, New York has erected a monument to Islam’s Koran. The Koran has been put on display in the lobby of police headquarters on the top of a brass pedestal, encased in a glass cube.

The monument to Islamic scriptures was built during Ramadan despite the objections of New York’s Civil Liberties Union. The police headquarters, which had traditionally been staffed by Irish and Italian Catholic police officers, said it was moving toward a more diverse position by including Protestant, Jewish and Islam items

It is ironic that America is removing the Bible’s 10 commandments which forbids murder (“thou shalt not kill”) and installing the Koran which commands killing (“When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them” Koran 47:4).

It is even more ironic that this monument was raised in New York City where Muslims, obedient to their Koran, slaughtered about 3,000 people.

[Ryan Bailey]

This article by the distinguished Revd. Dr. Adams is expletive of the ironic state of affairs in modern political correctness. There is no equitable manner in which the Ten Commandments, which are not exclusively Christian, can be ruled illegal, as they were in the Alabama Supreme Court Complex, and the Koran deemed perfectly legal. I once again offer the words of President James Madison, the Father of our Constitution in June, 1785 in his Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Asessments:

"Before any man can be considered a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe."

[PoisedWoman]

What we don't know is whether the Koran was installed next to already existing copies of the Bible, Torah, Buddhist Sutras, etc. I seriously doubt it's the only "holy book" on display.

[Kerberos]

And for reasons like this and the Judge Moore case is why we have a seperation of church and state clause in the Constitution.

[Koblenz]

And for reasons like this and the Judge Moore case is why we have a seperation of church and state clause in the Constitution.

Actually, the consititution doesn't have a clause that discusses the separation of church and state. However, Jefferson said the constitution itself was a separation between church and state.

[Blood of Tyrants]

I would bet that you are wrong and that it IS the only one there.

[xzins]

To me that is the issue, but it isn't the issue to the logic of the COURTS and their other rulings about religious items in public space.

Based on their logic, separation of church and state would require all the items to be removed if they are religious. It wouldn't matter if you had a copy of each religion's text on display.

Now, I think separation of church and state is a fallacious interpretation of the constitution, and I think that the NYCity Police Chief is in charge of decorating his station. If that's the display they've chosen, I could care less.

As long as the next chief gets to choose his decorations, and then the next, and then the next.

It's free speech, imho, that is the ultimate issue here.

More power to the Police Chief if they interpret this correctly.

[Old Professer]

This article by the distinguished Revd. Dr. Adams is expletive of the ironic state of affairs in modern political correctness.

Explicative?

[mrsmith]

an interesting(?) side note:
A statue of Mohammed was put on the Manhattan Appellate Courthouse ca. 1896 (along with several other statues of Moses, Confucius, Justinian etc).

The statue was removed in the 1950's at the request of Moslems.

[Callahan]

I'm sure the "moderate" Muslims will really be impressed with this attempt at outreach. Perhaps they'll kindly pack less nails when they blow themselves up at the bus stop.

[AndyTheBear]

And for reasons like this and the Judge Moore case is why we have a seperation of church and state clause in the Constitution

This is a common mis-intepretation of:

Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion.

The context of the time makes it obvious they did not want the Federal Legislature making laws that either told people how they must worship, or treated people differently based on their faith such as not alowing catholics to own land.

The phrase "wall of seperation between church and state" comes from a letter by Thomas Jefferson to address a specific concern raised by a paticular individual. The phrase has been taken way out of context in order to shut down religious expression in public areas. So much so, the common impression among Americans is that it must actually be in the Constitution.

[Robe]

Looks like someone needs to make a call into the Mafia and get a few big guys to come over with baseball bats and smash up the monument.

....So I take it that you want the number of the NYPD Internal Affairs division?

[Thebaddog]

One police chaplain, Imam Izak-El Mu'eed Pasha from Masijd Malcolm Shabazz in Harlem, spearheaded the installation. He said police work makes religion a central part of police life. "By the nature of the job they have to have some faith," he said. "There's no way to do it without having faith." Pasha said it would be "wrong" for the department to more rigidly enforce the separation between church and state.

This is another quote from a Newsday article on the internet about the incident. The whole article is a real blood pressure raiser. And why aren't all the great religions displayed at once? That is a very good question.

[Salvation]

Unbelievable!

[RussianConservative]

Sorry but having read US constitution, there is no seperation of Church & State clause...it only say no State Religion.

[Salvation]

**I would bet that you are wrong and that it IS the only one there.**

Wondering if there is photo proof here.

[Britton J Wingfield]

Someone should epoxy a bunch of pig-ears all over that thing.

[Cindy]

Links of Interest:

In The USA:

MOODY NEWS.com: "BIBLE MONUMENT IS KICKED OUT -- KORAN MONUMENT IS ERECTED" (November 17, 2003)

AGAPE PRESS.org: "CHRISTIAN STUDENTS SUE THEIR SCHOOL OVER FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS" by Jim Brown (November 19, 2003) (Read More...)

SFGATE.com - SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE (AP): "FIRE DESTROYS TERRE HAUTE, INDIANA, HOLOCAUST MUSEUM" (November 18, 2003) (Read More...)

ASSIST NEWS SERVICE: "FOUR CHRISTIANS KILLED IN INDONESIA IN MUSLIM PROTESTS" (November 19, 2003) (Read More...)

ASSIST NEWS SERVICE: "EGYPT CHRISTIANS WOUNDED IN MUSLIM VIOLENCE" by Stefan J. Bos (November 18, 2003) (Read More...)

ASSIST NEWS SERVICE: "TURKEY: EVANGELISTS BEATEN AS ISLAM RISES" by Eliizabeth Kendal (November 16, 2003) (Read More...)

and more Links Of Interest...

[k2blader]

Not sure...

Here's an article that confirms the story but makes no mention of other religious displays:

NY Newsday - Police Koran Display Stirs Controversy

Also, why would the ACLU be against it if the Koran monument were amidst those representing other faiths?