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To: Constitutional Patriot; Travis McGee
I think what Gen. Franks fails to grasp is that armed Americans will likely handle this situation before the Government can say "martial law". It will not be pretty.

I saw a citizens militia training on Moore's "Bowling for Clumbine" - (I think it was the Montana Militia, but I am sure this applies to all militias)--each member had a different weapon, using different bullet calibers and all were fat - out of shape- middle aged for the most part. A citizens militia of this type would fold within a few minutes against even National Guard troops.

Every "militia" I have witnessed was in such condition-which to me seemed more like a militaria club (club where you play act as a soldier) rather than a true, uniformed (as in having uniform weapons and training) citizens militia. Sadly.

267 posted on 11/21/2003 12:07:44 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
I saw a citizens militia training on Moore's "Bowling for Clumbine" - (I think it was the Montana Militia, but I am sure this applies to all militias)--each member had a different weapon, using different bullet calibers and all were fat - out of shape- middle aged for the most part. A citizens militia of this type would fold within a few minutes against even National Guard troops.

Every "militia" I have witnessed was in such condition-which to me seemed more like a militaria club (club where you play act as a soldier) rather than a true, uniformed (as in having uniform weapons and training) citizens militia. Sadly.

You would think that one such unit sufficiently squared away with common equipment and similar uniforms would be similarly effective in their security procedures as well, and that such as filmmaker Moore would be most unlikely to ever have any contact with such a unit on any sort of terms that he'd find agreeable. Assuming, of course, that the *militia* depicted in his film were not paid actors, which would be unsurprising.

But it is not necessarily a given that dependence on a standard weapon or caliber of weapon would necessarily be advisable at a time when ammunition would be in short supply. Indeed, a variety of chamberings of personal weapons with which the users are familiar limits any inconvenience if a shortage of a common caliber ammunition exists, or is in competition with crew-served weapons for use.

I would expect that in such conditions that the two most common weapons seen would be the .22 caliber semiautomatic rifle and the 12-gauge shitgun, probably shortened for more convenient use in either exampple. And any unit standardized on the same weapon for about 50% of its personnel would be at least equal to the present US military forces in that respect.

Count on former Marines to be pretty testy about abandoning their former Eagle, Globe and Anchor, or at a minimum the initials U.S.M. C. applied very near their hearts.

-archy-/-

275 posted on 11/21/2003 1:19:22 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Destro
IMHO, the so-called militias cannot be effective for many reasons, first of all because they are totally penetrated by agents provacateurs. The serious militias would never call themselves that lightning rod term. They would call themselves a hunting club etc and conduct any training in private. Even then, the number of participants would have to be tiny, under ten I would think.
306 posted on 11/21/2003 9:05:35 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Destro
Who said anything about those posers?!!?

372 posted on 11/22/2003 10:21:50 PM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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