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Reaping the whirlwind: Guardian gets it and then surrenders alert
Guardian ^ | 11/21/03 | The Guardian

Posted on 11/20/2003 7:10:41 PM PST by Pikamax

Istanbul bombs

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reaping the whirlwind

Leader Friday November 21, 2003 The Guardian

Another terrible terrorist atrocity, another steely vow to crush the terrorists. How long can this go on? George Bush and Tony Blair were united yesterday in their determination "to defeat this evil". The prime minister was adamant that "there must be no holding back, no compromise, no hesitation in confronting this menace, in attacking it wherever and whenever we can and in defeating it utterly". The president claimed, again, that the struggle against al-Qaida and its allies is being won. But the evidence suggests otherwise. The blood and rubble in the streets of Istanbul, for the second time in a week, tells a different story. The terrorists showed once more that their ability and will to strike is undiminished, and may well be increasing. There appears no shortage of recruits; there is certainly no shortage of "soft" targets. As in Istanbul last Saturday, as in Bali, Djerba, Mombasa, Jakarta, Karachi, Riyadh and again in Iraq yesterday, this does not look like an enemy in post-9/11 retreat. This does not look like a war that is being won. It looks like a conflict that is in serious danger of escalating out of control. Yesterday's promises of unflinching retribution may be thought understandable. Yet it cannot merely come down to a matter of killing "them" before they kill "us". That is not a policy; that is capitulation to violence. Mr Bush and Mr Blair must consider some far deeper questions, beyond the primary issues of security. Who is this enemy that seems both invisible and ubiquitous? What causes this pitiless hatred? To say simply that they "hate freedom" is no explanation. Do Mr Bush and Mr Blair really believe this is a war that can definitively be won? And are their policies in the Middle East and beyond steadily making matters worse, not better?

Over two years after the Twin Towers, al-Qaida's three-pronged stratagem is not difficult to penetrate, even if its terror cells are. Its actions and those of its affiliates, taken as a whole, are intended to frighten and enrage, to polarise and to divide. Al-Qaida seeks to transform moderates into hardliners, to turn Muslim against Christian and Jew, to build confrontation between Islam and the west. By choosing confrontation too, by failing to communicate effectively with mainstream Muslim opinion, and crucially, by failing to draw the insidious poison of the Arab-Israeli conflict, western leaders have played into the terrorists' hands. Al-Qaida's business is rebellion. By its actions and inaction, the west has too frequently given these rebels a cause.

Al-Qaida's stratagem is sustained, secondly, by one principal tool - horrific, random violence. Yet by meeting violence with an even greater violence of their own, the US and its allies have sometimes appeared to descend, in Afghanistan and now in Iraq, to that same brutish level. In all truth there is simply no comparison between the war-time actions of, say, the British army round Basra and Turkish suicide bombers. But it is also true, sadly, that for many in the Muslim world, the resort to organised violence by the west effectively legitimises a reciprocal violence by whatever means possible. The use of force in Iraq, now enshrined as a governing principle by Mr Bush, invited a highly aggressive response. That response is in progress. The whirlwind is being reaped.

The third leg of al-Qaida's strategy rests on the hope that the west, unable to defend itself and wearying of the fight, will somehow give up or give in or go away. This cannot happen. Mr Bush and Mr Blair have made many mistakes since 9/11. There is an urgent need for a radical review of policy. But in the teeth of such terror, there must also be solidarity. Yesterday was Britain's day to mourn, to grieve for our diplomats, our citizens and those many others so cruelly victimised in Istanbul - and grieve we do. But tomorrow, or next week, or next month, if this goes on unchecked, it will be somebody else's awful turn. A candid admission of western failings does not imply submission to barbarity. There is no case for surrender. But there is a very strong case for a more intelligent, less confrontational, combined east-west approach to an intensifying global crisis.


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1 posted on 11/20/2003 7:10:42 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
The proper and appropriate response to unprovoked violence is greater and more effecient violence.
2 posted on 11/20/2003 7:14:09 PM PST by TexasBarak (aka Captain Cantankerous!!- www.postalbanks.com)
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To: Pikamax
AAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!

Wussies!!!!

3 posted on 11/20/2003 7:18:41 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: Pikamax
A candid admission of western failings does not imply submission to barbarity. There is no case for surrender. But there is a very strong case for a more intelligent, less confrontational, combined east-west approach to an intensifying global crisis.

LOL!!! What does this mean?? A group hug??

Pathetic. The Guardian response is a call for a East/West therapy session.

4 posted on 11/20/2003 7:21:49 PM PST by zarf (..where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment?)
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To: Pikamax
Profoundly blind to the facts, willfully ignorant of the realities on the ground in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere, and wistful for the glory days of the gulags and pogroms, the Guardian seems to have found a new infernal cause to champion.

5 posted on 11/20/2003 7:23:12 PM PST by John Valentine (In Seoul, and keeping one eye on the hills to the North...)
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To: Pikamax
Reaping the whirlwind: Guardian gets it and then surrenders alert

I read it, but I missed the part where they got it. I thought they were wide to the left from beginning to end.

6 posted on 11/20/2003 7:23:27 PM PST by Always Right
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To: zarf
Plus, these morons in the UK now pretend that terrorism against the US and UK has only started as a result of the Iraq war. I was in Turkey in 79, and terrorists were bombing and shooting Westerners even then.
7 posted on 11/20/2003 7:25:23 PM PST by binreadin
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Oh, I know, let's invite Mr. Bin Laden and Mr. Hussain to tea. We can serve some of those lovely little cakes too. Surely we can reason with them. We'll just tell them that it's unacceptable that they keep blowing up building and people.

We'll just have a nice little chat and I'm sure all differences will be worked out.

8 posted on 11/20/2003 7:33:06 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Pikamax
Mr Bush and Mr Blair must consider some far deeper questions, beyond the primary issues of security.

I really don't understand this leftist obsession with asking questions of and expecting answers from one's murderers as they are in the act of killing you. That doesn't work. The Jews of Europe found this out the hard way back in the 1930s and 1940s. They asked the Nazis why they were murdering them as they were being herded into the gas chambers, and the only answer they got was a dose of Zyklon B. It simply makes no sense to ask an irrational barbarian blinded by pure evil and hatred to answer a rational question.

Lacking any rationality on the part of those who would kill you, the only sane and sensible option left for the rational person is to defend oneself, loved ones, and nation.

9 posted on 11/20/2003 7:38:01 PM PST by chimera
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By its actions and inaction, the west has too frequently given these rebels a cause.

Only an organization addicted to carping can complain about action AND inaction in the same sentance. And rebels???!? That's just disguesting.
10 posted on 11/20/2003 7:55:52 PM PST by self_evident
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To: binreadin
Indeed, but you should know, that liberals have very selective memories.
11 posted on 11/20/2003 8:01:37 PM PST by desertcry
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To: Pikamax
As in Istanbul last Saturday, as in Bali, Djerba, Mombasa, Jakarta, Karachi, Riyadh and again in Iraq...

Wow, so for The Gardian (home of Robert Al-Fisk, a.k.a. Bahgdad Bob) no terrorist acts have ever happen in Haifa, Jerusalem, Tel-Aviv and other Israeli cities. You know what? I could stop reading here and tell you exactly what will follow.

Communist traitors under flimsy disguise of human rights defenders will demand Western capitulation to their allies the Jihadists.

What's new?

12 posted on 11/20/2003 8:06:38 PM PST by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Pikamax
Yet by meeting violence with an even greater violence of their own, the US and its allies have sometimes appeared to descend, in Afghanistan and now in Iraq, to that same brutish level.

That is the trouble in fighting dirty. The level of battle is set by the side that sinks the furthest into the muck. In this case it is the total and complete evil being shown by the terrorists. Civilization cannot do else than what Bush is doing, unless he unleash even greater force, and that may be necessary. There is no "less confrontational" approach. The Guardian is full of it.

13 posted on 11/20/2003 8:08:59 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Pikamax
Somewhere, Neville Chamberlain is smiling.
14 posted on 11/20/2003 8:26:36 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: binreadin
I was in Turkey in 79, and terrorists were bombing and shooting Westerners even then.

Then, and even earlier.

In the 70s Turkish terrorists derived their cadre from the Kurds' "movement for national liberation", now from the Islamists, but the looney Left ideology were always and still is their main driving force.

Another very important factor was KGB funding - both for terrorists and for so called peace movement.

A honourable task for the investigative journalists from The Gardian: nose out who funds tens of thousands anti-globalist, anti-American, anti-Western panks jetting all over the world from Melbourne to Geneva to Miami to London.

Once you know that, you'll know who pays for the terrorism, too.

15 posted on 11/20/2003 8:27:18 PM PST by Neophyte (Nazists, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Pikamax
Typical Guardian appeasement material.

Yes, the bombings continue. But the difference is that they are occurring OVER THERE and not in the West. This shows me that they are weak and don't have the logistics to easily pull off attacks in the Western world. It's not that difficult to make a car bomb and drive down the street and blow it up.

Perhaps the terrorists will lose a little support when the Arabs figure out it's their friends and neighbors that are dying when the bombs go off. Muslims killing Muslims isn't good PR.

16 posted on 11/20/2003 9:14:46 PM PST by Reagan is King
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