NYT: F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies

The NYT ^ | Nov. 23, 2003 | ERIC LICHTBLAU

[Grampa Dave]

It is a little difficult.

X guy/group gives big sum to Anti America Non Profit like Planned Parenthood, ACLU, Club Sierra or _______________?

The Anti America Non Profit takes out a handling charge of 20 to 40% and writes a check to the Anti Peace Group for the remainder.

So who is guilty here? X guy/group, the board of the Anti America Non Profit, or the little scumbags who donate to the Anti America Non Profit?

[concerned about politics]

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has collected extensive information on the tactics, training and organization of antiwar demonstrators and has advised local law enforcement officials to report any suspicious activity at protests to its counterterrorism squads, according to interviews and a confidential bureau memorandum.

Good. These commies (admittedly) are supporting the terrorists. If the FBI weren't keeping tabs on them - THEN I'd be worried.

[guinnessboy]

whats our next gig?

[BOBTHENAILER]

I wonder who is filling the KGB's shoes today? The Saudis? George Soros? The Chinese?

I read Lunev's book and have been amazed that the financial support hasn't been closely scrutinized, identified and stopped in its tracks, to avoid a repeat of what Lunev describes and you posted.

My guess is that all three of the above groups are filling the KGB boots today, although probably not coordinated.

[concerned about politics]

My guess is that all three of the above groups are filling the KGB boots today, although probably not coordinated.

I think the propaganda is failing this time because of the age of communications. People have media choices now. Before, all they had were the liberal medias assisting the KGB.
Today, we have more news outlets to report the real story about these groups. People aren't being decieved as they were back then. FOX (plus informative radio comentaries, pro-American journalists...etc.) reported the Communist/Socialist ties of A.N.S.W.E.R., and the internet has the info all over the place.

[risk]

Like the cases below, I think we have some strong evidence that an open society (which I would never argue we should change -- ever) is highly vulnerable to infiltration, manipulation, and political division from within:

On thread about Laden/Iraq connection - Laurie Mylroie discusses links
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1027288/posts?page=11#11

Thread asserting KGB initiated certain JFK conspiracy theories:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1027194/posts

I think these situations suggest a strong need for forums like Free Republic where people who are more immune to manipulation against their country can look for impropriety and call foul when necessary. Sometimes I regret that our forum is visible to non-US networks, but then again, our weakness can become a strength when evaluated as a whole: free flow of information will ultimately save our necks because it means fewer people stay fooled for a shorter amount of time (I believe).

[risk]

By the way, in addition to Laurie Mylroie's
brave writing, Jayna Davis (a reporter who was in OKC at the time of the bombing) has her own website at http://www.jaynadavis.com/. JBS also has a web page on the OKC bombing where their New American articles and other links are collected: http://www.thenewamerican.com/focus/okc/

The media and the Clinton administration may have both come to the independent conclusion that it wasn't politically correct to discuss a mideast connection to OKC (if it indeed exists). It just goes to show how something extremely important to American domestic security can be swept under the carpet because of the cowardice of poor leadership in our government and in the press.

Combine our internal lack of conviction with outside funding and inside manipulation by academic, media, and government moles paid for by our oil rich and large state enemies, we have a serious vulnerability.

[Travis McGee]

bttt

[patton]

(+)

[BOBTHENAILER]

I think the propaganda is failing this time because of the age of communications.

I think you're right, but they'll continue to try and will succeed with the usual sheeple.

I'm hoping for a huge blowback on the attempted propaganda come 11-04.

[BOBTHENAILER]

Great points in #66 & 67.

[risk]

>>> I'm hoping for a huge blowback on the attempted propaganda come 11-04.

Solution: *factual* and *understated* presentation of data indicating that some highly placed pols, editors, career government officials, and educators are either shirking their duty or verging on selling out to parties only interested in our destruction.

People like Vidal, who denounce our country, seem to forget that their very freedom to do so (even in Italy and France) has only been preserved by our so-called "oppressive" military industrial complex. A complex staffed by people who love liberty as much as life. (As much in government as in R&D and in combat.)

We need to get the word out about the Clinton machine. We also need to get the word out on Bush's ultimate honor and humanity. Even if he's linked to big oil, that actually isn't a strike against him. Oil is *critical* to the west's productivity and strength. Anyone working in the oil industry is a first rate patriot as long as they keep their advocacy above board and remain committed to democracy as opposed to totalitarian governments to maintain our access to oil.

[b4its2late]

NYT: F.B.I. Scrutinizes Antiwar Rallies

It's about damn time.

[BOBTHENAILER]

Anyone working in the oil industry is a first rate patriot as long as they keep their advocacy above board and remain committed to democracy as opposed to totalitarian governments to maintain our access to oil.

Agree with your solution and have been practicing it wherever and whenever I can, emails, letters to Editors, letters to senators, representatives, friends, etc.

Thanks for the compliment on an industry I love and have been actively exploring in for some 25 years. We always get the JR Ewing treatment in the press.

[sauropod]

Re: FBI scrutinizing "anti-war rallies."

They are idiots if they don't.

[risk]

>>> Thanks for the compliment on an industry I love and have been actively exploring in for some 25 years.

You're welcome, and thanks for helping keep my gas tanks full, plastics innovating monthly, and our agriculture as productive as ever. I think we need alternative fuels and chemical sources, but that will come in time.

The big difference I see in the Bush administration as opposed to Nixon's, Reagan's, and LBJ's is one of greater concern for humanity. In the absence of a fiery hot cold war, we feel we can afford to "do things right." That's another positive side of Bush that is overlooked by the center and the left!

[sauropod]

"The F.B.I. is dangerously targeting Americans who are engaged in nothing more than lawful protest and dissent," said Anthony Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union. "The line between terrorism and legitimate civil disobedience is blurred, and I have a serious concern about whether we're going back to the days of Hoover."

Let me break out the Crayolas for you Mr. Romero. If it were only lawful protest and dissent, you would not hear a peep out of me.

They are engaged in TREASON!!!

Clear enough?

[sauropod]

I;d like to know more. Who was the Anarchist?

[sauropod]

Precisely.

[sauropod]

Already happened.