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Gay Couples Follow a Trail North Blazed by Slaves and War Resisters
New York Slimes ^ | November 23, 2003 | CLIFFORD KRAUSS

Posted on 11/23/2003 10:59:06 AM PST by putupon


Culver Pictures
In an 1862 lithograph, a slave is depicted fleeing
toward Canada before the Civil War.

VANCOUVER, British Columbia — Heaven was the word for Canada and the Negro sang of the hope that his escape on the Underground Railroad would carry him there," the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once noted in describing the codes American slaves used in their spirituals to fool their masters before taking flight.

Canada is heaven again for Lance W. Bateman and William E. Woods, two American men who were married here recently.

The wedding on Aug. 31 looked like a typical Hawaiian wedding, with the grooms wearing tropical ceremonial shirts made of pineapple fiber woven to look like fine silk and every guest wearing at least one orchid lei. Except the affair was in Canada, because the two men could not legally be married in Hawaii, where they live and to which they have returned.

As untraditional as the affair might seem, the men were actually following a long tradition of Americans coming here to break the conventions of the day, do something illegal, or simply live as they wished. The tradition goes back to the American Revolution, when 30,000 Loyalists flooded into Ontario and Nova Scotia to remain in the paternal embrace of King George III.

Mr. Woods, a 54-year-old public health administrator, and other gay-rights advocates are campaigning to encourage American gay couples to marry in Canada and then take their Canadian marriage licenses back home to press for the kind of pension, medical and other benefits that heterosexual married couples

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Poor, oppressed fags, abused like the slaves of yesteryear in the U.S.
1 posted on 11/23/2003 10:59:07 AM PST by putupon
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To: putupon
So I guess the Hershey Highway joins the Underground Railroad.
2 posted on 11/23/2003 11:00:24 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (SSDD - Same S#it Different Democrat)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
ROFL
3 posted on 11/23/2003 11:02:22 AM PST by putupon (Go Hoo's-Beat VT!!!)
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To: putupon
What have they really done? Is there something that will come of all this foolishness that betters us all?
4 posted on 11/23/2003 11:04:17 AM PST by Thebaddog (Woof!)
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To: putupon
Was there a gerbil in that knapsack?
5 posted on 11/23/2003 11:04:51 AM PST by Young Rhino (http://www.artofdivorce.com)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Adds a WHOLE 'nother wrinkle to "We Shall OverCome."
6 posted on 11/23/2003 11:05:51 AM PST by martin_fierro (_____oooo_(_°_¿_°_)_oooo_____)
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To: putupon
Gay Couples Follow a Trail North Blazed by Slaves and War Resisters

Poor equivalency argument. Unlike fags, slaves couldn't help that they were born Black. War resistors were (ostensibly) acting on conscience. Homos are simply amoral degenerates seeking to destroy the bedrock of civilization by expanding its definition so broadly as to render it meaningless. They're social Marxists, or at least the pawns of that ilk, whether they know it, admit it, or not.

7 posted on 11/23/2003 11:09:03 AM PST by IronJack
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To: putupon
On the underground railroad they spend most of their time in the caboose...
8 posted on 11/23/2003 11:12:21 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: putupon
When are black people going to rise up and denounce this ugly comparison?
9 posted on 11/23/2003 11:12:21 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (I'm a racist, you're a racist, we're all racists, hey!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Harriet Tubman meets Harry Butman.
10 posted on 11/23/2003 11:14:06 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (I'm a racist, you're a racist, we're all racists, hey!)
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To: Thebaddog
Great point!

No nothing they have done is for the betterment of mankind.

It only increases the transmissions of ever more powerful viral diseases yet come from either chimpanzees or live culture antibodies errors.

Homosexual men and those that practice unnatural sex ( anal or African dry )will always the prime carriers and transmitters of disease.

The costs to contain them currently run in the billions and billions of dollars.

Were it not for the amoral we would be able to cure world hunger.

There’s a reason that God doe not want us to this.

Nothing trailblazing in selfishness.
11 posted on 11/23/2003 11:16:39 AM PST by Kay Soze (Liberal Homosexuals kill more people than Global Warming, SUVs’, Firearms & Terrorism combined.)
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To: putupon
I think quite a few Blacks will find this disgusting....and the Dems in their support will continue to alienate a group waking up to reality.....the DEMS do NOT give a Da*n about them......equating race with sexual preference does NOT compute.
12 posted on 11/23/2003 11:16:41 AM PST by goodnesswins (Aren't you glad you LIVE IN THE USA?)
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To: putupon
I want to point out that in no State are gays prohibited from getting married. In fact, gays can marry each other. However, they just can't marry someone of the same sex. There is no prohibition against gay marriage - just same sex marriage.
13 posted on 11/23/2003 11:17:37 AM PST by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: putupon
..the men were actually following a long tradition of Americans coming here to break the conventions of the day, do something illegal,...

Not entirely true. The straights went South of the Border to Mexico to drink - if underage or during prohibition - and whore around before being shackled by the chains of matrimony or military service.

Viva Wazoo!

14 posted on 11/23/2003 11:22:50 AM PST by elbucko
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To: putupon
take their Canadian marriage licenses back home to press for the kind of pension, medical and other benefits that heterosexual married couples

Next men will return from third-world countries with a dozen wives in tow.

15 posted on 11/23/2003 11:23:36 AM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
Next men will return from third-world countries with a dozen wives in tow.

A dozen?!! What horrible deed did these men do to deserve such a punishment? :-)

16 posted on 11/23/2003 11:28:02 AM PST by Young Rhino (http://www.artofdivorce.com)
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To: Young Rhino
Was there a gerbil in that knapsack?

When is PETA going to make the cruelty to gerbils an issue? I guess one left group doesn't want to offend another left group. Any flamer with a gerbil up his azz should be sent to prison for cruelty to animals.

17 posted on 11/23/2003 11:28:28 AM PST by boycott
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Their favorite part of the trip is getting packed.
18 posted on 11/23/2003 11:34:20 AM PST by Jaxter ("When they come for your guns, give 'em your ammo first.")
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To: putupon; All
Dear Abby:

I am the founder of the North American Man-Hamster Reproductive Rights Alliance (NAMHRRA). 50% of our members are faithful to hamsters but 50% want to "make it" with chickens, and the chickens are squawking about it. We have polled our membership and both of us want you to be the judge. Please decide if we should rename our group the North American Man-Hamster-Chicken Squeaking, Squawking Summer of Love (NAMHCSSSOL).

Sincerely, Bruce of Bayonne

19 posted on 11/23/2003 11:48:13 AM PST by T'wit
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To: Kay Soze
African dry... I'm curious: what is this, exactly? (unless it's too nasty for public dscussion, of course.)

By the way, any relation to Keyser Soze?

20 posted on 11/23/2003 11:53:13 AM PST by A. Goodwin
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To: IronJack
Poor equivalency argument.

Of course it's not designed to be anything so rational as an argument. The typical government school grad of today wouldn't know a logical argument if it bit him. But he is well-tuned to be sensitive to political associations trumped up by the media elites...

The contemporary era is one of feelings, not thoughts. That won't change until we all toss out the TVs and discipline ourselves and our families to regularly read good books.

21 posted on 11/23/2003 11:56:57 AM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: Kay Soze
Homosexual men and those that practice unnatural sex ( anal or African dry )will always the prime carriers and transmitters of disease.

Oak Hay... guess I'm just a dummy regarding queer sex garbage. What the heck is "African dry"???

22 posted on 11/23/2003 12:02:25 PM PST by GeekDejure (<H3> Searching For The Meaning Of "Huge" Fonts !!!</H3>)
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To: GeekDejure
Its the opposite of Asian Wet.
23 posted on 11/23/2003 12:12:45 PM PST by nwrep
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To: putupon
"Going where some men have gone before"
24 posted on 11/23/2003 12:15:44 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: putupon
The Times continues to disappoint me, I opened this thread fully expecting to read of hot, steamy sex in a boxcar full of runaway young bucks rutting their way to colder climes.

I'll return as soon as Jim lets me out.

25 posted on 11/23/2003 12:16:00 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Spiff
I want to point out that in no State are gays prohibited from getting married. In fact, gays can marry each other. However, they just can't marry someone of the same sex. There is no prohibition against gay marriage - just same sex marriage.

Excellent point. We should bring it up whenever the issue is raised.

26 posted on 11/23/2003 12:19:38 PM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: IronJack
The Gays = Blacks in the Civil Rights struggle has been a long-time argument for the Gay activists ...

The Liberal Press is trying it on the rest of America.
Just today, Derrick Jackson praised the faulty Mass ruling in those terms, gong back to rulings that legalized interracial marriage.

Anyone who thinks homosexuality is immoral is just a hateful bigot.

If you dissent? You will be marginalized,shunned or absorbed.
27 posted on 11/23/2003 1:15:09 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: All
JESUS DEFINES MARRIAGE: "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore, they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." -from THE BIBLE: Matthew 19:4-6
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28 posted on 11/23/2003 1:16:16 PM PST by Cindy
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NOT. THE. SAME. THING. MORONS.

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29 posted on 11/23/2003 1:16:55 PM PST by mhking
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To: putupon
Read later, bump.
30 posted on 11/23/2003 1:17:29 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Stop Legal Plunder
"political associations trumped up by the media elites..."

That is a good point - the mind works through association...

bigotry does too. bigotry is just the association of a group/class with a set of characteristics - judging a book by its cover.

here they judge a movement of set of people by analogy with another group. Same kind of associative thinking. So they use the same mind-trick that bigots do to push their own agenda which they claim is against bigotry! Ironic!
31 posted on 11/23/2003 1:19:09 PM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: putupon
Gay Couples Follow a Trail North Blazed by Slaves and War Resisters

Downside: there goes Broadway musicals and opera in the USA
(no flames...I know even straight males can like musicals, like columnist
Mark Steyn, sp?)

Upside: Fewer crappy situation comedies with gay-friendly obsessions?
32 posted on 11/23/2003 1:25:50 PM PST by VOA
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To: putupon
Silly comparison in the article. However, I'm not opposed to same-sex marriage.
33 posted on 11/23/2003 1:34:44 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: GeekDejure
Oak Hay... guess I'm just a dummy regarding queer sex garbage. What the heck is "African dry"???

I had to do some searching, but did find a Salon article on the phenomenon link

34 posted on 11/23/2003 1:44:03 PM PST by Randjuke
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To: putupon
Gay Couples Follow a Trail North Blazed by Slaves and War Resisters



Resisters?
35 posted on 11/23/2003 1:51:01 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ain't Skeered...)
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To: GeekDejure
AIDS: The Agony of Africa
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/9948/schoofs.php
Part Five: Death and the Second Sex
By Mark Schoofs
December 1-7, 1999

Harare, Zimbabwe and Nigeri Village, Kenya -- Sipewe Mhakeni used herbs from the Mugugudhu tree. After grinding the stem and leaf, she would mix just a pinch of the sand-colored powder with water, wrap it in a bit of nylon stocking, and insert it into her vagina for 10 to 15 minutes. The herbs swell the soft tissues of the vagina, make it hot, and dry it out. That made sex "very painful," says Mhakeni. But, she adds, "Our African husbands enjoy sex with a dry vagina."
Many women concur that dry sex, as this practice is called, hurts. Yet it is common throughout southern Africa, where the AIDS epidemic is worse than anywhere in the world. Researchers conducting a study in Zimbabwe, where Mhakeni lives, had trouble finding a control group of women who did not engage in some form of the practice. Some women dry out their vaginas with mutendo wegudo -- soil with baboon urine -- that they obtain from traditional healers, while others use detergents, salt, cotton, or shredded newspaper. Research shows that dry sex causes vaginal lacerations and suppresses the vagina's natural bacteria, both of which increase the likelihood of HIV infection. And some AIDS workers believe the extra friction makes condoms tear more easily.
36 posted on 11/23/2003 1:58:16 PM PST by Kay Soze (Liberal Homosexuals kill more people than Global Warming, SUVs’, Firearms & Terrorism combined.)
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To: reagan_fanatic
War Resisters mantra ----- OHM!
37 posted on 11/23/2003 2:00:35 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Proud member - Neo-Conservative Power Vortex)
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To: WOSG
If you dissent? You will be marginalized,shunned or absorbed.

Then best commence the marginalizing, shunning, and absorbing.

This is an issue no Christian need feel guilty about opposing. The Bible states explicitly God's view of homosexuality, and all the oogy, kumbaya talk in the world won't change the fact that it is an abomination before the Almighty. It doesn't mean we have to hate. It doesn't mean we have any right to hurt or injure homosexuals. It just means that we're under no moral obligation to accept their abhorrent behavior, nor to lend it our collective sanction.

It is a perfect wedge issue for the dialectical Left, since accepting homosexuality destroys the traditional notion of marriage and family and opposing it causes an ideological tension that can erupt into violence, which can also be used to destroy the status quo.

Marx would be proud.

38 posted on 11/23/2003 2:03:41 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Randjuke
Thanks for the link, Randjuke. Yikes... It's astonishing that these insane creatures consider themselves to be human beings !!!

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39 posted on 11/23/2003 2:14:45 PM PST by GeekDejure (<H3> Searching For The Meaning Of "Huge" Fonts !!!</H3>)
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To: Stop Legal Plunder
it's not designed to be anything so rational as an argument.

Absolutely right. It is a transparent attempt to link the image of something abominable -- slavery -- with something perfectly normal -- opposition to homosexuality. If the average pro-hetero can be turned into Simon Legree, it makes every queer a sympathetic soul.

I don't know that God had much to say about slavery, but He makes it pretty clear where He stands on homosexuality.

40 posted on 11/23/2003 2:16:30 PM PST by IronJack
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To: GeekDejure
"Totally insane! Who but a baboon would insert baboon urine inside their vagina??? But wait... baboons don't do it... only a lesser African species!!!"

Are you referring to black people? Are you referring to me?

43 posted on 11/23/2003 2:32:33 PM PST by Dr. Luv
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To: IronJack
This is an issue no Christian need feel guilty about opposing.

This is an issue no conservative skeptic need feel guilty about opposing.

No non-Christian should decry any Christians for believing homosexual behavior is immoral or acting on that belief (short of harming or publicly humiliating folks). The thing completely missing from the liberal side is respect for traditional beliefs.

They also view the government as this generous source of largesse and approval. I favor limited government, but I also want the government to do a few modest things to protect various well-known institutions. This includes a few modest perks to help along the traditional family structure, which is so vital. It is beyond absurd to extend these perks to gay couples.

At the same time, I have no problem with some legislation, that would make it easier for a gay person to name his companion as his next of kin for various purposes. That would be almost no cost to the taxpayer. Once you take away benefit and approval-related issues, what you are left with is the next of kin thing and divorce law.

44 posted on 11/23/2003 2:33:32 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: GeekDejure
I don’t believe they or homosexuals are lesser in any way.

I do KNOW that they are practicing unsafe sex.

God did not give us rules to punish but to help us.

The Bible is largely an owners manual for the soul.

We can exceed operating specs but will suffer consequences.


45 posted on 11/23/2003 2:42:38 PM PST by Kay Soze (Liberal Homosexuals kill more people than Global Warming, SUVs’, Firearms & Terrorism combined.)
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To: mhking
>>NOT. THE. SAME. THING. MORONS.<<

Oh thank you!
Now if I could get that through to my lesbian sister who likes to relate herself to Sojourner Truth.
46 posted on 11/23/2003 2:45:22 PM PST by netmilsmom (Proudly, A painful wart on the big toe of progress--No gay marriage!)
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To: putupon
Everytime someone compares gays to blacks I could spit.
47 posted on 11/23/2003 3:10:04 PM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: GeekDejure
Lesser African species? Do you really mean that?
48 posted on 11/23/2003 3:16:38 PM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: NutCrackerBoy
I would like to see a list of specific deficiencies the homo lobby wants "corrected." I think the state should butt out of any arrangements two individuals want to make with regards to their personal property. As to insurance benefits, those are not provided by the government, and should not be the government's concern. Take it up with the insurance company. Social Security? Allow a beneficiary to be designated.

As far as inheritance, a will can be made out to leave an estate to anyone. Michael Jackson could leave Neverland to his monkey.

But none of these things constitute a marriage, at least not in the fullest sense of that word. For that, a spiritual recognition is necessary. And I am free to withhold that recognition all the while honoring the legal arrangements between two homosexuals.

49 posted on 11/23/2003 3:26:50 PM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
You Posted: I would like to see a list of specific deficiencies the homo lobby wants "corrected." I think the state should butt out of any arrangements two individuals want to make with regards to their personal property. As to insurance benefits, those are not provided by the government, and should not be the government's concern. Take it up with the insurance company. Social Security? Allow a beneficiary to be designated.

As far as inheritance, a will can be made out to leave an estate to anyone. Michael Jackson could leave Neverland to his monkey.

But none of these things constitute a marriage, at least not in the fullest sense of that word. For that, a spiritual recognition is necessary. And I am free to withhold that recognition all the while honoring the legal arrangements between two homosexuals.

My reply: I know how all the posts on this web site are anti gay, so I'll jsut say this and leave. Regarding your comment above- Well I guess no hetrosexual athiests are married then right? I have a hard time at this web site reading the "hetrosexual agenda".. No personal atttacks please, it makes you look small..
50 posted on 11/23/2003 3:42:08 PM PST by Lone Voice in the hinterlands
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