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The Decalogue And The Demagogue
Americans United ^ | Oct 2003 | Americans United

Posted on 11/23/2003 3:33:43 PM PST by Kerberos

The Decalogue And The Demagogue Lessons From Alabama

Now that the media circus created by Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore and his Ten Commandments display has died down, it’s a good time to step back and debunk some oft-repeated Religious Right assertions about this case:

• Moore’s display of the Ten Commandments was a courageous act.

It wasn’t. It was the act of an aspiring theocrat and religious zealot. This country does not have religious courts or anything like them. When you come before a judge, your age, sex, race and religion should be irrelevant. What you believe – or don’t believe – about God should be of absolutely no relevance to the state.

Moore’s display made religion not just relevant but paramount. It sent a message that the Alabama Supreme Court operates from a religious perspective. The state’s highest court had a favorite religious code, carved on a two-ton rock in the rotunda. Courts like that might exist in Iran; they ought to be alien to the United States.

• Moore just wanted to “acknowledge God.”

Moore is free to pray and read the Bible on his own in his private office whenever he feels the need. But he does not have the right to endorse any religious code in his official capacity or imply that Alabama courts have even a quasi-official religion.

Moore told a Promise Keepers rally in Atlanta recently that church-state separation is “a fable.” That’s a strong clue revealing what this crusade was really all about: furthering Religious Right attacks on that important constitutional principle and paving the way for fundamentalist government in the United States. Moore’s goal was to advance the Religious Right’s repressive agenda, not acknowledge God.

• The Ten Commandments are the foundation of U.S. law.

Wrong. The Ten Commandments are an important moral code to millions of believers, but they are not the foundation of American law. U.S. law does not require citizens to worship only one god, and it does not ban the production of graven images. We do not require citizens to keep the Sabbath holy, force people to honor their parents or punish coveting. We don’t even punish lying, unless it’s in a court proceeding or in some other venue where criminal conduct is involved. (Two of the Commandments ban killing and theft. These prohibitions have been adopted by societies of many religious hues throughout history as common-sense rules for peaceful living.)

Most of the Commandments deal with humankind’s relationship to God. The state has no business regulating this relationship. Who would want to live in a country that mandated worship of God in certain ways? Who would want to live in a nation where people were fined or imprisoned for not going to services on the Sabbath (which day is it anyway?) or for saying something a cleric deemed blasphemous? Moore’s actions not only violate church-state separation, they mislead Americans about the ultimate source of our law. That source is the Consti­tution – not the Bible or any other religious book.

• The Ten Commandments are displayed in the U.S. Supreme Court.

No display anything like the one in Alabama appears in the U.S. Supreme Court. The high court’s main chamber contains a frieze that depicts great lawgivers throughout history. Moses is part of this frieze. He is depicted holding two tablets, one of which contains some Hebrew letters. The frieze also depicts Hammurabi, Solomon, Confucius, Mohammad, Augustus, Charlemagne, Napoleon and others. The point of this display is educational and artistic, not an endorsement of one religious tradition.

A second high court frieze includes a single tablet with the Roman numerals one through 10 on it. Some Religious Right activists have assumed that this is intended to represent the Ten Command­ments. In fact, Adolph Weinman, the sculptor who designed the frieze, stated publicly that the tablet symbolizes the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution – our Bill of Rights.

• • •

The Montgomery showdown was telling – and disturbing – for many reasons. It exposed, for example, just how extreme some leaders of the Religious Right are these days. James Dobson of Focus on the Family was not alone in backing Moore’s defiance of the federal courts. Despite all of their “I love America” rhetoric, many in the Religious Right have nothing but contempt for America’s secular democratic government and our system of law.

The imbroglio also underscored that defenders of church-state separation have some work to do. One poll that came out during the showdown indicated that 77 percent of Americans support displaying the Ten Commandments in government buildings. This is a strong warning that our educational efforts have not been as persuasive as they need to be. We ignore that message at our own peril.

Courts are an important line of defense in the battle to maintain church-state separation. But we cannot rely on them to do all of the heavy lifting for us. If the American people do not truly value the wisdom of the founders and appreciate why they demanded that religion and government be separate, eventually Moore and his Religious Right allies will start to win. They could begin remaking this nation to their liking, discarding the legacy of religious freedom.

We all got a glimpse of what a Religious Right-dominated America would look like in Montgomery recently. Our challenge is to make sure it never comes to pass.


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1 posted on 11/23/2003 3:33:43 PM PST by Kerberos
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To: k2blader; Arthur Wildfire! March; Byron_the_Aussie; dsc; TigersEye; Sockdologer; Ribeye; ...
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2 posted on 11/23/2003 3:35:06 PM PST by Kerberos
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To: All
"ARE THEY FOR US OR AGAINST US?" (Updated Daily - Click Here.)

3 posted on 11/23/2003 3:48:23 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Kerberos
The Liars of Americans United may lead silly women astray
but the foundation for our Law and our Republican system of
government is the Bible/ Christianity.And as demonstrated in the first history of the United States --and as James
Wilson taught ;"Human Law must rest its' authority,ultimately ,upon the authority of that Law which is divine."There is ample evidence to suggest Roy Moores'
suppporters are right. Oh and the transcripts of the little
Inquisition of Roy Moore clearly prove Bill Pryor wanted it
clear it was about "acknowledgment of God"
4 posted on 11/23/2003 4:52:54 PM PST by StonyBurk
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To: Kerberos
Ah yes, another attempt at secular revisionism. I came across a couple interesting tidbits this weekend.

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed the conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?" Thomas Jefferson

He was also visionary when he wrote: "The Constitution...is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape as they please." The Constitution was not to be a malleable object to suffer the changing whims of populism.

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We haved staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the ten commandments." James Madison

Ben Franklin called for each session of the Constitutional Convention to be begun by prayer so that God could them through such momentous events. He also requested that each assembly of Congress be started the same.

The point - a state religion was to be avoided but guidance from religion was necessary for good government, as well as recognition of our Judeo-Christian roots in our government and laws.

Now, was Judge Moore wrong in his refusal to remove the statue. Yes. He was duty bound to follow the writ of the higher court, even if it was wrong.

Was placing the statuary of the Ten Commandments in the courtroom wrong? Not at all. Many court buildings from the beginning of our history have had similar statues. Some now even include Jewish and Muslim religious art works. U.S. law does stem from the Ten Commandments to Roman law to English Law to Colonial Law. The Ten Commandments in a court building is an example of the history of law.

Side note: Somehow people like yourself protest the Ten Commandments but not the Koran or Torah.

The revisionism of the Supreme Court sculpture is an intriguing attack that has cropped up from the Left recently. They had been described that:
"The sculpture over the east portico of the building is entitled: JUSTICE THE GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY. Moses is the central figure holding the two tablets of THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, one in either hand, stark reminder of the origin and basis of our legal system."(Millard, The Rewriting of America's History)
But while the artists usually agree that the figure is Moses, suddenly the two tablets with the I through X numbering has been changed from the tablets that Moses carried to a 'representation of the Bill of Rights.'

Of course, the 1975 official U.S. Supreme Court Handbook, prepared under the direction of Mark Cannon, Administrative Assistant to the Chief Justice, states: “Directly above the Bench are two central figures, depicting Majesty of the Law and Power of Government. Between them is a tableau of the Ten Commandments…” and “To the right of visitors is a procession of historical lawgivers of the pre-Christian era:…” and “To the left are historical lawgivers of the Christian era…” (evidence for Millard's position).

However, this description was removed in 1988 in response to p.c. pressure, giving Lefties an excuse to say look, the Curator does even include the Ten Commandments. It was there - but was censored by a secularist Left. In 1999, the censorship was covered with the brand new magic inclusion that they represented the Bill of Rights.

Inside the chamber is another sculpture that:
"depicts "The Power of Government" and "The Majesty of the Law." Between these two allegorical figures, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS stand out in a position of prominence. The seated figure representing "The Power of Government" has his elbow squarely resting upon God's Ten Commandments, showing from whence our power is derived."(Millard)
Again, the tablets have been magically transformed into the Bill of Rights. Years ago when I was there, the guide said they were the Commandments...go figure. The description was excised and then covered up at the same time as the previous example.

But wait - it gets better: The two tablets with just the Roman numerals is a common Christian religious architecute and art symbol. The Library of Congress has pictures of identical tablets with Roman numerals in many historic churches.

From the Oscar S. Stauss Memorial, Washington, D.C. (by Adolph Weinman - sound familar?)
Weinman's own meaning is: "The grouping represents Justice, portraying Religious Freedom. A reclining, draped damsel leans upon a tablet containing the Ten Commandments in Roman numerals. Her hands are clasped in prayer."
The inscription reads:
"Our Liberty of Worship Is not a Concession Nor a Privilege But an Inherent Right"
The tablet looks exactly the same as at the Supreme Court!

Similar examples can be found in the architecture of the Library of Congress and the National Archives - All described as the Ten Commandments. Besides, there is a second scuplture inside the Supreme Court building that is nothing but Moses and the Ten Commandments.

5 posted on 11/23/2003 6:08:22 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
Straw man- red herring alert.
6 posted on 11/23/2003 7:48:41 PM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: Kerberos
Ker, I'd appreciate it if you'd answer my posts rather
than pinging me to new "articles."

If you can defend your position, by all means, do.
But simply posting up a lot of material doesn't prove your
point.

If you're here to discuss and debate, I'll be happy to engage you - but if all you want is attention - join a cheerleading squad.
7 posted on 11/23/2003 8:09:38 PM PST by Sockdologer
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To: Kerberos
Some people think this is about cramming religion down other people’s throats. They are wrong, for a government that prevents acknowledgment of God is just as coercive as one that demands His acknowledgment. What is best, and what history shows the founders wanted, is a government neither prevents nor demands, but does allow, its officials to acknowledge God Almighty.

I am in favor of “religious neutrality”. True religious neutrality means there is no coercion by the state- in either direction. Officials should not be coerced to acknowledge God, nor should they face coercion to silence His acknowledgement. That is balanced; that is fair; that is what takes government out of the church police business. Right now the Supreme Court of the United States is in the Church Police business- and we want them out of it.

We don’t want a false faith imposed on the people from above. Nor do we want it stifled from above. We simply want justice. We want the Constitution of the United States to be respected rather than twisted – twisted beyond all recognition.

Some people think this is about a piece of rock now in a closet of an Alabama court house. They are also mistaken. That is just a symbol. It is the philosophy behind the removal of that symbol that should concern every citizen. The judges in this nation have told us that, “the state cannot acknowledge God”. THAT is the issue.

There are two radical and opposite concepts of faith and government, each of which will destroy a country, and then there is the middle ground. Our ideas, which have preserved and nurtured this nation, are that middle ground.

The first extreme is that only one belief system is true, so government demands its officials (and sometimes citizens) practice that and nothing else. This radical idea is held by the Taliban. This idea blatantly destroys liberty, and it is the enemy of Christianity. There is no such thing as imposed Christianity. So that’s one extreme.

The other extreme is that government officials are prevented by the state from acknowledging God all. It is based on radical secularism- one God is just as good as another, that is to say, they are all equally irrelevant. Such thinking cannot acknowledge that Mother Teresa’s Catholicism is better and truer than Satanism. Besides being radical and extreme, this philosophy has one more drawback – its just plain stupid. Worse than that, this idea also destroys liberty, not openly, like the Taliban, but subtly. By denying all Gods, it ultimately makes the state out to be god.

Those are the two radical ideas, but there is a third concept of faith and government, one that has been shown to preserve liberty. Its one that allows us to use our common sense and say it’s OK to admit that Mother Teresa’s God is better than Marilyn Manson’s. It’s the position of James Madison, Thomas Jefferson in the main, George Washington, and me right here. Here is the middle ground: Though the state should have no official religion, State officials can acknowledge God - but cannot impose His reverence on any citizen.

This is really not that difficult. There is a difference between a public official acknowledging God and a public official imposing God’s worship on others. That is the middle ground of liberty, and on that ground we stand. By the grace of God, we shall not be moved.

Amazing isn’t it, how some people try to say we are the extremists? Actually we are balanced on the middle ground between religious and secular extremism.

Let me make it plain for them. We have religious extremism, secular extremism, and balance. Religious extremism = government using force to demand its officials and people acknowledge a god. Secular extremism = government using force to prevent its officials and people are from acknowledging God. Balance = officials are allowed to acknowledge God, but no one has to.

Which of those ideas is not extreme? Hint; it’s the one that gets the government out of using force to either establish or prevent religious exercise. We are not the extremists. We are in the middle and the Taliban represents one group of extremists, and unfortunately our Federal courts are at the other extreme. What kind of muddled thinking could possibly conclude that we are the extremists here? We are the ones out to STOP the extremists, on both sides.

It’s really this simple, which of these three words should be in the middle, Demand, Prevent, or Allow? Even a child can see that to allow something to occur is maximizing freedom, and that to demand that something occur is one extreme and to prevent something from occurring is the other extreme. Christians are in the middle, secular and religious extremists oppose us and the middle ground of Liberty. The Taliban wants to demand, the courts want to prevent, and the Christians want to allow.
8 posted on 11/23/2003 8:19:48 PM PST by Ahban
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To: Kerberos
Awesomeon the ping!!! More Socialist/Islamofascist/DNC slimes identified!!!
9 posted on 11/23/2003 8:35:44 PM PST by EUPHORIC (Right? Left? Read Ecclesiastes 10:2 for a definition. The Bible knows all about it!)
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To: CalvaryJohn
Straw man- red herring alert.

Uh oh...his posted article or my response?

I'm guessing the article but I just wanted to make sure. :-)

10 posted on 11/23/2003 9:50:53 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Kerberos
Got another one for you. Federal District Judge Myron Thompson in ruling against More also stated that his ruling did not invalidate ALL decalogues and included the Supreme Court sculptures AS decalogues, meaning that the tablets are the Ten Commandments and not the Bill of Rights.
11 posted on 11/23/2003 10:26:51 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Ophiucus
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We haved staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the ten commandments." James Madison
Madison never said that. It was apparently invented for an inspirational calendar in the late 1950s and attributed to Madison. David Barton picked it up and spread it all over the place as part of his "America's Godly Heritage" presentation. Madison scholars found it to be completely inconsistent with his other writings and asked for a source.

As a result, Barton had to admit that several of the quotations that he had used could not be confirmed.

-Eric

12 posted on 11/24/2003 5:08:39 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Ahban
Some people think this is about cramming religion down other people’s throats. They are wrong, for a government that prevents acknowledgment of God is just as coercive as one that demands His acknowledgment. What is best, and what history shows the founders wanted, is a government neither prevents nor demands, but does allow, its officials to acknowledge God Almighty.
Ours does. It protects the right of all officials to free religious expression on a personal level. Justices and Presidents may attend religious services, and many do. They may even preach their faith at them.

What they may not do is endorse or support specific religious viewpoints in their official status. That is not "free expression", but Establishment.

-Eric

13 posted on 11/24/2003 5:12:24 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Ophiucus
Similar examples can be found in the architecture of the Library of Congress and the National Archives - All described as the Ten Commandments. Besides, there is a second scuplture inside the Supreme Court building that is nothing but Moses and the Ten Commandments.
There's also one of Mohammed.

-Eric

14 posted on 11/24/2003 5:16:01 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Ahban
Well and clearly stated! I agree.
15 posted on 11/24/2003 5:32:11 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: Kerberos
This article is unreasoned, unsupported garbage.

Let's go back to your last thread. You have yet to acknowledge, with reason and honesty, the challenges given you there.

16 posted on 11/24/2003 7:29:15 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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To: Ahban; Kerberos; .30Carbine
Very well said, Ahban. The government that is allowed to coerce in either or any direction will soon expand itself to coerce in every direction. We can look to our own past to see the proof of that.

"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God." Thomas Jefferson
(wasn't he the 'deist' who didn't believe in the metaphysical aspects of Jesus life? Thought so.)

"Resistance to tyranny is resistance to tyranny." TigersEye

Judge Moore lost his job because he wouldn't say what he was told to say; or not say as the case may be. Judge Moore was neither accused nor convicted of violating any law prior to the hearing that removed him from his seat as Chief Justice. How could he have? Congress has, rightly, made no law prohibiting the acknowledgment of God by any citizen of the United States. The Supreme Court itself opens every session with an acknowledgment of God.

17 posted on 11/24/2003 7:55:30 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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To: E Rocc
Madison never said that. It was apparently invented for an inspirational calendar in the late 1950s and attributed to Madison.

I read over the link you provided - interesting. Problem is, nothing was mentioned about it being "invented." It did say it was unconfirmed in a primary source but in character of Madison. I noticed that the 'unconfirmed' quote from Sam Adams had been updated to 'confirmed' so maybe in time, this quote can be found or disproven.

Originally, I saw the quote in a secondary source, lost it, then saw it again in an O'Reilly column attributing it to a letter between Madison and Jefferson. Maybe we should ask O'Reilly which one.

18 posted on 11/24/2003 8:44:52 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: E Rocc
Ours does. It protects the right of all officials to free religious expression on a personal level.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it make any distinction between public and private, personal and official respecting freedom of expression or freedom of speech.

Article. VI.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

What they may not do is endorse or support specific religious viewpoints in their official status. That is not "free expression", but Establishment.

How is it establishment? Endorsment or support of an existing viewpoint hasn't created the view so it isn't establishing it. It doesn't make a law requiring reverence or adherence to a viewpoint so it isn't coercive and therefore establishes no government authority respecting the viewpoint. It doesn't effect the source of the viewpoint so it is neutral respecting a previous or private establishment of religion.

Endorsement and/or support without the means to coerce either acceptance or rejection of a religious view is nothing more than expression. The only means government has to rightly coerce anyone in anything is by the law and there are no laws requiring acceptance or rejection of any religious view. Only Congress can make laws and Congress is expressly prohibited from making any law respecting an establishment of religion.

To prohibit acknowledgment of God in any forum is to make law respecting an establishment of religion. As far as Judge Moore goes he set no precedent on behalf of government in terms of acknowledging God as a higher authority than government. The Declaration of Independence itself does that.

The Declaration of Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...

There it is in black and white: the source of our Rights is our Creator. Define Him/her/it as you will they don't come from men or government. Now here are some of the Rights that it refers to:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Where is there any possible inference of the meaning of the word 'establishment' in the simple acknowledgment of God by prayer, picture display or by display of a monument? 'Express' and 'establish' are not synonyms and mean very different things unless the meaning of 'is' isn't is anymore.

19 posted on 11/24/2003 8:53:54 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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To: E Rocc
Further reading of your source site has revealed:

It was apparently invented for an inspirational calendar in the late 1950s and attributed to Madison

This is untrue. Barton when challenged by critic Barry Hankins was able to show that the quote not only was older than himself but had been in "circulation for generations" and was attributable to an older, non-modern historical text.

As a result, Barton had to admit that several of the quotations that he had used could not be confirmed.

Not true. Barton wrote a second book, as he put it "to raise the bar" and use legal "best evidence." Best evidence goes to primary sources. His previous work with over 750 footnotes had been based on historical texts of the late 1700's through the late 1800's. The second book, 1400 footnotes, used only primary sources and only 14 of the previous quotes, used in much earlier historical works, could not be confirmed in a primary source.

This all happened before the 'Madison scholars' criticized the Madison quote.

20 posted on 11/24/2003 9:02:18 AM PST by Ophiucus
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