[Bobibutu]

The killing of innocents is not and can not ever be justified for any reason.

Bad thinking.

[MeneMeneTekelUpharsin]

All of you are entitled to your opinions, but you do not understand Islam or the culture we are dealing with. I am not going to get into a long debate this evening, but absolutely stand on the proposal and am willing to take the heat for it. We are either going to have to enforce a horrible solution to the killing of our soldiers or pull them all out. No middle ground remains. They are killing 2-3 of our people EVERY day and morale will collapse in a very short period of time.

It is time to do something rather unpleasant, but such is the nature of war. We had to do the same thing in Japan in World War II. Are you going to condemn Truman? Almost every man, woman, child and animal perished in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. It ended the war because they knew we meant business. No, I am not insane. Rather, I am a very determined individual. General Patton accurately stated,

"The purpose of war is not to die for your country. The purpose of war is to make the other poor bastard die for his."

Not a pretty philosophy...but the Axis were extremely afraid of Patton. They knew he meant business. If we are going to go to war, we need to put generals in charge who can win the fight and back them up. Or, we need to surrender or bring our troops home. Trying to apply liberal philosophy to war will eventually cause drastic losses.

[Verginius Rufus]

Agreed, the killing of innocents cannot be justified.

Too bad Bill and Hillary didn't believe that when the interminable Waco siege became a public relations problem.