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Georgia revolt carried mark of Soros
Globe and Mail ^ | Nov. 26, 2003 | MARK MacKINNON

Posted on 11/26/2003 8:14:44 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Tbilisi — It was back in February that billionaire financier George Soros began laying the brickwork for the toppling of Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze.

That month, funds from his Open Society Institute sent a 31-year-old Tbilisi activist named Giga Bokeria to Serbia to meet with members of the Otpor (Resistance) movement and learn how they used street demonstrations to topple dictator Slobodan Milosevic. Then, in the summer, Mr. Soros's foundation paid for a return trip to Georgia by Otpor activists, who ran three-day courses teaching more than 1,000 students how to stage a peaceful revolution.

Last weekend, the Liberty Institute that Mr. Bokeria helped found was instrumental in organizing the street protests that eventually forced Mr. Shevardnadze to sign his resignation papers. Mr. Bokeria says it was in Belgrade that he learned the value of seizing and holding the moral high ground, and how to make use of public pressure — tactics that proved so persuasive on the streets of Tbilisi after this month's tainted parliamentary election.

In Tbilisi, the Otpor link is seen as just one of several instances in which Mr. Soros gave the anti-Shevardnadze movement a considerable nudge: He also funded a popular opposition television station that was crucial in mobilizing support for this week's "velvet revolution," and he reportedly gave financial support to a youth group that led the street protests.

He also has a warm relationship with Mr. Shevardnadze's chief opponent, Mikhail Saakashvili, a New York-educated lawyer who is expected to win the presidency in an election scheduled for Jan. 4. Last year, Mr. Soros personally presented Mr. Saakashvili with the foundation's Open Society Award.

"It's generally accepted public opinion here that Mr. Soros is the person who planned Shevardnadze's overthrow," said Zaza Gachechiladze, editor-in-chief of The Georgian Messenger, an English-language daily based in the capital.

In the eyes of Mr. Soros's employees, it was all done in the name of building democracy. Laura Silber, a senior policy adviser at Open Society, said the foundation sponsored the exchange because "some of the experiences are very translatable" between Georgia and Serbia. In Georgia's current political climate, she said, "it looks more charged than it is."

That's not how Mr. Shevardnadze saw it, however.

"George Soros is set against the President of Georgia," he said during a news conference in Tbilisi a week before his resignation — it was at least the third time during the protests that he had complained about Mr. Soros. He threatened to shut down Open Society's Georgia offices, saying it was not Mr. Soros's business "to get involved in the political processes."

Mr. Bokeria, whose Liberty Institute received money from both Open Society and the U.S. government-backed Eurasia Institute, says three other organizations played key roles in Mr. Shevardnadze's downfall: Mr. Saakashvili's National Movement party, the Rustavi-2 television station and Kmara! (Georgian for Enough!), a youth group that declared war on Mr. Shevardnadze last April and began a poster and graffiti campaign attacking government corruption.

All three have ties to Mr. Soros. According to Georgian press reports, Kmara received a $500,000 (U.S.) start-up grant in April, some of which may have been used during the three weeks of street protests when it bused demonstrators in from the countryside and set up loudspeakers and a giant television screen amid the crowds surrounding the parliament building.

Rustavi-2 got start-up money from Mr. Soros when it launched in 1995 and more funding a year ago when it began the anti-Shevardnadze newspaper 24 Hours.

Observers say that Rustavi-2's role during the protests is hard to overestimate. The channel began its campaign years ago when it produced a popular cartoon called Our Yard, in which the animated president was portrayed as a crooked double-dealer.

The government twice tried to shut down the station after its reporters exposed corruption in various government ministries and Mr. Shevardnadze's inner circle. And it was Rustavi-2 that showed the Georgian people how flawed the Nov. 2 parliamentary election was, broadcasting exit polls conducted by American non-governmental organizations that contradicted the official results. During the protests that followed, it was the channel everyone watched for the latest news.

"They were a tribune," Mr. Bokeria said. "People knew where to get real information. They were informed about the details of the election, when to go into the streets, where and how."

Meanwhile, Mr. Saakashvili, the man expected to replace Mr. Shevardnadze, has a relationship with Mr. Soros that dates back to late 2000, when the financier paid the first of several visits to Tbilisi.

Mr. Soros arrived in the country then at Mr. Shevardnadze's invitation — the two have known each other since the 1980s, when the Georgian was Soviet foreign minister — to set up Open Society Georgia, with the stated aim of building democratic institutions and civil society. On that same trip, however, he met with Mr. Saakashvili and publicly praised a program the then-justice-minister was promoting to tackle the country's corruption problem.

Less than a year later, Mr. Saakashvili quit his post over Mr. Shevardnadze's slow progress in implementing the program and went into opposition. After his departure, Mr. Soros's relationship with Mr. Shevardnadze began to sour.

In mid-2002, Mr. Shevardnadze made his first of many complaints about Mr. Soros's political interference in the country, and shortly afterward, more than a dozen young people stormed the offices of Mr. Bokeria's Liberty Institute, smashing computers and beating up several members of the staff. Mr. Soros responded by suggesting during a news conference in Moscow that Mr. Shevardnadze's government could not be trusted to hold a proper parliamentary election in 2003.

"It is necessary to mobilize civil society in order to assure free and fair elections because there are many forces that are determined to falsify or to prevent the elections being free and fair," Mr. Soros said. "This is what we did in Slovakia at the time of [Vladimir] Meciar, in Croatia at the time of [Franjo] Tudjman and in Yugoslavia at the time of Milosevic."

Mr. Soros's money and seeming good intentions were initially welcomed in former Soviet states when Open Society moved in after the fall of the Iron Curtain, but some of those relationships have since broken down. Ukraine and Belarus expelled Open Society, accusing the organization of political interference, and the foundation's offices in Moscow were raided recently by masked gunmen over an apparent real-estate dispute.

Mr. Soros, whose large-scale currency market interventions have been blamed by some for the 1997 currency crisis in Southeast Asia, has said that his next goal is making sure U.S. President George W. Bush does not win re-election.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: bigcogwheelturns; caucasus; caucasuslist; conspiracy; georgia; otpor; serbia; soros
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1 posted on 11/26/2003 8:14:44 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Mr. Soros, whose large-scale currency market interventions have been blamed by some for the 1997 currency crisis in Southeast Asia, has said that his next goal is making sure U.S. President George W. Bush does not win re-election.
Yikes. This is like some weird-ass James Bond film. Only where is Bond to take out Soros?
2 posted on 11/26/2003 8:17:46 PM PST by Asclepius (karma vigilante)
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4 posted on 11/26/2003 8:21:13 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
How many countries is this guy not welcome in these days? Can't we add this country to the list?
5 posted on 11/26/2003 8:21:32 PM PST by SoDak
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Hey George, ever seen "Doctor Zhivago"? Hint, it's cold in them there hills.
6 posted on 11/26/2003 8:21:57 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Asclepius
If I were into that sort of thing, this Soros guy would make an excellent Anti-Christ type character.
He's rich, powerful, loved by millions of idiots, and no one can really say just what he ever did that was so friggin great as to make him king of the world.

If he ever gets the UN post then I'll be worried.
And I'll have to apologize to the tin-foil hat crowd before he ships me off to the re-education camp in Montana.
7 posted on 11/26/2003 8:22:38 PM PST by Will_Zurmacht
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To: Will_Zurmacht

>>If I were into that sort of thing, this Soros guy would make an excellent Anti-Christ type character.
<<

Having been introduced to him briefly in 97 or 98, he doesn't have enough Charisma to be the AC.

He comes across as a self-important gas bag.

The company I worked for at the time, John Wiley and Sons was doing his book "Soros on Soros" and he was in the office of the publisher. The publisher was having some trouble with her computer, so I was called up to fix it, upon walking in, he "put on the charm" and said "Hi, I'm George Soros". Non Plussed, I said "Hi" and went about fixing the computer.(IBM Client Access problem if I recall)

Upon getting back downstairs, I asked another IT guy "Who is George Soros and why is he such a douchebag?" and he said "DUDE! YOU MET SOROS!!! YOU KNOW WHO HE IS?" etc.
I responded something about like "A self-important blowhard??"

Soros is a wank. A rich wank, but still a wank.

8 posted on 11/26/2003 8:30:08 PM PST by Malsua
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This guy is in everybody's business! Overthrowing the leader of Georgia, funding millions to try to overthrow Bush, and who knows what else. He needs to spend his time trying to overthrow some Arab/Persian leaders (Syria, Iran, etc) if he wants to help the world. But of course, he doesn't see them as the enemy.
9 posted on 11/26/2003 8:32:58 PM PST by Reagan is King
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This guy is obviously trying to be King of the World. He's financed a proposition here in Arizona to legalize drugs, he's interferring in elections all over the world, and I wouldn't be the least suprised if he isn't behind financing the anti-war movement here in the US.

This is an evil man.

10 posted on 11/26/2003 8:34:29 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Well, I'll probably get in trouble for saying this, but I still don't know whom to root for in Georgia. It seems as if there's mud on everyone's hands.
11 posted on 11/26/2003 8:34:47 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Whenever I see this elitist trash bag Soros I am reminded of those two men in the movie trading places who lost everything after being conned by Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd. May George Soros receive the ultimate humiliation that can happen to any rich man, to lose everything and live to see it.
12 posted on 11/26/2003 8:35:58 PM PST by CzarNicky (now with 30% less fat)
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To: Reagan is King
He sees the Orthodox Church as his enemy and has been trying to force the Serbs to abandon plans to re-establish religious education in Serbia.... they had it before the commies.

I think he has similar plans for Georgia.

13 posted on 11/26/2003 8:37:49 PM PST by Lion in Winter
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To: Asclepius

Role model.

14 posted on 11/26/2003 8:42:04 PM PST by JennysCool
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To: Tailgunner Joe
And you wonder why there was such a Dramatic dust-up at the Soros Free Society offices in Moscow recently.

15 posted on 11/26/2003 8:45:10 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Will_Zurmacht
Has anyone pointed out yet that his name is the same forward and backward?
16 posted on 11/26/2003 8:56:54 PM PST by WVNan
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To: McGavin999
He also financed our "Clean Elections" law that helped elect Butch.
18 posted on 11/26/2003 9:00:44 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Soros sounds pretty much like a corporate state socialist -- I bet he and Mussolini would have been pals.
19 posted on 11/26/2003 9:27:02 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: DLfromthedesert
Florida - Albanian and Russian observers sent to monitor American elections
20 posted on 11/26/2003 9:46:12 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Don't forget his other objective: narcoticizing America.
21 posted on 11/26/2003 9:52:22 PM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus
Im still waiting for GLOBAL COOLING ....oops that was the last frewakscare ! WARMING! bahahaha
22 posted on 11/26/2003 10:08:36 PM PST by carlson
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To: WVNan
I have been pointing that the evil SoreA$$'s name is Soros forward and soroS backwards for a few weeks.
23 posted on 11/26/2003 10:17:24 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: onyx; PhiKapMom; Miss Marple; SierraWasp; Shermy; BOBTHENAILER; PhilDragoo
Another Soros story for those who follow the trail of this psycho.
24 posted on 11/26/2003 10:18:45 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: aculeus
He is also a big gun control fanatic.
25 posted on 11/26/2003 10:28:25 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Malsua
The company I worked for at the time, John Wiley and Sons was doing his book "Soros on Soros" and he was in the office of the publisher.

Interesting. I didn't know Wiley published anything except scientific stuff. May I add, Soros is evil!

26 posted on 11/26/2003 10:44:04 PM PST by exDemMom (Happy to be on the side of light.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
I bet he and Lenin would have been pals.


27 posted on 11/26/2003 11:09:49 PM PST by Major_Risktaker (Did you have more freedom in the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's or today?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
George Soros is Public Enemy #1 for anyone who cares about America. This international criminal has villified America and has made it his life objective to tamper with our politics. As a billionaire many times over, he has the capacity to manipulate the elections. I sure hope talk radio and whatever media we can influence will sound the alarm on this sociopath. At very least, Americans can read some of his quotes about this country and then decide if they want to support the party he's funding (the Democrats).
28 posted on 11/27/2003 12:18:17 AM PST by jagrmeister
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To: Reagan is King
Don't forget blackmailing England and winning.
29 posted on 11/27/2003 1:02:42 AM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; CWOJackson
ping
30 posted on 11/27/2003 1:04:30 AM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
He wants to buy the United States.
31 posted on 11/27/2003 1:07:07 AM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Grampa Dave
Another Soros story for those who follow the trail of this psycho.

Actually I'm totally with Soros so long as he's funding democracy movements to topple socialist "presidents-for-life," e.g. Milosevic, Shevardnadze. One only hopes the Open Society Project has translated its materials into Farsi.

32 posted on 11/27/2003 1:12:13 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Will_Zurmacht
This month, GS gave $10 million to ACT and $5 million to Moveon.org to defeat President Bush in 2004
33 posted on 11/27/2003 3:56:10 AM PST by TaxRelief
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Cacophonous; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; ...
[...] his next goal is making sure U.S. President George W. Bush does not win re-election.

Open society bump.

34 posted on 11/27/2003 4:51:08 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Stultis
Actually I'm totally with Soros so long as he's funding democracy movements to topple socialist "presidents-for-life," e.g. Milosevic, Shevardnadze.

Milosevic was not ELECTED for life. There is a term limit in Serbia and he had to run for another office. Soros coup put in power Djinjic who had support in single digits and opened Serbian society for looting - Soros idea of democracy and open society.

Shevardnadze was supported by Soros and only lately the younger Shevardnadze's clones were found to be more useful.

35 posted on 11/27/2003 4:58:46 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Stultis
One only hopes the Open Society Project has translated its materials into Farsi.

To bring shah back into power?

36 posted on 11/27/2003 4:59:53 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Connect the Dots...Soros is into paying for overthrows of Governments, and he Wants to out George W. Bush... maybe, just maybe he is paying for protest against President Bush here in this country... just read of one protest in Pittsburg planned for Dec 2.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1028882/posts?page=1

http://www.legitgov.org/action.html <----- the protest site
37 posted on 11/27/2003 5:06:50 AM PST by AmericanMade1776
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To: A. Pole
If everything else is going to be globalized, it would be expected that politics would get the same treatment. China got involved during the Clinton elections, now Soros in this election. Mob rule (democracy) encourages this type of behavior. Regime change is a two-bladed sword that can hurt both ways.
38 posted on 11/27/2003 5:07:20 AM PST by meenie
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To: Reagan is King
Soros spends millions in Palestine but practically nothing in Israel.
39 posted on 11/27/2003 6:01:34 AM PST by gaspar
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To: Stultis
I haven't seen anything that would make me believe for a milli second that Soros wants to topple any of the Islamofascist thugs like $oddomite and the murdering mullahs of Iran. He loves those guys.
40 posted on 11/27/2003 6:11:06 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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Tolerant and (gag) compassionate liberal abortion worshipper Soros--who backs an "Open Society" --thinks there's nothing wrong with profiting illegally on "insider trading." Soros has also made a bundle pulling currency scams all over the world. Watta guy (snicker).
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Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003
Billionaire Bush Basher Soros Convicted of Insider Trading
Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Billionaire Bush basher George Soros has gotten a lot of press in recent days, mostly over his comments on Monday when he likened President Bush to Adolf Hitler and reiterated his promise to spend whatever it takes to defeat Bush at the polls next year.

But none of the reports mentioned one salient fact: The Democratic Party's great rich hope was convicted of insider trading less than a year ago.

Before Soros announced his intention to bankroll the Dems' bid to topple Bush, press accounts were a lot more candid about his checkered background.

Here's how the Washington Post described the Democrats' Daddy Warbucks five months ago:

"In some parts of the world, Soros, 72, is a mistrusted figure. The Hungarian immigrant made a fortune on Wall Street, and in 1992 was dubbed the 'man who broke the Bank of England' after engaging in a series of speculative transactions that helped devalue the pound."

The Post continued:

"He has been accused of triggering the Asian economic crisis that began in 1997. Last year he was convicted of insider trading in France and fined $ 2.2 million, a ruling he dismissed as 'a queer decision' and promised to appeal."

According to the New York Times, prosecutors in Paris had accused Soros of "buying stakes in four formerly state-owned companies in France, including one of the country's leading banks, Societe Generale, for his Quantum Endowment Fund in 1988 based on confidential information. The stakes were worth a total of about $50 million at the time.

"Two other defendants in the case ... were acquitted. At a hearing [in November 2002], prosecutors recommended fines for all three men, and suggested the $2.3 million figure for Mr. Soros as a minimum penalty."

Now that he's set his sights on presidential politics, Mr. Soros is said to be working closely with former White House deputy chief of staff Harold Ickes, who was at the center of the 1996 Clinton fund-raising scandal.



41 posted on 11/27/2003 6:22:20 AM PST by Liz
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To: Grampa Dave
The good news is that if he keeps screwing around in Russia he will probably end up next to a semtex suitcase on a flight.
42 posted on 11/27/2003 6:28:50 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (SSDD - Same S#it Different Democrat)
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To: Grampa Dave
I haven't seen anything that would make me believe for a milli second that Soros wants to topple any of the Islamofascist thugs like $oddomite and the murdering mullahs of Iran. He loves those guys.

Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Morgan, etc., made their money building America's infrastructure. Yes, they got rich but the country and the world benefitted from the industries they built.

This AINO, on the other hand, made his billions betting on currency exchange rates. He played a zero sum game. For every dollar he made someone else lost.

BTW we should hang the Soros label on whoever runs against W. Call him a Soros-whore.

43 posted on 11/27/2003 6:29:41 AM PST by aculeus (Bring back mr spike!!!!!!)
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To: exDemMom


>>Interesting. I didn't know Wiley published anything except scientific stuff. <<

STM, PRT, College are the main divistions. In fact, this is how the server clusters in the NDS tree were divided. It's all since been migrated away from Novell some time after I left.

The Acronyms mean the following...Science, Technical, Medical(STM), Professional, Reference and Trade (PRT) and College.

Soros's book was done by the PRT division.

For what it's worth, it's a good company to work for but it was the commute into Manhatten that I hated. They've since moved to Hoboken and that's even worse! I go and visit a friend there and gads what a traffic snarl that is.

44 posted on 11/27/2003 6:52:10 AM PST by Malsua
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I can't really say that I'm saddened by the peaceful overthrow of Shevardnadze. It was rather impressive, IMO.

And Milosevic was a butcher.
45 posted on 11/27/2003 7:19:42 AM PST by huck von finn
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To: aculeus; SierraWasp
AINO and now the label a Soros Whore or $oro$ Rat Whore!

I like it.

You, also, posted: "This AINO, on the other hand, made his billions betting on currency exchange rates. He played a zero sum game. For every dollar he made someone else lost."

It is amazing how many so called conservatives on FR do the samething as Soros except they are betting against their country and brag about their profits. It ain't just the gold bugs who hate a good America economy, it is the so called conservative currency speculators.

Have a great Thanksgiving.
46 posted on 11/27/2003 7:34:01 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
If that happens, hopefully the plane will be on the ground and no one in the plane besides $orea$$ and his drug dealers.
47 posted on 11/27/2003 7:43:12 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Something good. This deserves it's own posting but would surely be moved to "chat".

I found it here: http://www.eamonn.com/

Thanksgiving for the indispensable nation

Seeing that some 60 percent of Rainy Day's site visits originate from the USA, it would be churlish indeed to let Thanksgiving pass without giving thanks to all those Americans, not just for those visits, though, but for, well, being there.

In the war on terrorism and in the struggle to liberalize the Middle East, Americans are dying almost daily. No other Western nation is able or willing to fight the huge civilizational conflict that's now upon us. That may sound a bit dramatic, a bit apocalyptic, perhaps, but the war within Islam threatens not just peaceful Muslims, it threatens all of us because when fanaticism is combined with modern technology borders become irrelevant. In the coming years, this war will be fought in countries such as Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Indonesia. The stakes are very, very high and that's why the struggle in Iraq is so critical.

So, today, let us give thanks for America, the principal guarantor of a global democratic order. For those countries who have long congregated under American protection, and for those newly liberated states that cannot survive without it, the United States is the one, truly indispensable nation.

Happy Thanksgiving to you.

48 posted on 11/27/2003 7:43:16 AM PST by aculeus
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To: aculeus; Liz; SierraWasp; BOBTHENAILER; Shermy
aculeus has a great suggestion here, but we shouldn't limit it to the final Rat candidate. They are all whores to $oro$ and none are complaining about this super rich elite lefty billions.

BTW we should hang the Soros label on whoever is running for the rat top position. Call him/her a Soros-whore or as I suggested: A $oreA$$ Rat Whore

49 posted on 11/27/2003 7:47:09 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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To: aculeus
Thanks for posting this. It is interesting that the author didn't mention Iran or Syria as sites of future wars against terrorism.
50 posted on 11/27/2003 7:49:44 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Sore@US, the Evil Daddy War bucks, has owned the Demonic Rats for decades!)
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