LINGUISTICS: Early Date for the Birth of Indo-European Languages

Science Magazine ^ | 2003-11-28 | Michael Balter

[Styria]

I sat in a little bit of a course on Proto-Indo-European. That professor said that Hittite is a sister language of that one, not one of its daughters, with the common ancestor Proto-Indo-Hittite.

[LiteKeeper]

What language would that have been?

Whatever language God chose to converse with Adam. Perhaps what came to be known as Hebrew, but there is no way to know.

Perhaps your concern is to the historicity of this claim. There is no reason to believe that this did not happen, except, of course, to deny the historicity of the Book of Genesis. You are certainly welcome to do so, but no less an authority than Jesus attested to the historicity, not only of Genesis, but of Adam himself.

[blam]

"john mcwhortten "the power of bable" (2002)"

I have that book. I started it but didn't find it very intresting. Maybe I'll try again.

[blam]

"Here ya go guys."

Thanks, I knew someone was smart enough to figure out how to post it.

[Scenic Sounds]

You probably knew this already.

LOL. Oh, of course I did . . .

NOT!! ;-)

[muawiyah]

I used to think the "old stories" in the Bible came strictly out of the experience of the ancient Hebrews or other peoples of the Near Middle East. No doubt those folks left their tracks all over the place.

More recently I discovered that the Saami (Laplanders), who had little contact with anyone outside their own circles of reindeer chasers until about 1000 years ago, left cliff and cave drawings which can be "dated" back before the existence of Hebrews or any of the Semitic languages.

Some folks think these guys were in place fishing out of the Arctic Ocean as long as 10,000 years ago (although none of their drawings date that old), and possibly were there during the last big glaciation.

The ancient cliff drawings are representations of various "stories". There are some "husband selecting" stories that are much more in line the tale of Lot and his daughters than just about anything else you can think of.

It's pretty easy to find these things on the internet if anyone has an interest.

If "Adam" is Biblically clocked as preceeding "Lot" and we can postulate that the Biblical chronologies are spiritually correct, it is possible the "flood" being discussed occurred at the end of the last Ice Age (14000 years ago) and not at the time of the flooding of the Black Sea basin (a mere 7500 years ago).

The story of Adam being driven out of Eden (and barred from that place by an angel bearing a flaming sword) would also preceed the desertification of the Sahara, and the last previous desertification would be some time during the last glaciation.

Thor Hyerdahl and other ethnologists proposed that the stories of "Bifrost Giants" current in ancient Norwegian tales probably arose during the last Ice Age, thereby demonstrating that a rollicking good story has a long shelf-life!

[SunkenCiv]

S.M. Stirling from Santa Fe, NM -- A recent edition of "British Archaeology" noted that the ideological prejudice against the idea of population movements among British archaeologists had gotten to the point where some postgraduate student would soon come up with a paper 'proving' that the first humans in Britain weren't immigrants at all, but purely indigenous, symbolically transformed reindeer. [Amazon reader review]

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Archaeology and Language: The Puzzle of Indo-European Origins by Colin Renfrew

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[SunkenCiv]

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[Ptarmigan]

I kind of that ear for language. I can the difference between language. Anatolia is present day Turkey. I know Turkish is not an Indo-European language.

[Henchman]

8700 years ago coincides with the exact date the Tower of Babble being destroyed by advancing Republican forces. Indeed, "linguists prefer a competing theory, which traces Indo-European languages to Kurgan horsemen in southern Russia about 6000 years ago." Kurgan is closely related to Klingon.

[PoorMuttly]

Muttly family tradition states that it was started by a talking dog who sold pistacio nuts from a flying carpet...but I digress.....

Ain't science great?!

Actually, me love this stuff...very exciting to be living in this time. Postulate ON, ye humans. (we get a kick out of it)

[RightWhale]

try the Garden

Afghanistan? Possible.

[bannie]

nah, that'll kill the tongue. You just obtain a plug. Then fill it in with a bar and call it a piercing.

:p

:D

[SunkenCiv]

a couple of graphics posted somewhere on FR by FReeper Cronos, each one set to width of 600 (try opening each one in new window if that bugs you):

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[eugenrau]

I made some personal searches regarding IE-languages.Some of my preliminary results are:
1.The sumero-tamil language is the main contributor to the forming of IE-languages.It was the most IE-type language of his time.It is containing many basic components later found in IE-languages.
2.The second contributor is proto-akkadian.The sumerian and akkadian areas and languges overlapt.
3.As one must notice,the sanskrite and akkadian-like word roots are the main componets found in IE-languages and the proofs are overhelming.
4.I am suspecting:
-An very early austric infussion in Iberia.
-An early infusion of proto-sumerian in Danube area.
-The very place of final shping of IE-languages was in Mediterranean area.This could not been possible without the contact with afro-semitic and proto-iberian languages.
-The kurgans possible introduced only proto-slavic languages to Europe and not IE-languages proper.
5.The place of origin of latines/letoones is close to Lycia.They entered Europe very early and in Danubian area diverged in some 3 branches.
I am waiting your feed-bac to my notices. ing. Rau Eugen,Romania eugen_rau@hotmail.com

[SunkenCiv]

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[IrishBrigade]

‘There is no reason to believe that this did not happen, except, of course, to deny the historicity of the Book of Genesis’

since Genesis delivers up two differing accounts of the Creation, skepticism is certainly on the table concerning its historicity...