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1 posted on 11/28/2003 11:04:25 AM PST by PeteFromMontana
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To: PeteFromMontana
This is NOW B.S. There are just as many men that are at risk of being murdered by cheating wives and girlfriends than men.
2 posted on 11/28/2003 11:20:27 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: PeteFromMontana
What a pile of liberal media, lying radical feminist scare tactics clap-trap !!!

It all translates to keep on sending us those taxpayer-funded cheques to support our Marxist anti conventional families crusade.

Countless well-documented studies have more than proven that so-called "domestic violence" isn't a gender-based issue.

Why would any "consevative" post such an article - at least without comment ???

Promoting gender hatred long ago replaced pushing class hatred as the radical left's first weapon of choice!

3 posted on 11/28/2003 11:22:36 AM PST by GMMAC
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To: PeteFromMontana
...which explains why Hillary spent yesterday in Iraq surrounded by soldiers.
4 posted on 11/28/2003 11:31:14 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: PeteFromMontana; joanie-f; snopercod
Is the toilet seat up or down? Up or down?

"There I was, minding my own business," she said, "when 'out of the blue,' he ..."

If there are truly solid, not Ph.D.-guesstimated, indications of trouble, and the woman in unaware, why is she so unaware?

I have a friend who has for many years flirted on the edge of it. She's completely aware of the danger, but two things are in her way --- and neither is the husband.

First, she likes the money, the income.

Second, she ignores the danger.

I cannot generalize on that basis, alone, but I have seen other women hanging around dangerous men.

Those women do it because of their need for security in the "home life of their youth;" whether or not they really had love in the home in which they grew up, they want to return to the security --- no matter how threatening --- and thus they marry somebody who drinks, "like daddy did."

Those women also are dreamers in the sense that they position the man in their life, within the realm of the dreams they have, the hopes they have, instead of facing him and learning and admitting to themselves, who he is.

Who is this person? How many people, man or woman, ask that and seek to know ... before they get hitched?

Then comes the phone call from the security detail at some shopping mall, the high-class store, and "Do you know that your husband shops here and for the umpteenth time, he has bounced two credit cards before writing a check that has, again, bounced?"

"No, I did not know that," she said; but she went on with him.

I'm not talking about the kind of men that the Ph.D. wants all women to get into a panic about --- namely every guy out there who drops his tool bag with a loud "CRASH!" ... and then the woman streaks off to said Ph.D., hysterically shrieking about "THE SIGNS!"

Nope.

I'm talking about the male shark, such as Bill Clinton, and his kind; the real cold-hearted ego-centric black holes that suck up all the love around them.

Bill married Hillary because she is a bigger tyrant than he is --- he knew that he was safe with her, that when his temper went awry, he would be no threat to her greater ego. Therein, two deadly people who know each other well enough to be left alone in the same room, while all apearances are that they are "a couple."

I'm talkin' about the couples where only one of the two, has that monstrous ego. When the other half either ignores it, misunderstands it, or thinks that he/she can somehow control it ... because he/she is smart enough, or crazy (tragically unaware) enough to try and live that way.

Well, sorry for the explanation taking up so much space, but I do not think that the professors in the above study, are really interested in discovering the truly dangerous man. Because the story has various signs of only trying to cause women to be afraid of the unknown.

While on the other hand, I'm claiming that a woman not only does not have to live in fear, but she can dare to study the men around her, and instead of being coy or trying to manage who does, and who does not, come near her (and "in her space"), she wisely studies men, and the men around her, and the man in her life.

To get to know, men in some dimensions other than the fantasy twirling in the woman's head.

Because foremost, women should learn to understand a man's strengths and the discipline pertaining thereto, lest women ignorantly assign all the categories of a man's behavior, into the lump sum of "Oh! That's violent and 'meanspirited'" and then she calls her shrink on the cell phone while negotiating a left turn away from the curb in rush hour traffic, a cigarette pinched between the fingers of the hand that has the palm that is pressing on the steering wheel but cannot negotiate getting by the rear bumper of the car just ahead of her's, while her left front corner is jutting out into traffic ... and this is taking ten minutes for her because she will not put down the cell phone, because she's in a big hurry to get home by 4:00 P.M. and watch Oprah and all the ladies in the audience who will surely nod their heads up and down several times through the show.

By all means, women are indeed a risk --- because they do not focus on what is really going on around them, most of which, is in which, they are are participating, but they should not like to accept the personal accountability and responsibility.

So they go to bed goo-goo eyed and wake up wondering who is in bed with them, and did she want to "sleep with this guy" or not, in which case, should she place another cell phone call, but to Gloria Allred?

I sure do long for women of uncommon valor, the kind that American women seemed to once have, quite in common, but that, has been skewered by our societal-engineering managers in Ph.D. clothing, the "liberal media," and the Democrat Party ... not to mention that State wherein its Supreme Court just decided that Abigail Adams was in complete disagreement with here husband's views regarding "same sex marriage."

Beam me up, Mr. Trafficant.

5 posted on 11/28/2003 11:53:58 AM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: PeteFromMontana
The "Battered Women's Movement" has become a cottage industry that can only thrive by convincing more and more women that they are abused, and showing unhappily married women the strategic advantage of accusing their husband of domestic violence in order to gain the assets of the marriage.

My ex actually hit herself in the head with a rock and tried to claim I did it. The fact that I showed the investigating officer the rock, I'm a paraplegic, and her story cracked under questioning resulted in her being charged instead.

When I saw her hitting herself in the heads with the rock, I joked that there must be a more efficient method of committing suicide. Then I called 911.

She spent the night in the Hoosegow in an orange suit and pled guilty, but later had her plea rescinded and got a plea.

I sent her a Mylar orange jumpsuit with the county jail logo stenciled on it last year on the anniversary of the divorce.

Her attempt to frame me came after she became "friends" with the local witch who runs the battered women’s shelter. I have since been observing this nonprofit group and found that they have added 6 fulltime employees - this in a small Montana town of 7,000 and a county of 16,000.

6 posted on 11/28/2003 11:56:01 AM PST by Vidi_Vici_Vinnny (An armed man is a Citizen. An unarmed man is a Subject.)
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To: PeteFromMontana
Having been the recipient of domestic violence and stalking, I suppose I better not comment on this since according to the responses here, I am the either the perp or a lying liberal witch.
8 posted on 11/28/2003 12:06:07 PM PST by ladyinred (The Left have blood on their hands!)
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To: PeteFromMontana
A look back at warning signs for 30 women who survived an attempted homicide by an intimate partner revealed that 14 did not know their lives were at risk, and said they were "completely surprised" by the attack.
Most attacks occurred around the time that women tried to end the relationship. And while nearly all women had experienced previous episodes of abuse and violence from their partners, not all instances had been severe.

Excuse me but these women are about as sharp as a pound of liver.

Allow me to go over the rules.

If they hit you once they will hit you again.

If they hit you again they have no self control

If they have no self control and you tell them that you are going to leave they might try to kill you.

Are we clear on that ladies and gentlemen? Denial of these rule may get you killed. Worse it may get your kids killed.

11 posted on 11/28/2003 12:18:32 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I shot an arrow in the air. / Where it falls I do not care. / I buy my arrows wholesale)
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To: PeteFromMontana
One of these days, Alice, one of these days!
13 posted on 11/28/2003 12:24:38 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Chilling Effect-1, Global Warming-0)
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To: PeteFromMontana
I wonder if there's a Maori word for "propaganda" ...
17 posted on 11/28/2003 12:39:56 PM PST by Yeti
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To: PeteFromMontana
Many of these problems are brought on by women themselves.

They choose to date men who have excessively aggressive or violent tendencies.

Then they get upset when they act excessively aggressive or violent.

Granted, there are certianly exceptions to this, but not to the degree that the man-hating feminists and their willing whores in the media portray.

The solution to 'domestic violence' is simple. Women should stop putting out to violent men who beat them. And the men of the community should either socially shun or kick the asses of other men who abuse their wives/girlfriends.

For the case when that doesn't work, women should arm themselves and be prepared to defend themselves.

Bus instead of the 'simple' solution, we now have procedures which don't help anyone. Under the current system, no one (except for the feminists who milk the system and the divorce lawyers) really wants to get involve in a domestic situation because all too often the two parties involved will get back together, and turn on the intervening third party.

Many women also used the 'battered wife' excuse as a prelude to a favorable divorce settlement. This route often wreaks havoc on the male in the process. This hurts not only the men who get screwed by the system, but also the decent guys who are reluctant to enter a committed relationship since they don't want to take the risk of having their lives destroyed by a vindictive woman.

In the long run, this also hurts decent women, since fewer men are willing to enter into a committed relationship.

26 posted on 11/28/2003 12:58:40 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: PeteFromMontana
In the report, published in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, Nicolaidis and her colleagues note that homicide is the leading cause of death among African-American women between the ages of 15 and 34, and up to half of all women who are murdered are killed by an intimate partner.

Perhaps these women should stop sleeping with gang-bangers and drug dealers? As a clue, men who are violent in their day-to-day lives do not suddenly mellow out when they're with their girlfriends

28 posted on 11/28/2003 1:02:42 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: PeteFromMontana
Accusations of physical abuse by the wife, is a common element of divorce proceedings here in MD. The tactic is actually coached by the divorce lawyers. It is used as a negotiating tool in arriving at the settlement agreement and generally works to the wife's advantage.

Seen it many times, my ex attempted it, but was unsuccessful since my lawyer had described to a "T" what was about to happen.

Once the acusation has been made and charges filed, the women will seldom come clean and admit to the lie. Even after the divorce is final.

Spite in divorce seems to be boundless for women.

One of the really tragic effects of this in my area is the false statistics of spousal abuse create a very questionable picture of the actual problem.

33 posted on 11/28/2003 1:24:59 PM PST by There's millions of'em (Bill Clinton was a great Democrat President)
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To: PeteFromMontana
A look back at warning signs for 30 women who survived an attempted homicide by an intimate partner revealed that 14 did not know their lives were at risk, and said they were "completely surprised" by the attack.

This is fascinating stuff.
It means that 16 out of 30 had a suspicion or other clue.
Yet they stayed put?

Shouldn't the headline read "OVER HALF OF WOMEN IN A RELATIONSHIP ARE CLUELESS"?

37 posted on 11/28/2003 1:48:47 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: PeteFromMontana
"World to end tomorrow -- women, people of color hardest hit"
40 posted on 11/28/2003 1:54:15 PM PST by pabianice
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To: PeteFromMontana
There are a lot of good books, for concerned parents, on this topic.

Saving Beauty from the Beast is especially helpful.

62 posted on 11/28/2003 3:05:51 PM PST by syriacus (In this world there's matter, antimatter, and ANTIFACT. Schumer is an expert on antifacts.)
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