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To: samtheman
Yes, both were evil and socialist, but is that where the analysis ends? Maybe we can explore what Dante desribed as the Circles/Levels of Hell and Evil. The NSDAP-types wanted living space and a new order in Europe (their own circle of Hell as it were) and the destruction of a greater evil that was Stalinist Bolshevism (without the threat of Stalin the NSDAP would have remained a marginal party and may never have gotten into power). Every communist to this day wants to either rule the world, destroy it to rebuild it (Political Nihilist/Anarchist/Trotskyite/Mao/Pot), or push the world towards their vision of a Utopia (or Hell, in fact). While the Nazi ideology was based on race and state socialism as an end-state -- in central and northern Europe, the communist ideology sees socialism as a transition phase in a WORLD permanently in a class war. Communism is an ideology of class-based war, militant anti-racism and anti-nationalism(internationalism), militant atheism, and terror/terrorism (as Lenin said many times over). There is a qualitative difference to the scope and depth of the evil, megalomania, and terror. Even Churchill, in a war with Germany at the time, pushed to invade Russia (Caucasus) and send troops to Finland (to take on Stalin FIRST) only to have Finland sign an armistice with Stalin at the last moment in March 1940. While H was still speaking on soap-boxes, Lenin and Trotsky were plotting how to start a SECOND WORLD WAR. While Germany was plotting to redraw the map of Europe, Stalin and his thugs were plotting how to start WW2. While we licked our wounds from a proxy war in Korea, Stalin (according to one fascinating new book) was plotting in 1953 to start WWIII. I doubt any Nazi could have conceived of saying what Mao is reported (by Andrei Gromyko in his memoirs) to have said to Khrushchev in 1960 -- to paraphrase, start a global nuclear war because at the end of the day China will only lose a billion people and still have 500MM to rule the world (or have an unstable nut like Castro urge Khrushchev to launch a preemptive nuclear strike during the Cuban missile crisis, which would have triggered a war resulting in the annihilation of Cuba [he was thus offering up the entire nation of Cuba as a revolutionary sacrifice]). To get back to the Circles of Hell analogy...the NSDAP was the largest evil "spawn" in a circle of Hell that includes Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il-Sung/Kim Jong-Il, and other lesser demons -- none of which would have existed had it not been for the three beasts of Hell (Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky). By equating the spawn to the Beast or Empire of the Anti-Christ (an oft-used description from 1920s Europe), you make an argument that sounds reasonable in the Leftist PC culture of America today, but "objectively" actually does communism a favor (as the PC thugs want). Communism was, and is, the darkest evil in the modern world -- period.
54 posted on 12/01/2003 2:30:25 AM PST by CaptIsaacDavis (.)
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To: CaptIsaacDavis
I agree with everything you said. And you are further correct in saying that I equate Communism and Naziism in an attempt to get the attention of the Left. The reason I do that is because there are parts of the American Left who really believe that they are representatives of all that is good and wonderful on planet earth and that all they care about is loving others and helping the poor and that if there were no Hitlers around, we would all love each other and help the poor. By emphasizing Hitler's essential socialist world-view, I am attempting to point out to them the historic association they have with Hitler, who is their own chosen model for Most Evil.

But between us, yes, of course. Hitler was a neophyte in the arts of mass murder. For one thing, his regime was doomed to failure. It was like totalitarianism on meth-amphetamine. Could not possibly have lasted.

Communism, on the other hand, is still murdering large numbers of people today (N Korea) and would still be a global force if it hadn't been for the USA, led by the Ronald the Great.
61 posted on 12/01/2003 3:01:18 AM PST by samtheman
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