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God’s Woman Trouble b/w The Bible’s Lost Stories (Newsweek Articles)
Newsweek ^ | Dec. 8, 2003 | Kenneth L. Woodward and Barbara Kantrowitz and Anne Underwood

Posted on 12/01/2003 12:56:57 PM PST by nickcarraway

Edited on 12/01/2003 1:02:11 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: My2Cents
Jesus drives a TR-3. I get this from the verse which states, "And God's triumph sounded through Israel."

And if He did, I bet He still had trouble keeping it running.

21 posted on 12/01/2003 1:39:06 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: r9etb
"And yet remarkably shallow, as in nearly bereft of useful information."

lol. Wasn't speaking of information when I said it was getting deep... .

22 posted on 12/01/2003 1:39:59 PM PST by Ff--150 (that we through His poverty might be rich)
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To: My2Cents
Bingo. He told the first lie....and it was about the Word of God. It's been downhill ever since....because man bought the original lie.
23 posted on 12/01/2003 1:44:23 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Blue Screen of Death
And if He did, I bet He still had trouble keeping it running.

True. Why do you think he walked around so much?

24 posted on 12/01/2003 1:48:03 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: anniegetyourgun
And man is STILL buying the lie. There's nothing new under the sun.
25 posted on 12/01/2003 1:49:06 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: nickcarraway
It seems many would like to deny the existence of Mary Magdalene altogether, if they could.
The fact remains however, that she is an important part of the story of Jesus, and historical research has shown she is / was much more important than we recognize today.

The recent discovery of the Magdalene scrolls in Eastern Egypt are just one instance.

One cannot deny the biblical passage relating Mary's washing of the feet of Jesus, and the oiling and drying of his feet with her own hair.
This was the act of a man's wife, and upset the female members of Jesus family to no end, yet Jesus rebuked them, and said it was her right.

Likewise, one cannot deny that Mary Magdalene was at the foot of the cross with the rest of Jesus family to recieve his body.
History buffs may confirm or deny, but I recall from somewhere, that Roman Law refused the presence of any but "immeadiate family" at the foot of the cross.
Thus, Mary Magdalene could only be there if she was represented at least, as Jesus wife, something that would be publicly known by many at the time.

These points were made to me more than 40 years ago, and I have had no problem with them in all that time.
I consider this discussion more one of historical accuracy than of Political Correctness or some Feminist Agenda, although I would not preclude feminism's wanting to find some sort of "validation" for their movement in that history.
I am sure the feminists are willing to use facts when they fall to their advantage.

26 posted on 12/01/2003 1:51:11 PM PST by Drammach
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To: drstevej; snerkel; RnMomof7; CCWoody; Frumanchu; CARepubGal; irishtenor; rwfromkansas
Calvinist Swarm ping
27 posted on 12/01/2003 1:57:06 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: HarleyD
I recall an ad out not long ago about what car Jesus would drive. The liberals wanted him driving a subcompact but I don't know what he would do with his twelve disciples.

I'm not sure about Christ, but I think the disciples would drive a Honda. I found this to prove my point ...

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
28 posted on 12/01/2003 1:58:17 PM PST by tang-soo
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To: My2Cents
It's amazing to me that people who never give credence to the Bible, nor claim to follow its teachings, nevertheless want to twist it with myth and fantasy in order to have it fit their viewpoints.

Indeed. If they really viewed the Bible as some archaic, man-made book of stories, they'd shrug and go on about their business without worrying about it. Instead they try to re-interpret or just plain re-write it, because it galls them that anyone else believes it.

One example, the 'historical Jesus' project where self-described 'scholars' go through the New Testament accounts and identify which parts they think Jesus really said/did, and which parts He didn't (using no evidence except their own preferences)... if the Bible isn't reliable, and Jesus wasn't divine, then why do they CARE what some guy really said 2,000 years ago?

29 posted on 12/01/2003 1:58:59 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: My2Cents
"Jesus drives a TR-3"

Nope. He drives his 12 passenger van. Or a 'Christ'ler.
30 posted on 12/01/2003 2:10:46 PM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: Sloth
if the Bible isn't reliable, and Jesus wasn't divine, then why do they CARE what some guy really said 2,000 years ago?

In fact, I don't care what most scholars might have said yesterday.

31 posted on 12/01/2003 2:12:05 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: Drammach
One cannot deny the biblical passage relating Mary's washing of the feet of Jesus

How do we know this was Mary Magdalene?

32 posted on 12/01/2003 2:13:29 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: jtminton
LOL...
33 posted on 12/01/2003 2:13:48 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: nickcarraway
It's hip boots time!

It's interesting to see all of this speculation come out through The DaVinci Code, an amusing if implausible novel. Little of the supposed revelations about Christ and Christianity were very surprising, however.

Years ago, I read the Gospel of Thomas, Piagel's on the Gnostic Gospels, The Lost Books of the Bible and the Forgotten Books of Eden and acquainted myself with much of the lore of Western Occultism, from tales of the Grail to the Templars and Masons, the Rosecrucians, Illuminati on through the British and American occultists of the 19th and 20th centuries, which included such figures as Yeats and Conan Doyle, and many others.

There's a whole world of lore out there, some of it ancient, some more recent. What does seem to be true is that the present Canon was decided at the Council of Nicea and that there was widespread disagreement on whether certain books ought to be in or not. Some of what was rejected has been lost, other books are around, but not widely available. What also seems to be true is that there is a Hebrew tradition, the Kabala, in which the Divine is understood to have both masculine and feminine natures -- often represented by the famous pillars, Joachim (spelt variously) and Boaz.

The connection of both the Jews and Christianity with Egypt is also a curious point. Anyone who is even remotely familiar with the stories of Isis and Osiris knows there are paralells with the Mary and Jesus.

None of this, in my mind, takes anything away from the miracle of Jesus' birth, life, death and resurection, but I think many Christians, who immediately denounce any inquiry into these matters make themselves look foolish and ignorant.

34 posted on 12/01/2003 2:13:59 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: nickcarraway
I don't know where this prostitute thing ever came into being regards Mary Magdalene. I believe it was the custom of the time that only people of importance had the name of their town attached to their name.

Knowing that I always assumed she was a wealthy business woman, not a prostitute.
35 posted on 12/01/2003 2:22:07 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: My2Cents
We don't, anymore than we know she is the same Mary Magdelene Jesus told to "go and sin no more".
There are some biblical scholars that will argue that she is that same woman, and some that argue she is not.
I personally believe she is that same woman.

Part of the present controversy is whether there was more than one "Mary" of Magdala, or if all instances /references apply to one woman.

We do have a few writings and documents that refer to her as a disciple, and if they are "historically accurate", then she played a far greater role in the birth of christianity than the present bible portrays.

36 posted on 12/01/2003 2:26:27 PM PST by Drammach
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To: Drammach
I would not preclude feminism's wanting to find some sort of "validation" for their movement in that history.

How about Paul's comment in Gal. 3:28 -- "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." This verse would seem to cut racism, classism, slavery, and sexism all off at the knees.

37 posted on 12/01/2003 2:29:59 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: Geist Krieger
Leonardo Da Vinci was an open flaming homosexual. He and some of his homo buddies and illumanitti pals...

Can you document any of this?

38 posted on 12/01/2003 2:33:43 PM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: Romulus
I think Da Vinci was a metrosexual.
39 posted on 12/01/2003 2:36:22 PM PST by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again...")
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To: MissAmericanPie
I believe the idea of Mary's being a prostitute is pretty much a made-up thing.
Whatever it was, it was considered sinful according to Judaic Law. ( "go and sin no more" )

It is not specified what she did to anger the people, and one must remember, middle eastern customs such as "honor killings" pre-date Islam by hundreds if not thousands of years.
Remember that in such cultures, even a victim of rape is considered sinful and subject to stoning.

Much like Ruth, I see her as a strong minded woman, unlikely to meekly submit to the abuse of any man.
It was only to someone like Jesus that she could completely sacrifice her very soul and will.

40 posted on 12/01/2003 2:42:15 PM PST by Drammach
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