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Israel: Canadian admits to planning attacks in N. America: DON'T IGNORE THIS
Ha'aretz ^ | Last Update: 06/12/2003 00:13 | Reuters

Posted on 12/05/2003 2:31:15 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl

OTTAWA - Israel's embassy in Canada said on Friday that a Canadian had confessed to planning attacks in North America on behalf of the Palestinian militant group Hamas, prompting an angry Ottawa to say it would reprimand the Israeli ambassador.

Canadian officials said they were also unhappy with the way Israel had responded to complaints about how 23-year-old Palestinian-born Jamal Akkal was being interrogated and were unaware of any confession he might have made.

Israeli Ambassador Haim Divon told reporters that Akkal confessed at a court hearing on Thursday that he been recruited by Hamas "to carry out terrorist attacks" against Jewish and Israeli targets.

A Canadian foreign ministry spokesman said Ottawa -- which sent two consular officials to the hearing -- was unaware of any confession and added that Divon should not have spoken about the case while Akkal was under investigation in Israel.

"The ambassador is going to be called in. A senior official at the department is going to meet with him early next week and will tell him ... that any comment [like those] made yesterday is totally unacceptable," said spokesman Reynald Doiron.

"Our embassy has been instructed to keep pursuing vigorously the matter with the Israelis ... to express our strong objections to the statements made yesterday by the Israeli ambassador," he told reporters in a conference call.

No one at the Israeli embassy in Ottawa was immediately available for comment.

Israeli security forces arrested Akkal last month on suspicion of being a member of Hamas.

The Israeli embassy said in statement that "among the scenarios that were planned [were] attaching an explosive device to vehicles, shooting attacks, [the] assassination of a visiting Israeli official in Canada".

Akkal's lawyer, Jamil al-Qhateb, told CBC radio that Israel has used "psychological torture" to get his client to confess. He said Akkal was kept awake for 20 days and was forced to sign a confession in Hebrew, a language he does not speak.

"We are very concerned about Mr Akkal's situation," a second Canadian official told the briefing.

"We attempted to express to the Israeli authorities our frustration and our concern about this interrogation process. We were met with passing the buck, basically, and Israeli officials did not answer those concerns directly."

Doiron said that at Thursday's court hearing the defense and prosecution had agreed to extend the probe into Akkal's case for another 15 days.

"We cannot confirm there was a confession ... our representatives who were at the hearing have confirmed that at no time was there any question of Mr Akkal or his lawyer making a confession," he said.

Al-Qhateb said Akkal -- whose family members said had gone to the occupied territories to find a wife -- acknowledged meeting a man who might have had links to Hamas and had also fired eight bullets from an automatic weapon during his time in Gaza.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Canada; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: akkal; antisemite; antisemtism; canada; canadianterrorism; divon; domesticterrorism; hamas; islam; israel; jamalakkal; jihadnextdoor; muslim; religion; religiousintolerance; terrorism; terrorist; waronterror; wot
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Is everyone following this? CANADA is showing their FRENCH/E.U. propensity to cower in fear of the islamic terrorist threat and scold the good guys.

Questions: When is the last time Israel was wrong when it accused someone of being linked to Hamas?

Do the Canadians speak Arabic? Can they go undercover as Arabs? The Israelis CAN.

1 posted on 12/05/2003 2:31:15 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
BTTT
2 posted on 12/05/2003 2:34:39 PM PST by EggsAckley (..................."Dean's got Tom McClintock Eyes".........................)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Sshhh. It's potentially more damaging to Bush if you blame the Mexicans.
3 posted on 12/05/2003 2:35:37 PM PST by PRND21
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To: Cinnamon Girl; Angelus Errare; Shermy; seamole; Coop
There were a couple of flights diverted in Canada recently because the Israelis warned the Canadians that someone was going to shoot them down....this explains that now..
4 posted on 12/05/2003 2:36:43 PM PST by Dog (George W. Bush - - - -" Avenger of the Bones..")
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To: Cinnamon Girl
"OTTAWA - Israel's embassy in Canada said on Friday that a Canadian had confessed to planning attacks in North America on behalf of the Palestinian militant group Hamas, prompting an angry Ottawa to say it would reprimand the Israeli ambassador."

WHAT??? What total, total idiots.
5 posted on 12/05/2003 2:36:52 PM PST by diamondjoe
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To: PRND21
I don't get your comment.
6 posted on 12/05/2003 2:39:38 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Cinnamon Girl
The wife scenario is a cover! Hamas in Canada and America are well networked! Remember the four that came over a year ago - the FBI issued a look out - they are still on the loose in America. There are so many safe houses (condos) in America for these Hamas they are virtually free to move about the country! Wish the FBI would do a sweep through Virginia like the Army of Northern Agression!
7 posted on 12/05/2003 2:42:39 PM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Amazing how people cower before Islam.

Pali's kill people, it's a cultural thing. You should see the MTV Palestinian style over here, videos of children throwing rocks at Jews and brave children commiting suicide for the State of Palestine.

Sick puppies, the latest polls by the Palestinians themselves claim that around 80% of children 14 and below prefer to be a suicide bomb than to live.

In three short years of the Islamic propaganda machine they have turned out 300,000 suicide bombs from the schools.

And the Canadians are outraged because Israel caught one!?

I wonder how many mosques are being built in Canada as I type...

8 posted on 12/05/2003 2:48:13 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I think that people don't understand how important Israel is to us. They are America's best friend when it comes to dealing with terrorists. Canada needs to wake up and take a cold shower.
9 posted on 12/05/2003 2:51:18 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (I'd rather have dead rats in my walls, than Hillary for President.,)
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To: American in Israel
Just curious, how much interaction is there between Jews and Arabs in Israel?

It seems bizarre from here that Israel absorbs so many attacks without (apparently) any change in their strategy. Are the people simply resigned to the current level of low-intensity war going on indefinitely? Thanks.

11 posted on 12/05/2003 3:13:22 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Israel's embassy in Canada said on Friday that a Canadian had confessed to planning attacks in North America on behalf of the Palestinian militant group Hamas, prompting an angry Ottawa to say it would reprimand the Israeli ambassador.

Huh? As opposed to giving him a commendation?

12 posted on 12/05/2003 3:32:03 PM PST by TheDon
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To: Cinnamon Girl
This does sound a bit fishy.

What EXACT evidence do they have against this guy?!? If it's only his confession, that's bull. I think everyone on this forum would admit to whatever they wanted after 20 days of Mossad interrogations.
13 posted on 12/05/2003 4:06:18 PM PST by nikola
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To: nikola
They said they've been watching this guy for a while. Do really think that's all they have?
14 posted on 12/05/2003 4:12:15 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Allan
Bump
15 posted on 12/05/2003 4:13:34 PM PST by Allan
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To: Cinnamon Girl
I really don't wanna guess. They need to show their evidence. Burden of proof is upon them. What they've shown so far does not amount to much at all and any lawyer could overturn this confession in court.

PS: I'm looking at all from the legal perspective. If they've caught a guilty man, excellent... but I just don't wanna see an innocent person be thrown in jail just because they're a palestinian.
16 posted on 12/05/2003 4:16:22 PM PST by nikola
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To: Cinnamon Girl
"Our embassy has been instructed to keep pursuing vigorously the matter with the Israelis "

Translation: I might agree with the Israeli's but I have my orders... I've been INSTRUCTED

17 posted on 12/05/2003 4:18:41 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Cinnamon Girl
The more I reflect on this terrorist thing, the more I think it is time for some street-justice for these punks...fight fire with fire as the saying goes....are we to stand with heads bowed as these scum destroy our way of life ?
18 posted on 12/05/2003 4:23:26 PM PST by thinking
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To: nikola
That's very big of you. Israel has probably at the moment THE BEST intelligence operation with regard to terrorist networks.
19 posted on 12/05/2003 4:26:30 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: SJackson; Yehuda; Nachum; Paved Paradise; Thinkin' Gal; Bobby777; adam_az; Alouette; IFly4Him; ...
So it is Israel's fault for this guy's desire to commit a terror attack in North America....that's a new one I haven't heard of yet.
20 posted on 12/05/2003 4:35:01 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: American in Israel
Canada also gives aid to these so-called Palestinians.
21 posted on 12/05/2003 4:36:01 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Canada needs to wake up and take a cold shower.

We need to wake up as well, because we are sending the Palestinian Authority terrorist regime over $300M each year.

22 posted on 12/05/2003 4:36:45 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: nikola
They have intelligence information.
23 posted on 12/05/2003 4:37:24 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
"Is everyone following this? CANADA is showing their FRENCH/E.U. propensity to cower in fear of the islamic terrorist threat and scold the good guys."


Don't I know it... Thanks for this post.

btw I was glad to see Paul Celluci (the ambassador to Canada) basically tell Canadians: look, the U.S. will do what it needs to to protect the security of its citizens. Too many people hold two passports: Canadian and one from a country that supports terrorism. I'm glad the U.S. will not "defer" to the Canadian passport, like everyone up here wants them to.

I also read plenty of immigration law cases up here (I'm a lawyer) and it is a huge concern to me, the people I've seen let in here. Additionally, there is a huge scandal with immigration judges paid bribes ... Canadian immigration is a mess.

24 posted on 12/05/2003 4:40:15 PM PST by proud American in Canada (to our troops: Hillary is wrong!)
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To: nikola; Cinnamon Girl; American in Israel; SJackson
Israeli media reports Mossad had followed him and saw that he, the 23 year old, was recruited to the Hamas movement in October and was trained in explosives and sniping.

"The idea was that he was going to operate against Jewish targets in North America" said the Israeli embassy message. Some of the scenerios were: "placing bombs to cars, shooting and murdering an Israeli official visiting Canada."

25 posted on 12/05/2003 4:42:08 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Do the Canadians speak Arabic?

Once they become Dhimmis they may have to ....bunch of wimpy appeasement freaks.

Aren't they considering sha'ria courts in Canada as well?

And I used to feel good about our "friendly neighbor to the north."

26 posted on 12/05/2003 4:44:52 PM PST by Agitate (littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog -Jihadwatch.org -Protestwarrior.com -Congress.org -ACLJ.org)
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To: EggsAckley
Never mind the petty details. It is time to attack Islam in a spectacular way and advise them that if we are going to have the big knock down and drag out, those pigs and infidels are going to be the dead ones in massive quantities. They have a lot of oil and no morality. All of them dead will leave a lot of oil and much less immorarility.
27 posted on 12/05/2003 4:51:48 PM PST by mathurine
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To: Cinnamon Girl; PRND21
PR seems to think those of us who want the borders of the USA secured,and all illegal aliens immediately deported are just racists against Mexicans, and are using the WOT to advance our racist "agenda".
28 posted on 12/05/2003 4:56:27 PM PST by sarasmom (Message to the DOD : Very good , troops.Carry on. IN MY NAME)
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To: sarasmom
False.
Some have real concerns, others have real problems.
Your false words tell me you are in Group 2.
29 posted on 12/05/2003 4:58:25 PM PST by PRND21
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To: FairOpinion; Pro-Bush; BagCamAddict; ganeshpuri89; pokerbuddy0; cgk; Sabertooth; Donna Lee Nardo; ..
Ping
30 posted on 12/05/2003 5:06:31 PM PST by JustPiper (Teach the Children to fight Liberalism ! They will be voting in 2008 !!!)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Al Qanada, again.
31 posted on 12/05/2003 5:32:07 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Al Qanada, again.
32 posted on 12/05/2003 5:32:09 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Why am I not surprised that the Canadian government sit on their tushes while the Iranian mullahs torture a Canadian citizen to death in jail, but they are up in arms because Israel is brings evidence against an Arab-Canadian terrorist into court?
33 posted on 12/05/2003 6:57:15 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
This is just the beginning. Wait until the European Union concludes that the jews actually killed themselves in world war II. This anti-semitism is moving throughout Europe, Canada, and the democrat party like a California wildfire. This thinking process has led to millions of deaths in the past and will undoubtedly lead to millions more in the future. This is a centuries old trick the devil has used many times in the past - "It's all the jew's fault, kill the jews"... and man will fall for it once again.
34 posted on 12/05/2003 7:18:19 PM PST by badmrbunny
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To: American in Israel
Well, US public schools are now using the same textbooks to teach Islam. From California to Alabama and New York.

But of course, christianity can't even be mentioned. Have you seen those stories lately?

35 posted on 12/05/2003 7:47:32 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl.....and.....www.returnoftheprimitive.com)
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To: yonif
we're sending over $400M actually
36 posted on 12/05/2003 7:48:52 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl.....and.....www.returnoftheprimitive.com)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Looks like the Socialists are on the side of terror to me, as usual.
37 posted on 12/05/2003 7:50:36 PM PST by ladyinred (The Left have blood on their hands!)
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To: mathurine
we're still a ways from that dreadful possibility. But its still a possibility because more than a hundred countries around the world don't seem to care at all. Canada is just one.

But its not yet to the point where we should be nuking Mecca

38 posted on 12/05/2003 7:52:15 PM PST by GeronL (Visit www.geocities.com/geronl.....and.....www.returnoftheprimitive.com)
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To: GeronL
Liberal/leftists and Islamists make strange bedfellows, but they are bundling tightly. It does raise the question: Why?

One answer is the old adage "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".
39 posted on 12/05/2003 7:57:14 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Cinnamon Girl; Yehuda; SJackson; veronica
For some reason, I am not surprised.
40 posted on 12/05/2003 8:02:25 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: thinking
Since the "moderate" Muslims have elected not to reign in their radicals who are committing terrorists acts, the responsibility has, by default, been delegated to the rest of the world. Mainly western society meaning the USA. There will have to a BOLD offensive to finally stop these people. We are not yet prepared to do what it will take to stop them.
41 posted on 12/05/2003 8:35:20 PM PST by Magnum
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To: JustPiper
Jamal Akkal is also known as Jammal Zakariya Hadi Abed El Aqel. The Aqel family is well-known for its involvement with Hamas. Jammal Akkal's immediate family members live mostly in Canada and the United States.
42 posted on 12/05/2003 9:11:36 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: JustPiper
Thanks for the ping.
43 posted on 12/05/2003 9:22:28 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: diamondjoe
WHAT??? What total, total idiots.

Idiots, not. Duplicitous, yes.

44 posted on 12/05/2003 9:29:16 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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To: yonif
We need to wake up as well, because we are sending the Palestinian Authority terrorist regime over $300M each year.

Yes. But in the end, it will be the 2nd amendment that will save us.

45 posted on 12/05/2003 9:33:52 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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To: proud American in Canada
Canadian immigration is a mess.

I would bet our (USA's) immigration debacle against yours (Canada's) any day. But in the end, we are all screwed. My recommendation: buy lots of guns and ammunition. Soon enough, we'll need them.

46 posted on 12/05/2003 9:40:06 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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To: GOPJ
Happy to give the FYI ;)
47 posted on 12/05/2003 10:14:23 PM PST by JustPiper (Teach the Children to fight Liberalism ! They will be voting in 2008 !!!)
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To: Calpernia
Cal, you amaze me at the well of info you possess, Bump to you!!!
48 posted on 12/05/2003 10:16:28 PM PST by JustPiper (Teach the Children to fight Liberalism ! They will be voting in 2008 !!!)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
Here is a little more balanced reporting of this:

http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=954828E1-B416-4895-8CFA-1034287A8322

Terror attacks on Canada planned
Suspect received training from terrorist group Hamas, Israel says

A Canadian citizen arrested last month in Gaza was planning to carry out terror attacks in Canada on behalf of the terrorist group Hamas, the Israeli government said Thursday.

But, according to an Israeli embassy statement, since his arrest Akkal has told Israel's intelligence service, the Shin Bet, that on his trip to Gaza in October he was recruited by Hamas' military wing and attended training sessions.

"The purpose of the training, as explained to him by his instructors, was to carry out a series of terror attacks against Israeli and Jewish targets in North America," the Israeli statement said.

Ofir Gendelman, a spokes-man for the embassy, said the case represents a new level of aggression from Hamas.

"What is extraordinary is that it's the first time in which Hamas has planned to carry out terrorist attacks in North America," he said.
49 posted on 12/05/2003 10:20:55 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: yonif
Shab. Shal.

Just returned form the Pipes lecture at UBC.

My impressions/observations:

- Pipes is protected by USSS. Probably due to his appointment by the President.
- 'palestinian' terrorists, in addition to Jews for the Second Holocaust were present and very active. The "'palestinian' solidarity group" led the protest.
- RCMP, CSIS, and others (from a special country in the ME were evident).

Canadian security were all over the terrorists with extremely high quality video equipment.

I'm not sure how to reconcile what I saw with the general perception of Canadian treatment of muslim terrorists, so I'll withold my opinion, although I was pleased with what I saw.

Pipes was classic Pipes: dignified, professional, articulate, unflappable and unassailable.

RCMP were extraordinarily polite.

Before the lecture began, the University sponsor pointed out the four emergency exits "in case they were needed", never letting us forget, as Jews, that we are forever targets from the Satanic hounds from Hell.
50 posted on 12/05/2003 10:50:09 PM PST by tubavil
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