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Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues

Posted on 12/05/2003 6:20:43 PM PST by Coleus

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Homosexuality in America: Exposing the Myths

Selling Homosexuality to America

1 posted on 12/05/2003 6:20:44 PM PST by Coleus
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2 posted on 12/05/2003 6:21:05 PM PST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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3 posted on 12/05/2003 6:21:59 PM PST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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*Sigh* more of this religous based agenda shoved down our throat garbage.

It'd be quicker just to label homosexuals as witches so that you could burn them at the stake. . .
4 posted on 12/05/2003 6:25:20 PM PST by Tempest
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To: Coleus
wow thanks for the post, I love statistics....

This one bears repeating.

Pedophilia is widespread among the homosexual community. Though homosexuals make up just two percent of the U.S. population, homosexuals commit 33 percent of the pedophilia crimes.

5 posted on 12/05/2003 6:32:55 PM PST by knak (wasknaknowknid)
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To: Coleus
A well-researched piece.

Pity it's destined for the Memory Hole.

6 posted on 12/05/2003 6:41:02 PM PST by Old Sarge (I Stand Watch... Because You're Worth It. Operation Noble Eagle!)
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To: Coleus
According to Centers for Disease Control interviews, 50% of male homosexuals had over 500 sexual partners, the first several hundred homosexual men diagnosed with AIDS had an average of l,100 lifetime partners. (Rotello, G. (1997). Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay men. NY: Dutton.)

Holy moly!

7 posted on 12/05/2003 6:43:28 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: little jeremiah
Ping to a very good article.
8 posted on 12/05/2003 6:48:20 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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Ping
9 posted on 12/05/2003 6:56:57 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: Coleus; *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; ...
Wow! A great summary!

This is definitely one to reference. I'll update the database with this article before I forget...

10 posted on 12/05/2003 7:07:07 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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Pedophilia is widespread among the homosexual community. Though homosexuals make up just two percent of the U.S. population, homosexuals commit 33 percent of the pedophilia crimes.

Here's something I post occasionally. It comes with sources anybody can check, but the pro-homosexual folks here never seem interested in the sources... Imagine that:

Homosexuals, being around 2% (including bisexuals) of the population, account for a third of child molestations. Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

There is absolutely no evidence homosexuality is genetic.

11 posted on 12/05/2003 7:10:21 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Coleus
Excellent post. Haven't read all of it yet!

But I certainly like the Myth and Fact format!
12 posted on 12/05/2003 7:13:30 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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GLB HETERO

Suicidal Ideation 67.9% 29.0%
Suicide Attempt 32.1% 7.1%
Psychiatric disorders age 14 -21
Major depression 71.4% 38.2%
Generalized anxiety Disorder 28.5% 12.5%
Conduct disorder 32.1% 11.0%
Nicotine dependence 64.3% 26.7%
Other substance abuse/dependence 60.7% 44.3%
Multiple disorders 78.6% 38.2%

In other words at age 21 the GLB (Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual) portion of the cohort has significantly more problems in every category.


Especially startling facts!
13 posted on 12/05/2003 7:15:08 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Tempest
"*Sigh* more of this religous based agenda shoved down our throat garbage."


Did you even read the article? Of course it is data interpreted by a certain perspective, but how else would you display the numbers? Oh well? Sucks to be them? Who cares? Put a little more thought into what you say or just skip the article.

14 posted on 12/05/2003 7:19:25 PM PST by bethelgrad (for God, country, and the Corps OOH RAH!)
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To: Tempest
It'd be quicker just to label homosexuals as witches so that you could burn them at the stake. . .

Only if they weigh more than a duck.

15 posted on 12/05/2003 7:27:24 PM PST by Ramius
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Homosexuality & Health
16 posted on 12/05/2003 7:33:42 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Coleus
bump and to read all of it later.
17 posted on 12/05/2003 7:35:46 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Tempest
*Sigh* more of this religous based agenda shoved down our throat garbage.

Could you please show us the part that is religious based?

18 posted on 12/05/2003 7:36:49 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Tempest
*Sigh* more of this religous based agenda shoved down our throat garbage.

Could you please show us the part that is religious based?

It'd be quicker just to label homosexuals as witches so that you could burn them at the stake. . .

This qualifies, I believe, as hate speech.

19 posted on 12/05/2003 7:37:37 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Coleus
This is a very good review and contains literature that is hard to find even with much effort. Thank You.

In spite of its value, there are several points I would like to make. It is important to stress homosexuality is not an all or none phenomenon. Traditionally, male homosexuals were categorized in a simple fashion on two parameters. The first was whether their basic identification was masculine –in this instance the homosexual male would have a completely normal masculine interest and behavior pattern but would show preference for homosexual acts. The strongly identified male homosexual is often found in male occupations including athletics, military service, professions and so forth. There is another group of homosexuals who are more troubled and troubling –these individuals have a strong feminine identification – so much so they are often easily identified by the lay person with pejorative labels. Of course, these are two poles of the problem and most homosexuals probably are an admixture of the two.

There is another continuum that males fall on as well. This is easiest to understand assuming a continuum of 1-10 where 1 would be complete heterosexuality and 10 would be compete homosexuality. This means you would find most heterosexual men (but not all) towards 1-3 and homosexuals (but not all) 7-10. Do not dismiss this continuum completely out of hand. Freud felt the punishing statutes and laws regarding homosexuality were written by men to suppress or repress their own homoerotic desires. You might not agree with this as well, but IMHO this continuum theory has heuristic value in considering the possibility of change either by treatment or faith.

Finally, we should probably all be aware of God’s gifts. Sometimes he gives with one hand and takes away with another –Leonardo DeVinci is a good example. IMHO male homosexuals are over represented in many highly valuable creative and scientific endeavors. Also, finally, we have no real, final conclusions as to the etiology of homosexuality in spite of great effort to argue this or that theory.. It is a hard subject to come to grips with and we have been ill served by restricting psychological inquiry and investigation by postmodern, political efforts to declare homosexuality normal.

20 posted on 12/05/2003 7:40:37 PM PST by shrinkermd (i)
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To: little jeremiah
Hmmm - new software, quicker than my finger apparently.

PS - Thanks for the ping. I'm saving this one for finding accurate statistics with which to support my position!
21 posted on 12/05/2003 7:44:31 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: shrinkermd
Freud felt the punishing statutes and laws regarding homosexuality were written by men to suppress or repress their own homoerotic desires

Well, sure, and most laws are written for that purpose, to discourage certain behaviour. Obviously, laws can't be written to discourage being, i.e., a law establishing it illegal to be a woman.

22 posted on 12/05/2003 7:55:42 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: Tempest
*Sigh* more of this religous based agenda shoved down our throat garbage.

It'd be quicker just to label homosexuals as witches so that you could burn them at the stake. . .>>>

Nobody forced you to read it. I thought it was more on the medical and scientific side rather than religious.
23 posted on 12/05/2003 7:57:00 PM PST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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24 posted on 12/05/2003 8:00:23 PM PST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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it was more on the medical and scientific side

C'mon, get with the program! Get with the homosexual agenda! Apparently it doesn't matter if you're quoting health stats, if the article is about homosexuality it can't reference the severe health hazards of the homosexual lifestyle, otherwise it's just plain wrong. Of course you won't get any valid reason why it's wrong, just that it's wrong. And propaganda.

25 posted on 12/05/2003 8:03:37 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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Sigh* more of this religous based agenda shoved down our throat garbage.

Let's take a look at this religious based agenda from the article:

6. The rate of new HIV infections among men who have sex with men is nine times higher than among women and heterosexual men. (Centers for Disease Control, Media Center, 2002)

8. Psychological health problems including multiple drug use, partner violence, history of childhood sexual abuse, and depression interface to sharply increase high-risk sexual behavior and HIV infection rates among homosexual and bisexual men in the U.S. (L. Linley, R. Stall, G. Mansergh, "New CDC Studies Shed Light on Facts Underlying High HIV Infection Rates Among Gay and Bisexual Men." http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/r020710.htm )

10. Research shows that homosexual men are not getting tested for HIV. A report from the Centers for Disease Control showed that more than three-quarters of the homosexual men studied were unaware they were carrying HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Ninety percent of homosexual black men, ages 15-29, who have the virus, did not know they had the virus until researchers told them. The figure for Hispanic homosexual men is 70 percent and for the white homosexual men 60 percent. (Centers for Disease Control, International AIDS Conference, Barcelona, Spain. July 7-12, 2002.)

I was unaware the CDC was religious based! There's more but history tells me you're not interested.

26 posted on 12/05/2003 8:12:18 PM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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28 posted on 12/05/2003 8:33:02 PM PST by RedMonqey
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I just hope if we ever see a Mental Health Bill, the agree to pay for homosexual recovery programs ...
29 posted on 12/05/2003 8:37:17 PM PST by 11th_VA (If you can read this IN ENGLISH - Thank a Veteran !!!)
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SUPER PING!

I have known and currenlty know homosexuals who have successfully come to grips with their problem, and have stayed far away from that lifestyle. They go so far as to marry, have kids, and enjoy heterosexual sex.

The problem this article fails to mention is that there is far more to the homosexual agenda than just wanting to "normalize" same-sex unions --to understand fully what they are after, you must understand that the underlying motive of the homosexual lifestyle is a bizzare combination of rebellion and woundedness. The typical source of the "wound" that the male homosexual suffers from is usually some sort of deviant relationship with their father. It ranges from a father who is abnormally critical of their son, to a father who was simply not there for their son, either to do divorce, death, or just emotional distance. (Not to mention fathers who have forced sexual relations with their sons...)

Because of the emotional wounds received at the hands of their father, they do what they can to find acceptance and love from other males. Sadly, the line between acceptance and sex often gets blurred, and the homosexual lifestyle takes root. But due to the tremendous cultural condemnation for homosexuality, they often find themselves not only desiring male acceptance, but become "rebels without a cause" knowing that society looks down it's nose at their lifestyle. Hence, they choose to rebel against society rather than the more painful and difficult task of changing their lifestyles. In sex with other males, they find the acceptance and the love that was denied to them from their fathers; as bizzare as that sounds. Giving up that lifestyle without first healing the wound that caused it, only results in emotional pain and suffering.

I'm no scientist: the information above is what I've found out from former homosexuals themselves.

If anything, this speaks to the non-negotiable need for fathers (and strong fathers at that) to be actively and positively involved in the lifes of their sons. This simple remedy, more so than anything else, does more to "prevent" homosexuality than anything else, including religious indoctrination.

The attack on men, and fatherhood in particular, in our Western society, is doing more to undermine the mental and emotional health of humanity as a whole than anything else. The rebels attack that which is really the thing that will do them (and us) most good.

The rebirth of goddess worship is the latest in this attack, and can be most clearly seen in the recently published and very popular novel "The Da Vinci Code."

30 posted on 12/05/2003 8:44:29 PM PST by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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bump
31 posted on 12/05/2003 9:08:55 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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Will be further examined.
32 posted on 12/05/2003 9:17:23 PM PST by RLK
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re: agenda - don't remember who said it, but I remember reading recently that someone believed that Sodomites (sorry, homosexuals) were more highly evolved than us heteros. Since I am a creationist, I can't accept that...and it makes one wonder how, by definition, since homosexuals do not procreate, they managed to reproduce themselves.
33 posted on 12/05/2003 9:34:55 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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Gay people the "pinnacle of evolution", study says
34 posted on 12/05/2003 9:40:11 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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for later reading
35 posted on 12/05/2003 10:11:21 PM PST by YankeeinOkieville
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the ping!
36 posted on 12/05/2003 10:37:43 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Lijahsbubbe
"Well, sure, and most laws are written for that purpose, to discourage certain behaviour. Obviously, laws can't be written to discourage being, i.e., a law establishing it illegal to be a woman.

You bring up an interesting point. Almost all the laws in respect to homosexual activity (sodomy laws for example) are directed to male homosexuals. Women homosexuals generally are seldom arrrested or charged with any misconduct except in the cases of children.

It is for the above reason that Freud concluded that men wrote the laws to control their own unconscious inclination to act out their hidden homosexual inclinations. This theory is unimportant perhaps but id does explain some facets of the law, men and homosexuality.

37 posted on 12/06/2003 4:48:17 AM PST by shrinkermd (i)
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To: Coleus
A liberal friend with who I argue politics and the like ran out of responses on homosexuality when I pointed out to him (after reading it somewhere here) that humans are born, physically, heterosexual.

We are physically born either male or female, the rest is all attitude.

38 posted on 12/06/2003 5:50:52 AM PST by capt. norm (Lead me not into temptation, I can find the way myself...)
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We are physically born either male or female, the rest is all attitude. >>

you can't argue with that, we are born with very specific parts and components which have a specific purpose and fit together very well.

And I think we are the only species which aborts our young in utero our most vulnerable, ask your liberal friend about that and see if he can argue that point.

And we have the nerve to call the other species "animals" I wonder what God calls us?

39 posted on 12/06/2003 9:53:56 AM PST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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Historically it is only during modern times that homsexuality adopted the genetic or born that way myth.

The ancient civilizations believed it to be a behavioral choice.
40 posted on 12/06/2003 5:45:03 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Coleus
And we have the nerve to call the other species "animals" I wonder what God calls us?
* ** *** *****

His Children.


duh.
41 posted on 12/06/2003 5:46:36 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Ronzo
Excellent reply!!!

The key point can not be stated enough. In order to cure homosexual behavior you have to cure the cause of it.

Homosexual behavior is just a symptom of an underlying mental trauma

43 posted on 12/08/2003 6:46:17 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Interesting but long read....

...you might use this in your term paper research.

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To: Tempest
It'd be quicker just to label homosexuals as witches so that you could burn them at the stake. . .

Now, there's a thought ... at least regarding the proactive recruiters, apologists, mindfnck artists, etc ...

46 posted on 12/10/2003 6:01:35 PM PST by Yeti
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"Now, there's a thought ... at least regarding the proactive recruiters, apologists, mindfnck artists, etc ..."

Oh joy kill everyone who doesn't agree with you. Bill and Hillary Clinton could be a Freeper now that I've read some these post.

47 posted on 12/10/2003 9:09:10 PM PST by Tempest
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Not everyone who disagrees with me, just the witches that work to poison our collective well of understanding, undertake the casting of spells across our minds, and offer our children shiny, red, poisoned fruit.

Metaphorically, of course.

48 posted on 12/10/2003 9:54:26 PM PST by Yeti
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49 posted on 05/01/2004 1:53:25 PM PDT by EdReform
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To: little jeremiah

I'm saving this one for finding accurate statistics with which to support my position!


Perhaps the newest members of your ping list would be interested in this article?

50 posted on 05/01/2004 2:00:27 PM PDT by EdReform
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