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The Digital Collegian [Penn State student newspaper] ^ | December 9,2003 | Bridget Smith

Posted on 12/09/2003 8:12:36 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining

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To: StopGlobalWhining
I think this guy actually did the smart think here by apologizing. As I said in some detail in another thread, blackface and the Klan just are not funny. All too many blacks believe that the Republican Party is a home to racists and that many conservative whites are closet racists. We don't need to feed that perception. Really we don't. I'm not saying that they can't be critical of leftist black activists or other members of the student government but this is not the way to do it.
21 posted on 12/09/2003 9:52:46 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Coroner
Frankly, the fact that it was at a private party simply confirms the suspicions of many blacks that white Republicans, even when they say nice things about blacks, are really closet racists. That's not a helpful excuse.
22 posted on 12/09/2003 9:56:23 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: WackyKat
But guess what?-a lot of free speech is offensive, and students don't sign away their free speech rights when they enter college.

I don't think he should be expelled but I also don't want to see this nonsense associated with the Republican party. Too many blacks believe that the Republican party is racist. They don't need confirmation of their worst fears.

I'm sick of white students being singled out and persecuted for speech found to be not politically correct while non-white students are not only allowed to offend white students with impunity, but are congratulated for it by their professors

Apparently you've never heard the saying, "Two wrongs don't make a right."

Apparently, you have no problem with such a double standard.

I don't know about the person you were replying to but, personally, I have no problem at all, in part because it isn't really a double standard at all. It is simply having standards. Period. I hold conservatives to a higher standard than the freaks on the left. They are freaks because they have no standards and have no class. Just because the left acts like freaks is no reason for conservatives to emulate them and if we find their freakish behavior unacceptable coming from them, we should find it unacceptable coming from our own.

But I do.

No. You simply think that bad behavior on the part of the opposition justifies bad behavior by people on your side. You need to pay more attention to the fact that it's bad behavior, no matter who does it, and that their freakish bad behavior is what makes helps make those on the left such a menace. The "anything our side does is good" is what let the left turn a blind eye to the murder of 100 million people in the last century. No thanks. I hold conservatives to a higher standard than that.

23 posted on 12/09/2003 10:14:20 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
That’s the point here. Dressing up as KKK members and putting on black-face are unacceptable behavior even at a PRIVATE party. Unless you think racism is fine if no one see it. In which case, you’re a racist.

This guy's error was NOT that he made the photo public. It was NOT that he distastefully and embarrassingly put this stuff on a republican website. His error was that he was associating with racists. A principled, intelligent leader would have said, “take that crap off or leave”.

Demographics are destiny. The day is coming when ‘whites’ are a going to be a minority in this country. The Bush administration has been wisely reaching out to Hispanic Catholic voters with conservative social attitudes. These voters will rule the Southwest in a few years and be key swing votes in Texas, Florida, Michigan etc.. Other immigrants, Asians and Blacks will have to be won over to conservative beliefs if the country is going to be prevented from sliding further into the direction of liberalism it has been taking since the 1940’s. If not the Conservative revolution (started by Goldwater, consolidated by Reagan, and perpetuated by Bush) will be just a footnote in American history. Acts like this stuff at Penn State suggest that all this ‘inclusiveness’ talk is just window-dressing meant to hide some ugly core beliefs. And no matter how you dress up a swine, it’s still a pig.
24 posted on 12/09/2003 10:22:26 PM PST by Pitchfork
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To: WackyKat
And I'm sick and tired of black people only being offended by white racism, and white people only being offended by black racism.

You can spew hatred at me all you like, it hurts you a lot more than it does me.
25 posted on 12/09/2003 10:24:57 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: Pitchfork
Personally, I'm largely just tired of hearing moderate to conservative blacks tell me that they can't bring themselves to vote Republican because they perceive the Republican Party as a home for racists. Yes, Southern Democrats fought against Civil Rights in the 1960s but the fact that many of those very same people switched parties to become Republicans and were accepted is not lost on many blacks. I don't believe the Republican Party is racist nor do I believe that many conservative policies that are called racist are racist. But to get past the perception that conservatives are racist, they need to avoid nonsense like this.

In fairness, I don't think they dressed up as KKK members. That particular bit appeared in a picture caption. But the blackface is bad enough, no matter what the intent.

26 posted on 12/09/2003 10:50:01 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
I am sick and tired of witnessing the harrassment conservative students receive if they dare to offend the lunatic left.

Offended conservatives are laughed at and ridiculed, as in the case of the death threat made by the black student in which the Penn State "...police decided that Black Caucus members were voicing opinions but were not disorderly."

This is a disgrace. If a white student had threatened the life of a black student at Penn State, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackon would be all over TV demanding a federal investigation and protection for the black students.

And to you people out there opining on how the College Republicans should have acted, what they did was on their own personal website, and their party took place off campus.

It's none of the University's business!

27 posted on 12/10/2003 6:28:04 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Cheney-Rumsfeld in '08)
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To: StopGlobalWhining
I am sick and tired of witnessing the harrassment conservative students receive if they dare to offend the lunatic left.

I am, too. But here we have a student who is strongly identified with the Republican Party and conservatives who is either so racist or clueless that he does not realize that blackface is offensive to more than just the lunatic left. Do you think that blackface is an appropriate Halloween costume for a white student in the 21st Century?

Offended conservatives are laughed at and ridiculed, as in the case of the death threat made by the black student in which the Penn State "...police decided that Black Caucus members were voicing opinions but were not disorderly."

So rather than take the moral high ground, they should prove that they are bigger bigots than the Black Caucus?

This is a disgrace. If a white student had threatened the life of a black student at Penn State, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackon would be all over TV demanding a federal investigation and protection for the black students.

So we should emulate Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson by running to the defense of white students, no matter what they do, and excuse their behavior, no matter what it is? You are telling me that we should adopt the very behavior that makes these people unworthy of respect?

And to you people out there opining on how the College Republicans should have acted, what they did was on their own personal website, and their party took place off campus.

It's none of the University's business!

No, but it is my business, because it is conservatives and Republicans that they are hurting. They are confirming many blacks' worst fears that the Republican Party is filled with closet racists.

Please spare me the freedom lecture. Yes, what these students did was not illegal and they should not be expelled but they have no business acting as spokesmen for conservatives and the Republican Party if they don't grasp that the KKK and blackface are not any more funny that a crucifix in urine or a gay activist in a Dick Cheney mask pretending to sodomize another activist in a George W. Bush mask. Legitimate free speech? Yes. Behavior I'd want to be associated with? No thanks.

The left may give Jesse Jackson a pass for talking about "Hymie Town" but I don't want to stoop to their level. They are no class opportunists for whom I have contempt and I have no desire to emulate their situational ethics. When people on Free Republic start citing Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as role-models whose behavior conservatives should emulate, something is very wrong. I understand your anger over the double standard but the answer is to continue to demand that they raise their standards, not that we lower ours. I don't want to stand arm and arm with people who have the ethics of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Conservatives are better than that, or should be.

28 posted on 12/10/2003 7:00:06 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
I'm sorry, you have reached a wrong number. I am not a "Big Tent RINO". I am a fiscal Conservative and a social Conservative, with a Libertarian streak.

I am not going to allow myself to become offended because someone else may have been offended by actions that someone else became offended by, whether it be perceived racist, insulting homosexuals, Femi-Nazis, or even Conservatives.

Since I've never owned a slave, harrassed a homosexual or a Femi-Nazi, I feel free of guilt. However, I do admit to offending liberals in general with my words.

I feel pretty comfortable about that.

29 posted on 12/10/2003 7:41:06 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but names will never hurt me)
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To: StopGlobalWhining
I'm sorry, you have reached a wrong number. I am not a "Big Tent RINO". I am a fiscal Conservative and a social Conservative, with a Libertarian streak.

One can be true to their convictions without acting like an obnoxious jerk or a freak. Or do you consider good manners incompatible with being a Conservative?

I am not going to allow myself to become offended because someone else may have been offended by actions that someone else became offended by, whether it be perceived racist, insulting homosexuals, Femi-Nazis, or even Conservatives.

I'm not offended by the blackface because others were offended. I'm offended by the blackface, myself, because it is offensive. It is as offensive as a Crucifix in urine. A Crucifix in urine isn't offensive because it offends Christians. It is offensive because it is rude, obnoxious, and in bad taste. Using your logic, the offense is never the fault of the offender and always the fault of the offended. I suppose this is where the "Libertarian streak" comes in since Libertarians seem to desire a world where everyone is free to offend and the offended can do nothing about it. Yes, some people are offended by anything but I see a distinct difference between being offended by the truth (unreasonable) and being offended by rude behavior that looks pretty darned racist to me (reasonable).

Since I've never owned a slave, harrassed a homosexual or a Femi-Nazi, I feel free of guilt. However, I do admit to offending liberals in general with my words.

I'm not asking people to feel guilty. I'm expecting them to show some character and class.

I feel pretty comfortable about that.

Do you also feel comfortable with the fact that 90% of blacks vote for Democrats when at least a third of those would probably vote Republican if they didn't believe it was the party of racists?

30 posted on 12/11/2003 9:29:12 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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31 posted on 12/11/2003 9:33:45 AM PST by mhking
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32 posted on 12/11/2003 9:40:32 AM PST by petercooper (Proud VRWC Neanderthal)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Do you also feel comfortable with the fact that 90% of blacks vote for Democrats when at least a third of those would probably vote Republican if they didn't believe it was the party of racists?


30 posted on 12/11/2003 9:29:12 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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What unmitigated Bull shit. 90% of the Blacks vote for Demonrats because the Demonrats ponder to their hatred of whites and because they promise them either a uupperhand on most everything or a government handout. PERIOD!
33 posted on 12/11/2003 10:07:08 AM PST by Area51 ((Big Time RINO Hunter!)
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To: StopGlobalWhining
With the Dane Geld paid, have the Danes gone away?
34 posted on 12/11/2003 10:45:58 AM PST by King Prout (...he took a face from the ancient gallery, then he... walked on down the hall....)
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To: Area51
What unmitigated Bull shit. 90% of the Blacks vote for Demonrats because the Demonrats ponder to their hatred of whites and because they promise them either a uupperhand on most everything or a government handout. PERIOD!

You don't talk to many blacks, do you?

35 posted on 12/11/2003 11:08:19 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Brett66
Socialists and communists, I guess.
36 posted on 12/11/2003 1:30:58 PM PST by expatpat
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To: petercooper
Good one, LOL! But the wrong Danson.
37 posted on 12/11/2003 1:34:11 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Question_Assumptions
You don't talk to many blacks, do you?


35 posted on 12/11/2003 11:08:19 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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And you never listen to thier leaders like
Jesse Jackson
Maxine Waters
Sheila Jackson Lee
Al Sharpton
Helen Mosby Braun
John Conyers?

Please, there is not one on that list of "Leaders" of the Black community that doesn't support Everything I listed.
38 posted on 12/11/2003 1:58:18 PM PST by Area51 ((Big Time RINO Hunter!)
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And you never listen to thier leaders like [...]

Please, there is not one on that list of "Leaders" of the Black community that doesn't support Everything I listed.

I don't care what their leaders say because we are never going to convince Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton to vote Republican. I care about what normal average black people say and having spoken to quite a few of them, many of them are reasonably conservative yet vote Democrat because they argue that the Republican Party is a home for racists and they don't want to be in the same party as racists. If this was an isolated comment that I heard from one person, I might dismiss it but I've heard the very same sort of comment again and again. Those "Leaders" you list maintain control the same way that dictators control people in the third world -- through tribalism and fear. They convince blacks that the Republican Party is out to get them. Since these "Leaders" are not going to magically convince blacks that these are lies, it is up to the Republican Party to convice blacks that they are not racist. And, yes, that means avoiding even the appearance of impropiety and making an extra special effort not to offend.

39 posted on 12/11/2003 2:38:17 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: StopGlobalWhining
Let's all join together, hold our hands and sing "Kumbaya"! "Racism", whatever that is, with all the signs of worship of the idea, unites us across the political party boundaries! Ah, Utopia!
40 posted on 12/11/2003 2:43:51 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Merry Shopping Season and a Happy Pre-Christmas Storewide Sales Event!)
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