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Dr. Dean the Abortionist
The Washington Times ^ | 12/09/03 | Greg Pierce

Posted on 12/09/2003 9:38:32 PM PST by Ethyl

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:40:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; abortionist; dean; howarddean; plannedparenthood
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What do OB/GYN doctors to at abortion clinics?????

abort children, however Dr. Dean says that he never aborted children, but worked at a Planned Parenthood Clinic for several years during the 1970's and 1980's. So what do ob/gyn Doctors to in abortion clinics other than abort children???????????? Do we detect a lie here???? How many times has Dr. Dean called Mr. Bush a lier?? Time to turn things around.

1 posted on 12/09/2003 9:38:33 PM PST by Ethyl
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To: Ethyl
bump
2 posted on 12/09/2003 9:39:55 PM PST by Tribune7 (David Limbaugh never said his brother had a "nose like a vacuum cleaner")
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To: Ethyl
How sick.
3 posted on 12/09/2003 9:40:28 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: Ethyl
It's spelled 'liar' and you should keep digging Ethyl.

Regards,

L

4 posted on 12/09/2003 9:40:41 PM PST by Lurker (Some people say you shouldn't kick a man when he's down. I say there's no better time to do it.)
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To: Ethyl
Hmmm. Looks like Howie Dean may have the blood of the innocent on his hands. You can't ever wash that off.
5 posted on 12/09/2003 9:42:58 PM PST by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Ethyl
Yeah, I'll bump this, too.
I think Dean is a liar.
I think Dean performed, or assisted in performing, abortions. He was there.
6 posted on 12/09/2003 9:43:34 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Oh dear I could hear Mike Savage now... red diaper fetus eater, how many did he have for breakfast?

Dean is still going to get the nomination though.
7 posted on 12/09/2003 9:45:05 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: cyborg
Did you hear Savage rant on today about how Dean should be tried for sedition? ...lol.....he was on a roll.
8 posted on 12/09/2003 9:46:49 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
NO darn it! He needs to get archives like Rush. Dean is a liar and a metrosexual twerp.
9 posted on 12/09/2003 9:50:03 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: Ethyl
Trash article and thread. Dean denied he performed any abortions, and nothing other than his views on the issue and associations (guilt by association) suggests otherwise. Pathetic. Dean is unfit to be president, but this kind of thing can only help him. I disent. Off damned spot.
10 posted on 12/09/2003 9:51:34 PM PST by Torie
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To: Ethyl
Ob/Gyn doc at a planned parenthood clinic, but he didn't do abortions...I guess he handed out condoms and let the nurses do them. This guy is lying.
11 posted on 12/09/2003 9:53:34 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: Torie
If Dean is a liar, then that is an issue.
(And if Dean is lying about this, then Clinton knows. And if Clinton knows, Bush knows. So who will be first to spring the trap? Ticky-ticky-tick.... timing.)
12 posted on 12/09/2003 9:56:42 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: thatdewd
For years he was there...
Dean you are a nazi liar.
13 posted on 12/09/2003 9:57:30 PM PST by Indie (The Nazis were Socialists. Dean, you are a Nazi.)
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To: thatdewd
Don't you think Dean might worry that if he is lying, one of his "patients" might out him (maybe for big bucks from whomever), with medical records to prove it, to utterly destroy him? The odds of this wild charge being true are very low, unless Dean is a total delusional sociopath, because if true, he will be exposed, if he performed a considerable number of abortions. Sometimes, this site slips into the madhouse category.
14 posted on 12/09/2003 9:57:35 PM PST by Torie
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To: Ethyl
If he was pro-life, I'd say he was examining ladies and prescribing the pill. But since he's pro-abortion, pro-late term infanticide, I'd say the dems want to elect Mengele reincarnate.

It's one thing for sheeples not to even care about the abortion isssue when it comes to who they vote for . It's another thing for them to vote in a CIC to protect their children knowing that he sucked a bunch into a sink.

Question is, if he gets the nomiation, will the RNC use the info?
15 posted on 12/09/2003 9:59:07 PM PST by lizma
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To: Lancey Howard
(".....Timin' timin' timin' timin' timin'
is the thi i i i ng
It's true
And then what will Howie Dean do?")
16 posted on 12/09/2003 10:00:45 PM PST by Lancey Howard (Sorry.)
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To: lizma
Question is, if he gets the nomiation, will the RNC use the info?

We should.

17 posted on 12/09/2003 10:03:28 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: Torie
...unless Dean is a total delusional sociopath...

I vote for that one. Seriously, though, I find it almost impossible to believe that an Ob/Gyn could do work in Planned Parenthood clinics for years without performing abortions. This article is from the Washington Times, so we can all bet that this will be looked into more thoroughly, and won't be left at the accusation level. This is hugh.

18 posted on 12/09/2003 10:06:42 PM PST by thatdewd
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To: Torie
Agreed. Absent evidence, this is silly stuff. Dean could have been performing exams, pap smears, IUD placements, writing birth control prescriptions, etc. The only halfway plausible alternative is that Dean assisted with some abortions but is dodging that with some Clintonesque word-parsing and omission.
19 posted on 12/09/2003 10:08:53 PM PST by dagnabbit (Stop Immigrating Islam. Don't let France happen to America.)
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To: Coleus; cpforlife.org
Ping!
20 posted on 12/09/2003 10:12:43 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Torie
"medical records to prove it"

The chances that a women (who isn't suing an abortionist) has her medical records is about 20 billion to one. I'm sure the PP he worked for no longer has his records (even if they do). I don't think they have to legally keep them this long.

Wishful thinking. But still it would be nice.
21 posted on 12/09/2003 10:12:55 PM PST by lizma
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To: Ethyl
I detect a Clintonian play on words here. He never aborted "children". What about fetuses?

vaudine
22 posted on 12/09/2003 10:20:00 PM PST by vaudine
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To: Ethyl
What do OB/GYN doctors to at abortion clinics?????

PAP smears, pelvic exams, prescribe birth control....among any of the dozens of services that Planned Parenthood provide. Before you get too excited, Ethyl, you should be aware that PP offers more than just abortions. He could very well be telling the truth. It would be too easy to dig up if he isn't. That would be sweet, though. Also, your question mark key seems to be stuck.
23 posted on 12/09/2003 10:25:56 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: dagnabbit
Dean could have been performing exams, pap smears, IUD placements, writing birth control prescriptions, etc.

But think about it. Why would some one who is now viciously pro-abortion have any qualms preforming them in the past?

He was a conservative in his youth and a light bulb went off and and he became a liberal??? Logic and knowledge usually run in the opposite direction. No. This guy was an abortionist or he would open his records.

He could seal the names of the AIDS patients or their letters. This is just an excuse to cover his tracks. Pretty thin.

24 posted on 12/09/2003 10:27:16 PM PST by lizma
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To: Ethyl
His bio on www.nga.org says:

HOWARD DEAN, M.D., was born in New York City and grew up in East Hampton, New York. He received his bachelor's degree from Yale University in 1971 and his medical degree from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City in 1978. Upon completing his residency at the Medical Center Hospital of Vermont, he went on to practice internal medicine in Shelburne, Vermont. He was a member of the Vermont House of Representatives from 1983 to 1985. He was elected lieutenant governor of Vermont in 1986 and was reelected in 1988 and 1990. He became governor upon the death of Governor Richard A. Snelling on August 14, 1991. Elected to a full term in November 1992, he was reelected in November 1994, November 1996, November 1998, and November 2000.

He became an MD in 1978, and a congressman in 1983. That's the span to suspect, because a doctor in politics isn't likely to perform abortions no matter how pro-choice and liberal he is; it's controversial and can cost votes.

But if he worked at a Planned Parenthood clinic as an MD he may have performed or assisted another who performed. The odds that anyone with access to the records would leak that info---slim to nil.

I doubt it'll matter, there's so much else there to turn people off.
25 posted on 12/09/2003 10:34:29 PM PST by Graymatter (Let's issue a new $40 bill to honor our 40th president)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive
It would be too easy to dig up if he isn't.

In some states medical records only have to be held for 10 years. Do you really think Planned Parenthood would let them go public to hurt a pro-abortionist?
Maybe to blackmail him but never to hurt him in an election.

26 posted on 12/09/2003 10:37:32 PM PST by lizma
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To: Ethyl
" work as a contract obstetrician/gynecologist at one of the group's Vermont clinics in the late 1970s and early 1980s.."

His resume says he practiced internal medicine,with his wife.Specialties are not interchangeable-if his residency was in Internal Medicine,what were his qualifications to practice OB/GYN? No where can I find anything about Dean being Board Certified in any specialty,let alone OB-GYN. Did he ever take his Boards? If not,why not ? Did he flunk? Did he do any fellowships ? There seem to be a lot of gaps in Dean's medical training,that no one is asking about.
28 posted on 12/09/2003 10:37:53 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Ethyl
Even if Dean only perscribed birth control pills and fit women for diaphrams, wy did he throw in the "And neither did my wife?" Maybe some research on the wife is in order as well.
Does Dean ever say what KIND of Doctor?
What kind of practice does she have now, since she still practices?
29 posted on 12/09/2003 10:45:17 PM PST by tinamina
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To: Ethyl
Now we know why they love him so much.
30 posted on 12/09/2003 10:47:25 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Ethyl
Dean's Planned Parenthood Ties Raise Questions About Abortion
Marc Morano
Senior Staff Writer

Dean's experience with Planned Parenthood

Dean conducted his three-year residency at a teaching facility called the Medical Center Hospital of Vermont (now called Fletcher Allen Hospital) in Burlington beginning in 1978. During this time, in 1978 or 1979, according to Barrie-Hope Silver, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of Northern New England in Williston, Vt., Dean also served as an intern in an OB/GYN rotation at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Burlington. Silver was unable to pinpoint the exact date.

Mary Hahn Beerworth, executive director of the Vermont Right To Life Committee Inc., has researched Dean's involvement with Planned Parenthood and told CNSNews.com that Dean filled the non-mandated OB/GYN shift during his residency schedule despite the fact that it was not required for his degree as a doctor of internal medicine.

"The OB/GYN rotation is not required for [his degree]. He wanted to add that," Hahn Beerworth said.
CNSNews.com has also learned that Dean continued as a physician at the Planned Parenthood clinic in Burlington after his internship ended. Silver, the marketing director for Planned Parenthood of Northern New England (PPNNE), said Dean "was employed as a contract physician for PPNNE, providing routine GYN care and medical consults."

Dean further served on the organization's board of trustees between 1980 and 1984 as well as on PPNNE's medical advisory committee. On his presidential campaign website, Dean declares that he is "proud to have served as a Board Member of Planned Parenthood of Northern New England.

"I understand women's health, and I will defend the right of women to control decisions about their bodies," Dean says in the campaign statement.

As governor -- Dean was the state's chief executive between 1991 and 2003 - he helped secure $350,000 a year in taxpayer funds for the Planned Parenthood chapter, according to Hahn Beerworth and the state's financial support of Planned Parenthood continues in 2003, she said.

Planned Parenthood of Northern New England honored Dean in 1992 while he was governor by awarding him the organization's Margaret Sanger award, named for the group's founder. PPNNE called the award its "highest honor," and praised Dean for his work on behalf of reproductive health care and abortion rights.

PPNNE, which includes Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire, grossed $14.7 million in 2001 according to the group's 990 tax returns filed with the Internal Revenue Service. The national organization, through its state chapters, dispenses contraceptives and women's health services in addition to serving as the nation's largest abortion services provider.

Vermont, Dean and abortion

A Vermont court ordered abortions legalized in 1972, a year before the U.S. Supreme Court issued its Roe v. Wade decision that legalized the procedures nationwide. Planned Parenthood of Vermont, as it was then called, began offering abortions in 1978 at its clinic in Rutland, about an hour from where Dean worked in Burlington, according to documents provided to CNSNews.com by Planned Parenthood.

The clinic where Dean interned and later worked as a contract physician began performing abortions in 1982, Silver said. It is unclear when Dean's work as a contract physician for Planned Parenthood ended.

While Dean has denied ever performing an abortion, one of his past opponents in the race for governor, Republican Ruth Dwyer, believes the Democratic presidential candidate may not be completely forthcoming.

While admitting that she has no first-hand knowledge, Dwyer told CNSNews.com that, "I have a hard time believing [he did not ever perform an abortion], just knowing Howard." Dwyer ran unsuccessfully against Dean for governor in 1998 and 2000.

"To have him refuse [performing an abortion] would not make any sense to it at all," Dwyer said, noting Dean's support for legalized abortion. As for Dean's past involvement with Planned Parenthood, Dwyer added, "I can't imagine him not being offered the opportunity [to perform an abortion]."

But Judy Wechsler, a retired physician's assistant who worked with Dean in 1980 at the Planned Parenthood clinic in Burlington, Vt., said that since the facility where Dean worked did not offer abortion services, "that would not have been part of his clinical practice."

Asked whether she was aware of Dean performing or assisting in an abortion, Wechsler told CNSNews.com , "Not to my knowledge." She also had no knowledge of whether Dean's work as an intern or contract physician with Planned Parenthood would have taken him to the clinic in Rutland where abortions were performed.

Wechsler did say Dean would have likely offered referrals to young women seeking abortions, however.

"Planned Parenthood is an organization that provides a variety of OB/GYN family planning and women's health services and as a physician at that point of time (1980) [Dean] certainly would have been involved with the care of women who were facing the crisis of unintended pregnancies or perhaps a history of sexual abuse, a variety of difficult life situations," Wechsler explained.

"He certainly would have been prepared to provide counseling for women under those circumstances and his counseling would have included an array of what we call 'options counseling' for women facing an unintended pregnancy," she added.

Mark Crutcher, founder and president of the Texas-based pro-life group, Life Dynamics, found Dean's denial of having ever performed an abortion enlightening because the former governor seemed to imply that "medical doctors" would not be associated with abortions.

Noting that Dean had said, "I did not perform abortions, I'm a medical doctor," Crutcher told CNSNews.com , "I find it interesting that even these radical pro-abortionists who think abortion is just a great idea don't want to be associated with it."

"People in the medical community know that people that provide abortions are the scum, the washouts and the losers of medicine. What these people know is that abortion is the red light district of medicine, Crutcher said.

Other pro-life leaders are calling Dean's ties to Planned Parenthood unprecedented for a presidential candidate.

"His connection to the abortion industry is quite thick," said Michele Morin, the political committee chairman for the Vermont Right to Life Committee.

Several telephone attempts to Dean's campaign headquarters, seeking comment for this story, were not returned.

snip

In an appearance on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace , Dean, speaking from South Carolina, deflected any questions about abortion. However, he recently told an audience at a campaign stop that he was "tired of coming to the South and fighting elections on God, guns and gays.

"We're going to fight this election on our turf, which is going to be jobs, education and health care," Dean told the campaign crowd.


http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:BMHzLqeP-tsJ:crosswalk.com/news/1234767.html+Northern+New+England+chapter+of+Planned+Parenthood+Federation+of+America+Inc&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
31 posted on 12/09/2003 10:47:44 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Graymatter
Thanks, I knew he had graduated late 70's, so he really never completed his "doctor training" before going into politics! I wonder what field he did his residency - someplace I thought I read that was done at Planned Parenthood. Anybody have details?

This is from the AMA website:

Medical School (undergraduate medical education) -- 4 years at one of the LCME-accredited US medical schools, consisting of preclinical and clinical parts. After completing medical school, students earn their doctor of medicine degrees (MDs), although they must complete additional training before practicing on their own as a physician. (Note: Some physicians receive a doctor of osteopathic medicine [DO] degree from a college of osteopathic medicine.)

Residency Program (graduate medical education) -- Through a national matching program, newly graduated MDs enter into a residency program that is 3 to 7 years or more of professional training under the supervision of senior physician educators. The length of residency training varies depending on the specialty chosen: family practice, internal medicine, and pediatrics, for example, require 3 years of training; general surgery requires 5 years. (Some refer to the first year of residency as an "internship"; the AMA no longer uses this term.)


Fellowship -- 1 to 3 years of additional training in a subspecialty is an option for some doctors who want to become highly specialized in a particular field, such as gastroenterology, a subspecialty of internal medicine and of pediatrics, or child and adolescent psychiatry, a subspecialty of psychiatry.

After completing his or her undergraduate, medical school, and graduate medical education, a physician still must obtain a license to practice medicine from a state or jurisdiction of the United States in which they are planning to practice. They apply for the permanent license after completing a series of exams and completing a minimum number of years of graduate medical education.

32 posted on 12/09/2003 10:49:41 PM PST by donnalee
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To: Ethyl; Admin Moderator
The title of this thread is misleading. It really should have a question mark at the end. The link doesn't go to an article with the headline as it reads now, and the blurb doesn't state as a fact that Dean performed abortions.

To be sure, it strains credulity that an OB/GYN working in a PP clinic wouldn't be called upon to perform abortions ("I am a medical doctor" is a strange dodge, as if abortionists weren't M.D.s), but we don't have evidence in this piece or elsewhere as yet -- which, IMHO, is among the facts Dean is hiding in his archived records.

33 posted on 12/09/2003 10:58:53 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Ethyl
Yet, Mr. Dean's extensive ties to the Northern New England chapter of Planned Parenthood Federation of America Inc., including an internship and work as a contract obstetrician/gynecologist at one of the group's Vermont clinics in the late 1970s and early 1980s, are producing more questions about the nature of that involvement at a time when Planned Parenthood was cementing its role as America's largest abortion provider, the reporter said.

He worked for Planned Parenthood??

34 posted on 12/09/2003 11:05:35 PM PST by Mo1 (House Work, If you do it right , will kill you!)
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To: Ethyl
Dean is a nazi baby killer.
35 posted on 12/09/2003 11:09:46 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Howard "Draft Dodger" Dean

Baby-Killer too.

36 posted on 12/10/2003 12:37:24 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Reagan Man
Sleeves have been rolled up ever since....
38 posted on 12/10/2003 2:09:52 AM PST by At _War_With_Liberals (This is the 1st US election in which a global party (socialists) are trying to defeat a party (Reps))
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To: Mr. Mojo
Savage rules.
39 posted on 12/10/2003 2:10:53 AM PST by At _War_With_Liberals (This is the 1st US election in which a global party (socialists) are trying to defeat a party (Reps))
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To: tinamina
General.
40 posted on 12/10/2003 2:12:35 AM PST by At _War_With_Liberals (This is the 1st US election in which a global party (socialists) are trying to defeat a party (Reps))
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To: vaudine
Yes, if Dean were Clinton, he'd say "I never aborted any children but I did do some vaginal extractions of unviable tissue masses" and the media would just nod their heads and believe every word.
41 posted on 12/10/2003 2:18:57 AM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
what were his qualifications to practice OB/GYN?

At an abortion clinic, you need no license or qualifications. Everyone knows that. It could be an auto mechanic. Nobody's going to tell on the "doctor" - not the clinic, not the patient, not PP and certainly not the doctor. That's abortion's dirty little secret. Cash up front and no questions afterwards.

42 posted on 12/10/2003 2:25:04 AM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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To: Ethyl
.....but adamant that he hasn't performed any abortions - First rule of politics never believe anything until it's officially denied!
43 posted on 12/10/2003 2:42:25 AM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: Ethyl
What do OB/GYN doctors to at abortion clinics?????

Planned Parenthood is not exclusively an abortion clinic. They distribute birth control, treat VD, and various other things.

That said, I still think Dean is a liar.

44 posted on 12/10/2003 2:56:27 AM PST by Salman (Mickey Akbar)
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To: Ethyl; MeeknMing; potlatch; PhilDragoo; GeronL


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45 posted on 12/10/2003 3:00:34 AM PST by autoresponder (<html> <center> <img src="http://0access.web1000.com/HV.gif"> </center> </html> HILLARY SHOOTS!)
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To: Ethyl
There is a way to check up on Dr. Dean's malpractice insurance coverage--if he performed abortions then that would be reflected in his malpractice coverage during those years. Perhaps planned parenthood carried the malpractice insurance. Anyway with the freedom of information act that we can get than information? Any way to get the information re: any medical malpractice claims on Dr. Dean? I know it is out there, but not knowledgeable enough to figure out how to get.
46 posted on 12/10/2003 3:11:47 AM PST by olliemb
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To: thatdewd; Torie
<< ...unless Dean is a total delusional sociopath... >>

He's delusional and a psychotic -- but not a sociopath.

That's too easy an out. He knows what he's doing.

And that marks him a psychopath.

Of the predatory co-serial-rapist, Rotten-KKli'toon, variety.
47 posted on 12/10/2003 3:16:18 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Ethyl
The MDs working on general health and wellness issues do not always do the surgery. There are contract MDs that
do Pap Smears and pelvic exams and write RX for the patients. Dr. Dean may have done exams for PP but it does not mean he actually did any abortions at all. He may have just been one of the many that picked up extra money by doing routine exams for women needing healthcare. The cost for the routine check for women is minimal. Women entering a PP clinic are usually not there for abortion. They are usually there for a health check for cheap money. They do not have the money for $100.+ GYN visits.
48 posted on 12/10/2003 3:38:36 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: Torie
Don't you think Dean might worry that if he is lying, one of his "patients" might out him (maybe for big bucks from whomever), with medical records to prove it, to utterly destroy him?

Let's suppose Dean actually gets caught in a lie of this magnitude. Dollars to donuts he will skate. A charge like this has absolutely no legs among his supporters, including the presstitutes. Remember the big flap about his alleged draft dodging? About Clinton's "I tried it but didn't inhale" confession.

And suppose the charge did have legs? Who would Democrats beleive? A respected Liberal doctor or some slut who was under anethestic at the time?

49 posted on 12/10/2003 4:02:29 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: lizma
He could be outed by one of the nurses or the other staff. It will be interesting. His Dem opponents will not out him on this one because if it is found out it will only strengthen him with the pro-death crowd within the Dem Party.
50 posted on 12/10/2003 4:05:29 AM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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