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Enough With The Neocon And Paleocon Carping—I'll Stand With George W. Bush In 2004
Toogood Reports ^ | Thursday, December 11, 2003; 12:01 a.m. EST | Bernard Chapin

Posted on 12/10/2003 8:59:00 PM PST by BobbyK

Enough With The Neocon And Paleocon
Carping—I'll Stand With George W. Bush In 2004

Like most Toogood Reports readers, I observed this year's battles within the conservative ranks with profound discomfort. In my mind, there are far too many real enemies out there to waste time and print fighting one another.

It seems that the world of conservatism has been split up between the "conservatives" and the "paleo-conservatives" or between the "conservatives" and the "neo-conservatives." Both sides present themselves as the bona fide article and the other side as the one in need of a prefix.

Personally, I just want to spit up this strife the same way the bleachers of Wrigley Field do the opposition´s home run balls. This qualifies as a "which side are you on boys" issue. It is my goal to conserve America's wonderful, non-living Constitution, and to forever preserve the personal and economic freedoms that embody our way of life. If you agree with me about these basic propositions, then you're on my side and the rest of your views are of secondary concern. Simply revering the spirit of the Founding Fathers puts you in the top 50 percent of the population on the Chap-o-meter.

Not only is an inter-journalist, inter-intellectual, conservative civil war fruitless, it is also detrimental to the nation as a whole. The country needs all of our efforts just to have a chance of mitigating the damage the culture war has wrought.

Our daily resistance may be the biggest obstacle to the federal pacman swallowing up fifty percent of the economy. We cannot afford to bicker amongst ourselves. The odds are too great. Obsessing over who said what about Taki, Buchanan, Frum, Lowry or any of the other public figures who make up the American right is counter-productive.

The neocon/paleocon debate is as bewildering as it is petty and misguided. Sadly, some conservatives now feel more comfortable with leftists than they do their own kind [I know of one who astonished me by saying that he regards the American Enterprise Institute as "The Death Star"]. Certainly, internal disagreements are to be expected, but they are trivial in comparison to accepting the positions advocated by the other side of the political spectrum. Socialism, cultural Marxism, white guilt, and radical feminism are eternal obstacles to advancing society. Other conflicts pale in importance when compared to them.

I propose that we abandon slurs like paleo-con and neo-con. Instead we should all evolve into "Logicons." The Logicon refuses to slash at the brethren who march alongside him because maintaining some level of public harmony is the only logical way in which we will succeed. Logicons realize that our fighting strength should not be diluted by internecine combat.

Much of the controversy currently centers around President Bush and whether or not one approves of his job performance. I've written here and elsewhere how much I personally admire him, but I also acknowledge that certain criticisms have been valid. Those who label him a big spender are correct in their assessments. He has not used his veto to curb the size of government and has developed a habit of hugging Ted Kennedy's voluminous appropriations.

While this is unfortunate, to pretend that Bush is not the best bet for advancing the country's interests is shortsighted. There are many conservatives out there who could do a better job of slashing outlays, but it is highly unlikely that any of them could get elected by our emotive and squishy electorate. On our side, George W. Bush "feels their pain" better than anyone. He brings in moderate voters the way my old Erie Dearie lures used to bag walleyes .

The problem is one of perspective. We can spend time complaining about steel tariffs or the administration´s pathetic capitulation on affirmative action last summer. Yes, I would have been greatly pleased if he disseminated a Michigan Law brief of his own after the decision entitled “O´Connor a Known Fruitcake,” but the fact is that he didn't and there´s nothing we can do about it. However, we must keep our outlook global by remembering what the alternatives are.

What would Al Gore do with affirmative action? How about Howard Dean, the neurotic would-be-king, with Al Qaeda? Makes you shudder doesn´t it? After the election, Al Sharpton would take his standup around the world as our Secretary of State and we´d hear Patricia Ireland lambasting “patriarchal textbooks” in her role as Secretary of Education.

In actuality, my examples really aren´t all that farfetched. The radical left has been carrying the Democrat Party since 2001 and, now, if the Democrats win, bills will need to be paid.

Rather than fantasize about an ideal future, conservatives need to think about how things can, and will, get devastatingly worse, should Bush lose. Be it Dean or Kerry or whatever burrito they decide to roll out of the Taqueria next summer, the fate of the country will be in jeopardy. By this time in 2006, there will be a foreign policy coward in every pot and a benefit check in the hands of every college drop out. Think France, think Germany, and then be grateful we have a president who doesn't spit after saying "tax cuts."

Besides, the Bush Presidency has produced many hidden benefits. His appointees may well be our salvation even though he backs obese budgets. In the latest issue of The New Criterion, we see that his appointments to the National Endowment of the Arts have had a wonderful effect. Under Dana Gioia, the agency is sponsoring Macbeth for military bases and has resurrected traditional Shakespeare at the national level [Shakespearean plays are now staged as in the days of old which means brothels and bath house scenes are no longer mandatory].

I don´t care if you insult him or trade in Karl Rove conspiracy theories, but, in November of 2004, this particular rightist is going to stand by George W. Bush just as the bumper sticker on my car promises. Our hopes for a better tomorrow rest in the White House on his bed. We must support him because heady days await and also because his reelection keeps the Democrat Party headless. Let´s proudly stand by our man as he loudly subsumes the popular positions of the left while promoting many of ours in the shadows though his judges, appointees, and minions.

By
Bernard Chapin


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bigbudgetbush; biggovernmentbush; bushbots; bushdemocart; bushisclinton; bushsocialisim; carping; changeminds; democrats4bush; election2004; gwb2004; neoconbush; paleoconbush; rino; rinobush; rinorinorino; sandradayoconor4bush; saudisforbush; socialists4bush; standonleftwithbush; votefordean
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Besides, the Bush Presidency has produced many hidden benefits. His appointees may well be our salvation even though he backs obese budgets.
I think I may see some triangulation going on, the right is harping on the medicare, the left loves the CFR.
1 posted on 12/10/2003 8:59:01 PM PST by BobbyK
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To: BobbyK
Great article.
2 posted on 12/10/2003 9:00:05 PM PST by Valentine_W
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To: Jagermeister
A sensible voice, finally!

If people would only listen...
3 posted on 12/10/2003 9:02:54 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: BobbyK
OUTSTANDING! Thanks for posting!
4 posted on 12/10/2003 9:05:13 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- OU Sooners are #1in the BCS)
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To: BobbyK
"Rather than fantasize about an ideal future, conservatives need to think about how things can, and will, get devastatingly worse, should Bush lose. "

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Conservatives and libertarians, anyone listening?

Remember whom your votes against GHW Bush got us: 8 painful years of Clinton.

Do we want 8 years of Dean?

Without exaggeration, the very existence of our country and way of life may be at stake.

5 posted on 12/10/2003 9:06:06 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: BobbyK
Eminently sensible.
6 posted on 12/10/2003 9:06:42 PM PST by JmyBryan
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To: BobbyK
Carping, Chapin??? That's called "political dissent," a very Constitutional thing to do. You go ahead and support the Leftist Bush if you want to, and I'll try to find a real Conservative to vote for...you know, one who won't sign away my political Free Speech rights?
7 posted on 12/10/2003 9:08:03 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: FairOpinion
Remember whom your votes against GHW Bush got us: 8 painful years of Clinton

The SPIN stops here: It wasn't 'our votes' that got us 8 painful years of Clinton, it was GHW's failure to uphold Republican values.
8 posted on 12/10/2003 9:09:24 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: BobbyK
"When all is said and done, when it comes to domestic issues, it looks to me like the legacy of the Republican control of Congress and the presidency for the first time in 50 years is going to be the largest entitlement in modern times, the greatest increase in domestic spending in modern times and one of the greatest set-backs for liberty in modern times. That's the legacy of Republican control of government. This may be "compassionate" conservatism, but it's not "conservatism" at all."

RUSH LIMBAUGH 12-10-03
9 posted on 12/10/2003 9:12:37 PM PST by Kay Soze (As society must bear huge medical costs of ones "recreational activities", it must exert influence)
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To: BobbyK
Over the next year and a half there are two things that I truly look forward to:

1. Voting against my GOP Congressman who supported this bill (There isn't a chance in hell that I'll vote for a Democrat, so I'll be writing in "Mickey Mouse" for Congress next November).

2. Accumulating enough fraudulent legitimate tax deductions to get myself a tax cut equal to about one-sixth of my Federal tax liability for 2004. That's for the 60 out of 365 days in which the First Amendment is being suspended in this country.

10 posted on 12/10/2003 9:15:34 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: BobbyK
Finally, a conservative with some common sense!

As a university professor, I know exactly what the Democrat/progressive/neo-Marxist/radical feminists, secularists, environmentalists, and any other 'ist' you can think of have planned for this country.

President Bush is the only person standing between us and cultural oblivion. Why do you think the left despises him so?!
11 posted on 12/10/2003 9:16:21 PM PST by DrDeb
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Carping, Chapin??? That's called "political dissent,"

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NO, It's called "cutting off your nose to spite your face".
12 posted on 12/10/2003 9:16:31 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Alberta's Child
"Voting against my GOP Congressman who supported this bill "

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I am sure his Dem opponent will be very grateful to you.

How do you think he would vote?
13 posted on 12/10/2003 9:18:05 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: nopardons
PING for a rare sensible article. :)
14 posted on 12/10/2003 9:18:32 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Ping for common sense for a change.
15 posted on 12/10/2003 9:18:38 PM PST by Indie (The answer to all our problems is to ban lawyers from working in government.)
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To: FairOpinion
I can certainly change my mind. But only if my Congressman calls me and explains what the hell he was thinking when he cast that vote.

Sound fair to you?

If he wants my vote, the least he can do is work for it. Otherwise, it's Mickey Mouse for this district in New Jersey.

16 posted on 12/10/2003 9:20:13 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: Kay Soze
And only yesterday Rush was lauding the President for SAVING OUR ECONOMY!

Rush has his own agenda particularly when it comes to CFR!

17 posted on 12/10/2003 9:21:00 PM PST by DrDeb
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To: FairOpinion
Apparently the perpetual whiners, AKA 2%rs, haven't had much to complain about for the past few months, but they're sure making up for it today with the SCOTUS decision to disregard the constitution and uphold most of CFR. Now they're gonna search for the ever illusive "True Conservative" and write in whatever this unelectable phantom's name is, and that will show us, just look at the lesson they taught us in 1992 and 1996!!!! Bill Clinton will never forget them and neither will I
18 posted on 12/10/2003 9:25:48 PM PST by MJY1288 (The Democrats Have Reached Rock Bottom and The Digging Continues)
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To: BobbyK
101 Common Sense.
19 posted on 12/10/2003 9:28:29 PM PST by elli1
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
No, it was political naifs', the gullibles', and the painfully stupids' votes, that got us 8 long, weary, horrid, treasonous years of the Clintons; that's whose votes it was.

You're the one spinning, spinning so childishly, that it's a wonder you don't topple. Actions and votes have consequences. Those seeking to " teach a party/president a lesson", don't " teach " any lessons at all. Instead, they prove to the rest, just how stupid, near sighted, and obtuse they are. Perot was a snake oil salesman, who was a complete loon. Anyone who imagined that a Clinton presidency wouldn't be much different from/worse than 4 more years of GHW Bush, should never consider themselves to be politically astute nor competent.

And, NOT voting to re-elect this President Bush, due to some preposterous one or two issues,shouldn't be on FR at all!

Now, THAT is what a spinless post looks like. :-)

20 posted on 12/10/2003 9:34:47 PM PST by nopardons
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To: FairOpinion
Thanks for the ping. Unfortunately, the damned UNAPPEASEABLES, will still continue to refuse to see the light.
21 posted on 12/10/2003 9:36:53 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Alberta's Child
I think the sensible thing to do in my opinion is to write him and tell him you are disappointed in him, and certainly hope that he will make up for this by being serious about bringing the Federal Budget under control.

I think in Bush's second term, IF he will have a Republican Congress -- and it's up to us to help with that -- he will be enable to do much more in the areas of cutting spending and taxes.

So -- do you want to "cut off your nose to spite your face" or do you really want to have conservative reforms.

Look at the consequences of your actions, don't act in haste for a dubious momentary satisfaction, which will cause tremendous disaster later, such as getting a Dem Congress and maybe not get Bush reelected.

Just think of Dean or Hillary with a Dem Congress, if you don't like what Bush and the curent Congress is doing now.

The thing to do is to elect MORE Republicans, to counteract the Dems, NOT the other way around.
22 posted on 12/10/2003 9:36:57 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
It wasn't 'our votes' that got us 8 painful years of Clinton, it was GHW's failure to uphold Republican values.

Who people voted for had nothing to do with it? And you accuse others of spin, shame on you.

23 posted on 12/10/2003 9:37:40 PM PST by squidly
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To: nopardons
"UNAPPEASEABLES, will still continue to refuse to see the light."

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As evidenced by some of the posts right here.

They would rather see the Dems destroy the country, than face reality.
24 posted on 12/10/2003 9:39:17 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: squidly
History has a way of repeating itself.
25 posted on 12/10/2003 9:39:56 PM PST by Kay Soze (As society must bear huge medical costs of ones "recreational activities", it must exert influence)
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To: Kay Soze
It's crazy, you'd think some of these people were born in '93.
26 posted on 12/10/2003 9:42:01 PM PST by squidly
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To: squidly
The Dem "divide and conquer" strategy has found it's gullible victims -- the communists very aptly used to call them "useful idiots".

They sell out their own, by claiming "high moral principles". They are the Dems best friends.

They just don't seem to get it, that if you don't vote for a Republican, you get a Democrat.

Even laboratory rats can be thought, and are able to learn, that if you pull one lever, you get a certain thing.

But some are either incapable of learning, that if you pull any other lever, but the one to vote for a Republican, you ARE voting for a Democrat and you are responsible for them getting elected.
27 posted on 12/10/2003 9:42:49 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Kay Soze
"History has a way of repeating itself."

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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. "

--- Albert Einstein
28 posted on 12/10/2003 9:46:06 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Obviously.

Anyone even thinking about NOT voting for a GOPer, because of this or that, has to FINALLY come to grips with the fact that they are helping the Dem candidate. If said candidate is running for either House, then that lose, should there be one, destroys the GOP majority. The GOP majority in the Senate, especially, is so THIN, that the Dems and the damned RINOs get away with murder now. Don't like the fact that the GOP tends to cave? Then for this nation's sake, don't give them any more advatange!

But, as I previously stated, some refuse to learn. They should be forever barred from posting to FR! They don't know and are incapable of comprehending the smallest of facts about government/politics.

29 posted on 12/10/2003 9:50:09 PM PST by nopardons
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To: FairOpinion
Amen

'Tis EXACTLY what the republican party is doing.

And yet they think the results will be different!
30 posted on 12/10/2003 9:51:00 PM PST by Kay Soze (As society must bear huge medical costs of ones "recreational activities", it must exert influence)
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To: Kay Soze
No, you quite misunderstood. Try rereading what FO wrote and stop reading posts through your own biases. :-)
31 posted on 12/10/2003 9:54:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: FairOpinion
As a libertarian, I voted for Harry Browne in 2000. And I still believe in its ideals.

But as somone once said, "Perfection is the enemy of the good." In my view, inspite of things like the steel tarriff and the new Medicare Bill, Bush is more likely to follow the libertarian ideals than any of the Democrats. After all, Ron Paul (R-TX) is a past Libertarian Presidential candidate. And in light of what happened on 9/11, I cannot take the chance that my vote for the Libertarian candidate in 2004 will help a Democrat get into office.

So, Bush will get my vote instead.
32 posted on 12/10/2003 9:57:15 PM PST by Dave Olson
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To: Dave Olson
"And in light of what happened on 9/11, I cannot take the chance that my vote for the Libertarian candidate in 2004 will help a Democrat get into office.

So, Bush will get my vote instead."

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Your post made my day! :)

Congratulations for being intelligent, sensible and understanding the high stakes in the next election.
33 posted on 12/10/2003 9:59:36 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Dave Olson
BRAVO ! You get it...you actually get it. :-)
34 posted on 12/10/2003 10:01:09 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
I get it.

Bush bought my vote with a tax cut that my two sons will have to pay for.

He is repeating the VERY same mistakes his father did and believes it will not cost him.

If we let him drift any furhter left he will make Ted Kennedy look like Barry Goldwater.


35 posted on 12/10/2003 10:02:41 PM PST by Kay Soze (As society must bear huge medical costs of ones "recreational activities", it must exert influence)
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To: Kay Soze
"If we let him drift any furhter left he will make Ted Kennedy look like Barry Goldwater. "

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I guess you will be much happier with Dean or Hillary, right?
36 posted on 12/10/2003 10:06:39 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: nopardons
I never said I would not vote for Bush!

But I am one of a few dozen in California trying to push him back to the right of the politcal spectrum.

And probably one of about five on this GOP board.

37 posted on 12/10/2003 10:09:05 PM PST by Kay Soze (As society must bear huge medical costs of ones "recreational activities", it must exert influence)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
I'll try to find a real Conservative to vote for

You mean like Barry Goldwater? Right to the end, huh?
38 posted on 12/10/2003 10:09:19 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: DrDeb
President Bush is the only person standing between us and cultural oblivion. Why do you think the left despises him so?!


DrDeb,you, madam, have hit the motherlode with that statement!
39 posted on 12/10/2003 10:11:03 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: nopardons
Perot was a snake oil salesman, who was a complete loon

You rate him that highly?
40 posted on 12/10/2003 10:12:58 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: nopardons
And, NOT voting to re-elect this President Bush, due to some preposterous one or two issues,shouldn't be on FR at all!

What if I have almost two dozen plus issues on which I'm not going to vote for Bush over? Can I stay? ;-)

And I do have those reasons!

41 posted on 12/10/2003 10:15:34 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: Kay Soze
Bush bought my vote with a tax cut that my two sons will have to pay for.


Exactly how will your two sons pay for a tax cut?
42 posted on 12/10/2003 10:15:53 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Kay Soze
"But I am one of a few dozen in California trying to push him back to the right of the politcal spectrum."


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Do you realize that by doing that -- attacking our own, -- you are hurting his reelection chances?
43 posted on 12/10/2003 10:16:16 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Kay Soze
Barry Goldwater, after NOT winning the presidency, went faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar lefty/Libertarian/out to la la / cloud coocoo land.

The first President Bush didn't give any of us any tax cuts, didn't go after Saddam ( instead, he listened to Powelll and the U.N. and some of our " allies " ), and though weak,he would never have sold out the USA ( or committed any other similar dirty deed, that the Clintons did!), so NO, you don't get even that.

You children won't be " paying " for the tax cuts. You stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the myriad good to great things that this President Bush has done. Your blinkers are tied on so tight, it's a complete wonder that you are able to see much of anything at all.

You are an UNAPEASEABLE , who prefers to complain, rather than to have even a few things you attest you want. Frankly, you want perfection and nothing else will do. Well, I've some news for you...you aren't going to get even 75% of what you imagine it is that you want from a president/government; not ever!

For some, the glass is always 1/2 full, for others, it's always 1/2 empty, for the UNAPPEASEABLES, there's NO GLASS! ;^)

44 posted on 12/10/2003 10:16:22 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Fledermaus
You have to face reality. Your choice is NOT between some ideal conservative, who doesn't even exist, vs. Bush.

Your choice is between Bush, who is keeping us safe vs. Dems would would sell us out to terrorists and terrorist nations, by undercutting our defenses.

Not to mention, ask yourself where do the Dems stand on the issues you are criticizing Bush about?

Will you be happier and better off under Dean or Kerry or Hillary, than you are with Bush as President?
45 posted on 12/10/2003 10:19:38 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Kay Soze
Bush bought my vote with a tax cut that my two sons will have to pay for.

You obviously do not understand, in anyway shape or form, the concept of tax rates on the taxable base.

According to the static thinkers like you, Wal-Mart should be bankrupt because for decades they've "rolled back prices". Are your children going to have to "pay for it" in higher toilet paper prices when they turn 25 because Wal-Mart sells you some Charmin 20% lower than last year?

46 posted on 12/10/2003 10:20:05 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: Fledermaus
Would you rather have Howard Dean ( or anyother of the dwarves ) as president ?

Can you find at least three things, that President Bush has done, which you agree with ?

Do you even KNOW all of the things he's managed to do, or are you only aware of the things that you don't agree with him about ?

After answering those quetions, to yourself, then tell me why President Bush's re-election is not what you want and I'll decide if I ( and I don't run FR, so it matters not a whit. LOL ) think you should stay. :-)

47 posted on 12/10/2003 10:21:07 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Kay Soze
First, the right of the political spectrum understand tax policy when it comes to tax rates. You do not.

Second, this is NOT a GOP board. It's a conservative board. If you think GOP and conservative are mutually exclusive, you've made a mistake.
48 posted on 12/10/2003 10:21:54 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: Fledermaus
Heck, you can stay, just for this post alone; not to mention the fact that we're usually friends and I anjoy talking with you. LOL
49 posted on 12/10/2003 10:23:19 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"For some, the glass is always 1/2 full, for others, it's always 1/2 empty, for the UNAPPEASEABLES, there's NO GLASS! ;^)"

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Good one! True, too.

Or if there is a glass, they rather break it, than pour some water into it, if they can't fill it to the brim, and rather die of thirst -- which wouldn't be so bad, except they take us down with them.
50 posted on 12/10/2003 10:23:22 PM PST by FairOpinion
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