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The real issue is "Why do Americans feel they need guns?" You have to address what is starting the problem.
6 posted on 12/12/2003 11:32:59 AM PST by kever
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Who says that is the real issue? How about "Why do slow developing disruptors from Canada care about American guns?" I think that's the real issue.

Back in March:
"I've been a supporter of the cause for a very long time - since Bush first mentioned a pre-emptive strike last fall - unlike most people who started supporting it late in the game and only when the bombs started falling....last week. And I am Canadian - Western Canadian that is."

Now:
"The majority of Canadians still do not want anything to do with the war - why would we want to bid on contracts there. The US blew it up - go for it - rebuild it on your own - who cares. Bush and his minions got their oil so they might as well keep everything else they can steal from Iraq."

And now that you're out of the closet, you're on the anti-smoking, anti-gun, anti-hunting parade. The protection of furry beings must be high on your list, because you were never much able to hide that one.








7 posted on 12/12/2003 12:32:06 PM PST by m1911
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Re:"The real issue is "Why do Americans feel they need guns?" You have to address what is starting the problem."

If one looks at the sales rate of guns versus the creation of gun control laws, in many instances it seems obvious that people are reacting to what they perceive as encroaching prohibition. A few years back one of the heads of a gun industry group gave credit to the Clinton Presidency and their success in passing national gun control laws with the spike in sales.

An obvious parallel is with alcohol prohibition. The consumption of hard liquor went up with its banning. Certainly some of this has to do with the risks and the economics of smuggling: it's cheaper and more effective to smuggle concentrated forms than dilute forms, particularly if the legal consequences are the same. No one bothers smuggling coca leaves or opium tar. This same mechanism is now at work in England, where the contraband guns being smuggled in are largely military arms of eastern european origin. When the penalty is the same, why mess with a cheap .25 when a submachine pistol can be had for the same cost.

When you treat people like criminals, they often behave like them.

8 posted on 12/12/2003 12:40:40 PM PST by LibTeeth
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To: kever
The real issue is "Why do Americans feel they need guns?"

It's a Bill of Rights, not a bill of "needs". You don't need a tub - a shower will get you clean. (And, kids drown in tubs.) You don't need indoor carpeting or even running water. You don't need sports cars and you don't need personal computers, or cell phones, or phones at all. (Write a letter!) But we are a society where needs don't enter into the exercise of rights.

You have to address what is starting the problem.

Guns start problems? Please explain then why America's non-gun murder rate is higher than a lot of other place's total murder rate. And then, please go right ahead and explain how that properly places blame on American guns.

11 posted on 12/12/2003 2:52:17 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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The real issue is "Why do Americans feel they need guns?" You have to address what is starting the problem.

Actually, the real issue is why you subjects in our Northern Economic Dependency feel that you don't need guns. Most certainly such a mindset is cowardly and immoral. And considering that you have disbanded your entire military establishment, [except for Princess Patricia's Pink Panty Regiment] you obviously feel no obligation to be prepared to defend Freedom at home or abroad. And now you wankers are whining about not being allowed to bid on reconstruction contracts in Iraq!!! You are as cowardly and morally toxic as the Frogs and the Krauts.

12 posted on 12/12/2003 3:26:08 PM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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