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David Warren: Something Rotting (Specifically, Canada, "at the back of our freezer")
The Ottawa Citizen ^
| December 13, 2003
| David Warren
Posted on 12/13/2003 10:01:56 PM PST by quidnunc
The political genius of Jean Chrétien was for bluster. By refusing to acknowledge the law of contradiction in his public statements, the retiring prime minister was often able to straddle incompatible positions. A prime example was Iraq, where, over two years, he succeeded in preventing any lucid human being from discovering whether Canada supported the U.S.-led removal of Saddam Hussein's regime. To the last, his gift for muddling and confusing the most straightforward issues was on display.
When President Bush phoned to say his fare-thee-well, the issue naturally arose. According to the White House, Mr. Bush acknowledged that the exclusion of Canada from a list of 63 allies who could bid for U.S. taxpayer-funded reconstruction projects in Iraq was open to general discussion. It is extremely unlikely that, in the circumstances, Mr. Bush said anything else for he has repeated the same message to the leaders of France, Germany, Russia and others who did not make the list.
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Everything is political, even politics, and our new prime minister would be wise to read not only the messages from the Bush administration, but the tenor of U.S. public opinion. The amount of unhappy attention Canada has received on, for instance, Internet weblogs across the States, is an indication of the scale of our problem. We have joined France in the dungeon of U.S. public opinion (though in a slightly warmer cell). France itself is passing through a phase of soul-searching, as a glance at the Paris nonfiction bestseller lists will show. It should disturb us that nothing of that nature is happening up here. The idea that we might be unreliable allies, who have funked on our responsibilities towards the whole West, is not something that has yet occurred to us.
In Washington, my impression is that the senior statesmen in the administration and Congress can go weeks without thinking about Canada at all which has been just as well, since 9/11/01. For when they do think of us, they do not have pleasant thoughts. Remarks such as those of Françoise Ducros, the prime ministerial aide who called the U.S. president a "moron" and was not immediately fired, have indeed penetrated. Canada's non-appearance in Iraq, beside our old allies Britain and Australia, was fully taken in. Our vain moral posturing on things like the Kyoto treaty and Guantanamo inmates has helped to rub the salt deeper.
There remains a certain reserve of seemingly inextinguishable goodwill, but it is based on events receding into the past, when Canada was a much different country. For the present and foreseeable future, the "special relationship" is gone, and Canada is looked upon across a considerable breadth of the U.S. political spectrum as an unreliable and irritatingly mouthy neighbour. Or, in the entirely off-the-record words of one of my Republican correspondents, "Something rotting at the back of our freezer."
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This is what I've been saying for some time.
1
posted on
12/13/2003 10:01:57 PM PST
by
quidnunc
To: quidnunc
Somethings rotten alright
2
posted on
12/13/2003 10:11:00 PM PST
by
GeronL
(Is your Tagline weak, limp and ineffective? Has it hurt your relationship? Try TiAGra today!!!!)
To: quidnunc
Canada? Doesn't that company make ginger-ale?
3
posted on
12/13/2003 10:23:39 PM PST
by
WackyKat
To: quidnunc
Hopefully there will be a change in attitude now that Chretien is gone. We've always had good relations and I hope that doesn't change. But I remain infuriated at Chretian's remarks.
To: quidnunc
" But we are no longer trusted, and Mr. Martin is unlikely to find the political room -- given the leanings of the Canadian media and his own political constituency -- to restore that trust." David Warren is one Canadian who "gets it". We don't trust Canada because they are not trustworthy.
5
posted on
12/13/2003 10:33:28 PM PST
by
Sunsong
(Free Republic is a conservative, American site -- try to keep that in mind...)
To: Sunsong
The solution to Canada is quite simple.
Give Quebec back to France. (I really do hate France that much.) Give Vancover back to whomever will take her. That leaves the fly over country of Canada that thinks like us and would be a welcome addition to the United States.
6
posted on
12/13/2003 10:48:18 PM PST
by
cpdiii
To: cpdiii
The solution to Canada is quite simple.Give Quebec back to France.
Wrong. Qebecois hate France as much as they hate England. It was only after some Englad-vs.-France war that the French gave Qebec to the English (they hadn't lost it militarily, they swapped it for some other colony by treaty). The Qebecois felt betrayed (and rightly so) and are still mad at the French.
If anything, Qebec would become independent. It will be a cold day in hell (or a warm day in Montreal) before Qebec willingly rejoins France.
7
posted on
12/13/2003 11:16:08 PM PST
by
xm177e2
(Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
To: cpdiii
"the fly over country that thinks like us"...foolishly ignorant.
8
posted on
12/14/2003 12:09:17 AM PST
by
spyone
To: xm177e2
"It was only after some Englad-vs.-France war that the French gave Qebec to the English (they hadn't lost it militarily, they swapped it for some other colony by treaty)."
Suggest you check out history of the French & Indian War 1754-1763.
9
posted on
12/14/2003 12:50:49 AM PST
by
Gnarly
To: WackyKat; GeronL; All
Something rotting in the fact the bloody day late and a quid-short-nunc cannot -- now that his wickedstep-girlymandad won't let him plaster his room with poop any more -- get attention any other way than by obsessively-unecessarily excerpting newspaper pieces.
The political genius of Jean Chrietien was for bluster. By refusing to acknowledge the law of contradiction in his public statements, the retiring prime minister was often able to straddle incompatible positions. A prime example was Iraq, where, over two years, he succeeded in preventing any lucid human being from discovering whether Canada supported the U.S.-led removal of Saddam Hussein's regime. To the last, his gift for muddling and confusing the most straightforward issues was on display.
When President Bush phoned to say his fare-thee-well, the issue naturally arose. According to the White House, Mr. Bush acknowledged that the exclusion of Canada from a list of 63 allies who could bid for U.S. taxpayer-funded reconstruction projects in Iraq was open to general discussion. It is extremely unlikely that, in the circumstances, Mr. Bush said anything else -- for he has repeated the same message to the leaders of France, Germany, Russia and others who did not make the list.
But Mr. Chrétien then told the media about another conversation entirely. In his first version, Mr. Bush told him "not to worry", Canada wouldn't be blacklisted. Various among his aides struggled to explain this in various ways. Enterprising reporters ran these back to the White House press office, which did not budge from its own account of the conversation.
Later on Thursday, emerging from his final cabinet meeting, Mr. Chrétien's recollection of the chat had "evolved". He now said Mr. Bush had said that Mr. Bush "wasn't happy" Canada wasn't on the list; adding this characteristic gibberish: "He was to do what is needed to change it. What is the words? You know, 'I can fight with 20 guys in between.' It's what he said."
Paul Martin might wish to speak like that, but doesn't know how. Our new prime minister inherits a huge foreign policy problem: the Chrétienization of our relations with the hyperpower that occupies 100 per cent of our land frontiers, and upon whose goodwill our peace, freedom, and prosperity entirely depend. Mr. Martin has himself placed the improvement of this relationship among the several dozen "priorities" of his new government.
He is in a fix. His predecessor played to the anti-American gallery in his own Liberal Party and on the Canadian left, whenever he felt it was safe to do so. And Mr. Martin cannot now safely cease to play this game, without putting the support of that constituency at risk. Yet it is hardly in the Canadian national interest for him to do, in the present atmosphere, anything other than shamelessly appease the American giant.
Everything is political, even politics, and our new prime minister would be wise to read not only the messages from the Bush administration, but the tenor of U.S. public opinion. The amount of unhappy attention Canada has received on, for instance, Internet weblogs across the States, is an indication of the scale of our problem. We have joined France in the dungeon of U.S. public opinion (though in a slightly warmer cell). France itself is passing through a phase of soul-searching, as a glance at the Paris nonfiction bestseller lists will show. It should disturb us that nothing of that nature is happening up here. The idea that we might be unreliable allies, who have funked on our responsibilities towards the whole West, is not something that has yet occurred to us.
In Washington, my impression is that the senior statesmen in the administration and Congress can go weeks without thinking about Canada at all -- which has been just as well, since 9/11/01. For when they do think of us, they do not have pleasant thoughts. Remarks such as those of Françoise Ducros, the prime ministerial aide who called the U.S. president a "moron" and was not immediately fired, have indeed penetrated. Canada's non-appearance in Iraq, beside our old allies Britain and Australia, was fully taken in. Our vain moral posturing on things like the Kyoto treaty and Guantanamo inmates has helped to rub the salt deeper.
There remains a certain reserve of seemingly inextinguishable goodwill, but it is based on events receding into the past, when Canada was a much different country. For the present and foreseeable future, the "special relationship" is gone, and Canada is looked upon across a considerable breadth of the U.S. political spectrum as an unreliable and irritatingly mouthy neighbour. Or, in the entirely off-the-record words of one of my Republican correspondents, "Something rotting at the back of our freezer."
We make a great mistake on the other side if we assume the U.S. will retaliate against this. The U.S. pursues its national interest, as we pursue ours, and the Americans cannot benefit from making the relationship any more sour. But we are no longer trusted, and Mr. Martin is unlikely to find the political room -- given the leanings of the Canadian media and his own political constituency -- to restore that trust.
He can improve the relationship in minor ways, however, simply by resisting his predecessor's tendency to make incoherent rhetorical gestures. His formula should be: "If you can't say anything nice, shut up."
David Warren
10
posted on
12/14/2003 5:32:27 AM PST
by
Brian Allen
( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
Canada sucks.
It used to be a great place full of great people.
For the last decade, while I lived in Europe, every Canadian I have met has been a radical anti-American a$$.
Look at how US children have been treated as guests of the Canadians at recent sporting venues, and one sees that it is not just the government of Chretien, but the very liberal Canadian populace at large.
11
posted on
12/14/2003 5:52:25 AM PST
by
Bon mots
To: xm177e2
You probably never heard of Montcalm, but he was the French general who lost Quebec to the British in the French & Inidan War in about 1770. I can tolerate some ignorance of history, but your direct espousing of assertions that are contradictions of history, is just too much.
12
posted on
12/14/2003 7:51:27 AM PST
by
ontos-on
To: Bon mots
Yeah, I think you are right. The Canadian educational system has been captured by the left for generations. There is a deep seated socialism and leftist pacifism in Canada that extends to the average Jack and Jill. They have been obsessed for a long time about how much under the American cultural influence they are. They hate us and love us, but they stupidly have the naivite of the left unmoderated by American love of country. They feel like Finnland and have no conception as to how much they really depend on us for their safety and relative peace----let alone their standard of living. It is like a country of college leftists who never grow up because they never have anything important to do or decide. We enable their cheap drugs and their pacifism. They are largely children.
Let them go, the article is right that we should not retaliate against them; dont trust them; dont rely on them; just dont listen to their foolish self-indulgent counsel and advice.
13
posted on
12/14/2003 8:02:33 AM PST
by
ontos-on
To: cpdiii
Give Quebec back to France. (I really do hate France that much.)
France wouldn't take Quebec. The French see the Quebecois as backward primitives.
14
posted on
12/14/2003 8:18:28 AM PST
by
gcruse
(http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
To: quidnunc; Tolik
Thanks for the post!! Pinging it to our FRiend Tolik!
Lando
15
posted on
12/14/2003 8:21:46 AM PST
by
Lando Lincoln
(I'm thinkin', I'm thinkin'....)
To: ontos-on
FYI, Even in the early 1970's the Canadians had more active relations with the red chinese at a time when we had a strict no contact policy.
16
posted on
12/14/2003 8:22:20 AM PST
by
ontos-on
To: quidnunc
Bookmark for later read.
Don't want to mar the joy I'm feeling today over the capture of Saddam by contemplating the short-comings of my government.
God bless America and your brave men and women in uniform.
17
posted on
12/14/2003 10:45:47 AM PST
by
kanawa
(48*26'06.6" 83*30'00.2")
To: quidnunc
To: ontos-on
Your observation of the Canadian school system having been hijacked by the Leftist Socialist Liberal establishment has been "borrowed" by the NEA right here in the US.
To: xm177e2
Qebecois hate France as much as they hate EnglandWell. You're almost right. I guess one could say it's the thought that counts. At least you didn't turn around and try and beat the hell out of the Canadian Education System .
Wolfe defeated Montcalm in 1759 and the English garrisoned Quebec City . A French -Canadien army of about 4000 marched on Quebec City in the spring of 1760 and trounced the English garrison , who had marched out to meet the them , again , on the Plains of Abraham. They retreated back into Quebec City . Then both sides sat looking at each other and only when a warship arrived on the river was it settled. The ship was English . Had it been French the English would have surrendered .
The Treaty of Paris gave to England , Canada and everything east of the Mississippi and England promised to allow the Canadien their language and their religion. They swore allegiance to England and have done so ever since.
btw , They speak Quebecois and Joual , not French . And after almost 250 years they're as far removed from France as Americans are from England.
20
posted on
12/14/2003 12:48:15 PM PST
by
Snowyman
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