Uncle Tom's Cabin

Lew Rockwell ^ | 12/16/03 | Gail Jarvis

[GOPcapitalist]

Your stats are wrong, which also puts the credibility of your book in doubt. The US Navy records the Kearsarge that sank the Alabama as "a 1550-ton Mohican class steam sloop of war." A quick google search reveals this statistic to be the standard for the ship. See http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-k/kearsarg.htm

[Non-Sequitur]

Trade you some grits for some maple syrup

We don't do maple syrup here in Kansas. Got some pretty good barbecue and beer, though.

happy New Year, Yank.

Back atcha.

[Non-Sequitur]

Your same source lists the Alabama displacement as 1,438 tons. So your source is just as suspect as mine was. http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org12-7d.htm

[Non-Sequitur]

I am quoting from the source I have posted the the past, the Congressional Globe account of the August 1, 1846 vote on the Warhousing act. The act is printed in its entirity and contains none of the clauses that you claim. It is listed here . I have no idea where you are getting your information from.

[Non-Sequitur]

Janie Corbin was only 6 years old. Even southerners don't marry them off that young.

Jackson's aide, Sandie Pendeleton, fell for Janie's older sister, Kate, and later married her.

[TexConfederate1861]

I am aware of her age, but Stonewall treated her like his own daughter. There was no impropriety like mac_jerk implies!

But if you are trying to get me steamed, just give it up.

[mac_truck]

I am aware of her age, but Stonewall treated her like his own daughter.

And yet she wasn't his daughter. She was someone else's daughter, and she shouldn't have been traipsing through an army camp in the middle of winter, much less visiting with Jackson in his private quarters.

Would you permit one of your children to have such a relationship with another adult like this, or would hero worship blind you to the impropiety?

[Non-Sequitur]

I can't speak for mac_truck, an old and trusted friend and someone I respect, but personally I don't think that there was anything more to it than a lonely soldier who missed his wife and child and who lavished attention that he couldn't give his own family on a small and, by all accounts, lively 6 year old. No more and no less. And Jackson wasn't alone, the whole staff enjoyed the antics of the precocious child. Any hanky-panky going on was more likely between Sandie Pendelton and Kate Corbin.

[4CJ]

Would you permit one of your children to have such a relationship with another adult like this, or would hero worship blind you to the impropiety?

Stonewall's army encamped in tents pitched in the grove behind the Moss Neck Plantation stables. Jackson had declined an offer from Mrs. Richard Corbin to occupy as many rooms as he wished in the main house. Capt. James Power Smith noted that the Janie Corbin did cut out military figures from paper.

Gen. Jackson was a devout Christian and his men knew it. On his deathbed, Jackson was informed by Dr. Pendelton, the 'whole army is praying for you, General'. Jackson replied, 'Thank God, they are very kind. It is the Lord's Day, my wish is fulfilled. have always desired to die on Sunday.'

Would I have let my daughter associate with such a man? Unequivocally yes. God would that we had such leaders today.

[TexConfederate1861]

Stomewall was a devout Christian, and yes...without a doubt, I would have trusted him around my children.

You Sir, are a piece of work. I have seen some despicable, low, underhanded tactics used on FR by some of you Neo-Yankee types, but accusing a good Christian man such as Stonewall Jackson is LOW INDEED!

Now, either provide evidence of this, or stand branded for the low-down scallawag I suspect you of being.

But of course, you can't, as none exists. We have a word for people of your caliber, here in Texas: BRAZEN COWARD

[TexConfederate1861]

We have had our disagreements on FR, but I have a lot of respect for you, even if we disagree. However, this friend of yours is a sick puppy. Stonewall Jackson's memory is revered the world over for his high moral character, and excellent military record, and mac_jerk has crossed the line in my opinion. It is as disrespectful as someone slandering Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain. I may not agree with the side he took in the late conflict, but I respect him for the good, Christian man he was.

But some people have no limits, or self control.

[Non-Sequitur]

Before you get all wrapped up in Stonewall, don't forget that the same man who the movie depicted as cutting out paper dolls and making hats for the 6 year old Janie Corbin also saw nothing wrong with purchasing a 4 year old slave girl for training as a maid for his wife. I doubt that little Emma saw many paper dolls or many toys at all during her time with the Jackson family.

[4CJ]

Stonewall gave them a gift far better than a toy, he shared the Gospel of our Lord and Saviour with them. He organized a Sunday School class for them (and other slaves) in 1855 at the Lexington Presbyterian Church where he served as deacon. Up to 100 slaves attended services. Jackon gave them books and Bibles as a reward for their efforts. During the war he sent $50 back for the classes.

I'd recommend Dr. Robertson's Stonewall Jackson, The Man, The Soldier, The Legend.

[Non-Sequitur]

Stonewall gave them a gift far better than a toy, he shared the Gospel of our Lord and Saviour with them. He organized a Sunday School class for them (and other slaves) in 1855 at the Lexington Presbyterian Church where he served as deacon. Up to 100 slaves attended services. Jackon gave them books and Bibles as a reward for their efforts. During the war he sent $50 back for the classes.

Partly correct. Jackson taught the Sunday school it is true. But the school was sponsored by the Presbyterian church and had been in place before Jackson began teaching it, and continued after he left. The school was open to free blacks as well as slaves. Such schools were common throughout the south where the churches and slave-owners both considered it their Christian duty to bring the gospel of Jesus Christ to their heathen chattel. Jackson did not give them books or Bibles since reading was not taught in the class.

I'd recommend Dr. Robertson's Stonewall Jackson, The Man, The Soldier, The Legend.

I'd recommend Byron Farwell's "Stonewall: A Biography of General Thomas J. Jackson".

[4CJ]

Jackson did not give them books or Bibles since reading was not taught in the class.

Sigh.

Lexington, Va.
June 7^th/58

Dear Sir,

In compliance with your request I proceed to give you a statement respecting the condition of the Lexington Colored Sabbath School. But in doing so, I feel it unnecessary to say more than a few words, as you are already acquainted with its leading features. The school is usually opened by singing part of a hymn, which should be announced the previous Sabbath. This is followed by reading one or more verses from the Bible, with explanations & applications; this is succeeded by prayer. After this each class is instructed by its teacher from the Bible, catechism and hymn book. At the close of the school which is near forty five minutes from the opening, there is a public examination on two verses of the child catechism, published by our Board. These verses should be announced the previous Sabbath. After the close of the examination, the school is dismissed, the remaining part of the opening hymn having been sung immediately after the examination.

The system of reward you are acquainted with, and the premiums so far have been near a dozen Testaments and one Bible. The day of their presentation is the first Sabbath of each month. Several scholars are studying the shorter catechism at the present time. Each teacher keeps a class book in which is noted each scholar's department in school. The lesson should be taught one Sabbath, with a view to examination & mark on the next. Each teacher at the close of the month give me a circular (blanks having been furnished) exhibiting for each scholar the manner in which the lesson has been prepared, the conduct in school, no. of lates, absences, &c. From these circulars, I make a monthly entry in the record book, which contains not only the no. of lates & absences, but also the names of the teachers, scholars, owners, persons with whom the scholars are living, the lates & absences of teachers, and a weekly record of the proceedings of the school. By reference to the record book, I find 91 to be the no. of scholars there reported.

Praying that the S. school convention may be a great blessing to the cause & to yourself I remain your attached friend.

T. J. Jackson
Thomas J. Jackson, Letter to Prof. John Lyle Campbell, 7 Jun 1858

Online here. Emphasis mine.

[Aurelius]

"Virtue is the uncontested prize."

Uncontested by you for sure.

[4CJ]

But the school was sponsored by the Presbyterian church and had been in place before Jackson began teaching it, and continued after he left.

Excerpt from letter written by VMI Cadet Samuel B. Hannah, VMI Class of 1863 referring to the death of Gen. T. J. "Stonewall" Jackson:

Dr White preached his funeral, the old Gentleman seemed and I know he was deeply afflicted, for from all accounts the Gen. took quite an active part in the church and was the founder of the Colored Sunday School and the main stay of it as long as he was in Lexington.

Online here

[Aurelius]

Slavery made the south what is was. Slavery was an institution that almost all southerners felt would be passed on to their children and their grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

Why do you post statements like that when you know damn well there is no truth in them?

[mac_truck]

Gen. Jackson was a devout Christian and his men knew it.

My sister's pastor will not ride alone in a car with any woman besides his own wife because of the appearance of impropiety. He too is a devout Christian and the whole community knows it.

Would I have let my daughter associate with such a man? Unequivocally yes.

As would I, in social settings at my home with other adults present. However, I do not believe that an army camp is the proper environment for a little girl in any circumstance, much less than in the middle of winter.

[mac_truck]

I don't think that there was anything more to it than a lonely soldier who missed his wife and child and who lavished attention that he couldn't give his own family on a small and, by all accounts, lively 6 year old.

Do you diagree with that description Tex?