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Vatican Shuffler (Cardinal Martino exposes the Church to mockery)
The American Prowler ^
| 12/17/2003
| George Neumayr
Posted on 12/16/2003 11:37:46 PM PST by nickcarraway
At the very moment secular society needs the moral wisdom of the Church, Cardinal Martino exposes it to mockery
On top of Tuesday's Drudge Report at one point appeared two reports. "Human Clone Experiment 'Repeated Successfully,'" said one. "Vatican Official Slams Handling of Saddam," said the other. The proximity of the reports effectively captured the fecklessness of the post-Vatican II Church: As countries hurtle toward an increasingly demented moral culture, Church officials are squandering their moral authority on liberal causes beyond parody.
Cardinal Renato Martino, head of the Vatican's Justice and Peace department, makes Howard Dean look circumspect. Martino, described remarkably as a "diplomat," thought it appropriate this week to nitpick America's treatment of Hussein. "I felt pity to see this man destroyed, (the military) looking at his teeth as if he were a cow. They could have spared us these pictures," he said. "Seeing him like this, a man in his tragedy, despite all the heavy blame he bears, I have compassion for him."
At the very moment secular society needs the moral wisdom of the Church, Martino exposes it to mockery. All so that he can indulge his customary bashing of the U.S. He frequently makes wild comments about America. During the war, he accused it of a "crime against peace," allowing himself inflammatory rhetoric American officials would never dream of using about him. What makes this even more obnoxious is that his position on war isn't even remotely orthodox. He is committing the Church to a pacifist position Augustine and Thomas Aquinas would regard as rank heresy.
Asked directly earlier this year -- can any war be just? -- Martino said no. So much for the just war teaching. This of course sows immense confusion amongst the faithful. Does the Church dispel it? No, they let the confusion-maker sow even more of it. Martino's perverse solicitude for a savage dictator makes the Vatican look as frivolous as the ACLU.
Liberal Church officials -- who didn't make a peep when Terri Schiavo's cloddish husband tried to dehydrate her to death -- will now speak up for Hussein's right to life. The same pacifism that leads Church officials to forbid war against a mass murderer will forbid the death penalty against him. In its official documents Church officials can't quite bring themselves to oppose war or the death penalty outright. But nevertheless they portray a pacifist position their predecessors would consider heretical as a "development" of teaching. They deform Catholic teaching and call it development. And it is one -- a development of Catholicism into modern liberalism.
The opposition to war and the death penalty is not coming from a more acute understanding of Church teaching but from a culture of modern liberalism hostile to it that has long grown inside the Church.
In another moment beyond parody this week at the Vatican, Church officials, panting after the modern liberal world, invited a Hip-hop singer to perform at their Christmas festival, only to see their oh-so enlightened rapprochement with modern pop culture blow up in their faces when Lauryn Hill lectured them on moral responsibility. The Hip-hop performer even used a word most Catholics haven't heard from a Catholic pulpit for decades-- "repent." Lauryn Hill isn't exactly Catherine of Siena, but Church historians may find it notable that 21st century bishops were the subjects of moral lectures from rap performers. Hill basically called the bishops whitened sepulchers, "I did not come here to celebrate the birth of Christ with you but to ask you why you are not in mourning for his death inside the place," she said. "God has been a witness to the corruption of his leadership, to the exploitation and abuses
Therefore you must repent, repent." Hill, then, according to Variety magazine, performed such songs as "Damnable Heresies."
It was a public relations embarrassment Renato Martino must have wanted to preempt.
George Neumayr is managing editor of The American Spectator.
TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
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posted on
12/16/2003 11:41:36 PM PST
by
nickcarraway
(www.terrisfight.org)
To: nickcarraway
Thanks for the ping.
To: nickcarraway
I heard this today and just shook my head. Heading to uselessnes and obscurity quickly. My hope that the RCC gets taken firmly into the hands of the layity.
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posted on
12/17/2003 12:01:39 AM PST
by
txzman
(Jer 23:29)
To: nickcarraway
"
They deform Catholic teaching and call it development. And it is one -- a development of Catholicism into modern liberalism. . . . The opposition to war and the death penalty is not coming from a more acute understanding of Church teaching but from a culture of modern liberalism hostile to it that has long grown inside the Church."
'Amen' to the damning, ruinous world of Liberalism.
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posted on
12/17/2003 12:19:29 AM PST
by
cricket
To: txzman
Yup. I am not a Catholic, but I have the greatest respect for those that I know (and don't know). But when I read stuff like this:
"I felt pity to see this man destroyed, (the military) looking at his teeth as if he were a cow. They could have spared us these pictures," he said. "Seeing him like this, a man in his tragedy, despite all the heavy blame he bears, I have compassion for him."
I am sorry and ashamed... This can't be the real teachings of Catholicism.
To: txzman
The Vatican can not even take care of it's own pedophile priests, and have no business telling anyone what they think they should do.
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posted on
12/17/2003 12:29:47 AM PST
by
tessalu
To: nickcarraway
The trouble is that the CC is just like a communist party: the prez is selected by the inner circle, and defective dogma n' stuff in compounded.
I think the CC should become democratic, permitting the members to elect the honcho. Norm Schwartscopf (sp?) would be a great pope. Is he Catholic?
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posted on
12/17/2003 12:49:50 AM PST
by
dasboot
To: dasboot
It's not the dogma that's defective, the stuff spouted by these guys is not dogma, it's not even doctrine, it is merely their opinion. What matters is only what the Pope says, which is readable on his official website. Also, nice idea about Norm, but the pope is elected from within the College of Cardinals, a group that has changed radically under the current pope as he has appointed many more from third world countries and latin america. But within the Vatican, there is still the European mindset.
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posted on
12/17/2003 3:06:02 AM PST
by
enuu
To: nickcarraway
I think the Cardinal needs to re-evaluate his moral compass. He of all people should appreciate that one should show no sympathy for the Devil.
And on that thought...
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posted on
12/17/2003 3:28:06 AM PST
by
Prime Choice
(Leftist opinions may be free, but I still feel like I'm getting ripped off every time I receive one.)
To: little jeremiah
"I felt pity to see this man destroyed, (the military) looking at his teeth as if he were a cow Well, moo.
To: enuu
What matters is only what the Pope says, which is readable on his official website. This sounds like a grand technicality, when a real high-up opens his mouth to pontificate (pardon the pun), shoving his foot so far down his own mouth that it reappears out his hind end, and he isn't immediately served a heaping helping of "shut the *bleep* up." Can you imagine the furor in, say, the Southern Baptist Convention if something analogous happened?
To: HiTech RedNeck
Unfortunately, in statements surrounding the war, the Vatican seems to have turned its back on centuries of just war teaching and now appears to assume that any war is unjust. That is NOT the Catholic position as it has been traditionally held. Something similar happened with the death penalty, as Justice Scalia points out. It seems to me that it is, rather, the tendency of a lot of Western intellectuals to weenie out when it comes to assigning blame and to feel more sympathy for the criminal than the victim.
In any event, this kind of stuff is embarassing to me. I became a Catholic after being born and raised a Protestant, and I don't regret it. Both Catholics and Protestants have a lot to be embarassed about historically, and suggestions that the church become more democratic, I think, are naive, ahistorical and unbiblical. But, unfortunately, some folks in the Church, like alot of Protestants, have forgotten where they came from on at least some issues. This is a general Western tendency. But Christ promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against his church. I trust and pray that this too shall pass.
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posted on
12/17/2003 4:57:51 AM PST
by
bigcat00
To: nickcarraway
This poor excuse for a leader is part of the Holy See to the UN. Contact information is:
.Address
25 East 39th Street
New York, NY 10016-0903
(Voice/Data
Tel: (212) 370-7885
Fax: (212) 370-9622
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holysee@un.int I urge all Catholics to help take back the Church from these wackos who are taking over.
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posted on
12/17/2003 5:47:51 AM PST
by
hilaryrhymeswithrich
(Al Franken is a pimple on the butt of liberalism)
To: HiTech RedNeck
"when a real high-up"
He's not really that high up. There are lots of low- and mid-level functionaries at the Vatican.
"and he isn't immediately served a heaping helping of "shut the *bleep* up."
I think millions of Catholics would love to feed him a spoonful of that.
"Can you imagine the furor in, say, the Southern Baptist Convention if something analogous happened?"
These days, to have furor you have to have media coverage, and I really don't think the media are going to give the other side a hearing, do you?
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posted on
12/17/2003 6:03:24 AM PST
by
dsc
To: nickcarraway
Keeping this article bumped!
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posted on
12/17/2003 7:01:22 AM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
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posted on
12/17/2003 7:02:28 AM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: dasboot
**I think the CC should become democratic,**
Won't happen!
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posted on
12/17/2003 7:03:30 AM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Salvation
Thank God for that, I tend to think we'd be outnumbered by the liberal and progressive (read dissenting) Catholics. I do tend to view the recent pronouncements on the Death Penalty and War as misguided, they are developing Church teachings from positions, they have never been before, the ground is being laid for a dissenter (if ever elected, Holy Spirit will prevent that I pray), to overturn centuries of Church teachings on everything.
To: NWU Army ROTC
I agree with your misgivings. On death penalty, it is still (just barely possible) to reconcile the Pope's teachings as consistent with Tradition if it is seen as a prudential decision about whether society needs it in the present state. The pacifism of Cardinal Martino is shocking and disgraceful, although it is not dogma and has not yet reversed the just war teaching. I don't recall hearing the Vatican uttering any condemnation of Saddam Hussein's numerous human rights violations and violations of international law. They were against the first Gulf War, for goodness' sake, when Saddam had clearly violated international law by invading another country.
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