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Try Saddam? Justice in war. (William F. Buckley Jr.)
National Review Online ^ | December 17, 2003 | William F. Buckley Jr.

Posted on 12/17/2003 1:23:38 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy

Try Saddam? Justice in war.

What earth is it that we should want from Saddam Hussein? The New York Times set are going on about an exemplary trial which will vindicate international tribunal procedures, abiding by "the complex legal issues posed by this trial" (to quote one editorial); which can be done only using "specialists in human rights and war crimes issues." Oh yes, and it would be hard to get participation by lawyers from enlightened states if the trial were to permit capital sentences.

The baloney here is truly offensive.

Here is what we should want, from Saddam, live:

As much information as we can usefully get from him concerning the whereabouts of subordinate criminals from his regime. As also, what accounts he can give us of the preparations he had in mind for a future arsenal of war weapons, and what he knows of stratagems for concealing those that he had.

We should insist on priorities in the matter of his trial that transcend Ethics 101 courses on Proper Procedures in the prosecution of-criminals. We have three models here to inform us.

The Nuremberg trial (l945-46) was singular because none such had ever been done; because the setup of it was political (a Soviet judge, whose country had engaged in every crime the Nazis were being tried on, participated and had certain veto powers); and because, among the defendants, there were those who could conscientiously plead not guilty. Indeed, three were exonerated, so that was a call for judicial discrimination.

The Eichmann model was, once again, sui generis. He had been scooped up from Argentina, raising international political and legal questions. He was unquestionably criminal, but the recounting of the Holocaust story over a period of months served the purpose of reminding the world of the pandemic nature of Nazi guilt. The Israelis had abolished capital sentences. But, with a little nod at legal convention, reinstated it for the commendable purpose of giving the Israeli people a satisfaction not otherwise achievable.

The model in The Hague gives us Slobodan Milosevic as the star player. That action is in its third year. It has served only the purpose of encouraging equivocations, in which Milosevic is as accomplished as he was in executing a genocidal approach to ethnic cleansing. A truly balanced judiciary is at work here. Three judges of disparate backgrounds. One Englishman, one South Korean, and one Jamaican. One might mention the international court in Sierra Leone, commissioned to look into regional war criminals. The court has been operating for about a year. There have been indictments. Nobody has yet been tried.

The very idea that Saddam Hussein needs the niceties of Blackstone's laws prescribing judicial procedure and the means of protecting the innocent is a surrender to epistemological pessimism: the notion that you can't ever really prove anything. Built into that nihilist surrender is doubt about first principles. If there is anybody in town who believes that Saddam Hussein is not guilty of crimes however described, what we need to worry about is him, not Saddam. The notion that we should be immobilized by the kind of skepticism that demands full-blown trials with judges from Jamaica and amici curiae from Russia and France tells us that a lot more is riding here than the fate of Saddam Hussein.

It isn't to ask for lynch law or even for victor's justice to say simply: This is a man, finally apprehended, who killed by the thousands and tortured his country, committing genocide north and south. His "trial" should be of the order we'd have given to Adolf Hitler if he had been taken alive. Exhibit him, make him dwell on what he has done, satisfy the Iraqi people that we share their concern, and that having dispatched an army to their country to contain and disarm him, we will back the Iraqi court that sends him to the gallows. If anybody around wants to plead his cause, go ahead. There will always be fever swamps from which they can make their nescient calls.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: capital; crime; iraqijustice; punishment; saddam; trial; war; williamfbuckley

1 posted on 12/17/2003 1:23:40 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy
We should insist on priorities in the matter of his trial that transcend Ethics 101 courses on Proper Procedures in the prosecution of-criminals. -William F. Buckley Jr.
2 posted on 12/17/2003 1:25:16 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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"If there is anybody in town who believes that Saddam Hussein is not guilty of crimes however described, what we need to worry about is him, not Saddam."

Trust me Mr. Buckley, there are plenty of folks like this, right here in this country.

We should monitor the Iraqi's in their trial of him and televise his execution in prime time.

3 posted on 12/17/2003 1:30:20 PM PST by ImpBill ("America! ... Where are you now?")
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To: NutCrackerBoy
nescient

adj 1: holding that only material phenomena can be known and knowledge of spiritual matters or ultimate causes is impossible [syn: unbelieving] 2: lacking general education or knowledge; "an ignorant man"; "nescient of contemporary literature"; "an unlearned group incapable of understanding complex issues"; "exhibiting contempt for his unlettered companions" [syn: ignorant, unenlightened, unlearned, unlettered]
4 posted on 12/17/2003 1:30:48 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Buckley is intelligent, erudite, but redundant. John Wayne said it much better: "Give him a fair trial, and a proper hanging."

Congressman Billybob

Click here for discussion thread on latest column, "This Thread is Hugh & Series, Political & Critical."

5 posted on 12/17/2003 1:33:14 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
No, no, no.

First the sentence, then the trial.

6 posted on 12/17/2003 1:45:47 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Insisting on priorities versus epistemological pessimism: (the notion that you can't ever really prove anything.)

We see this failure of adult balance in those who would pursue the current war on terrorism as a law enforcement problem, such as Ralph Nader.

7 posted on 12/17/2003 1:47:42 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Congressman Billybob
John Wayne did not go to Yale, which is probably a good thing.
8 posted on 12/17/2003 1:48:28 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
"It isn't to ask for lynch law or even for victor's justice to say simply:
This is a man, finally apprehended, who killed by the thousands and tortured his country, committing genocide north and south.
His "trial" should be of the order we'd have given to Adolf Hitler if he had been taken alive.
We should insist on priorities in the matter of his trial that transcend Ethics 101 courses on Proper Procedures in the prosecution of-criminals."
-William F. Buckley Jr.





At Nureunberg, we would have tried Hitler for 'crimes against humanity', using all the "Proper Procedures in the prosecution of-criminals".
-- Yet Buckley now insists on priorities that "transcend Ethics".

I don't get it.. How can we convince the world that Saddam equalled Hitler, if we don't insist on a fair trial?


9 posted on 12/17/2003 2:12:57 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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To: ImpBill
I think there's a dilemma for holding a live, public trial with Saddam:
Whatever courtroom chosen, it will be visited by attacks of vengeance or of terrorism. There's a real danger to the Iraqi jurists and attendees and no amount of security could guarantee the safety of everyone.

So here's a brief plan:
Take one of the Saddam doubles to a mock trial, televise it, and allow all manner of disreputable folk in attendance (Fedayeen, perhaps). These will make up the "bait" trial. Let the event be televised but forbid real journalists from attending live (remote cameras are Ok.)

I imagine we could smoke out any real terrorist attacks with this scenario and get some use out of the Saddamn doubles, which we must surely have.
10 posted on 12/17/2003 2:34:45 PM PST by Mr_Slippery
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To: tpaine
Buckley now insists on priorities that "transcend Ethics". I don't get it.. How can we convince the world that Saddam equalled Hitler, if we don't insist on a fair trial?

That transcend Ethics 101 courses. Transcend, to go beyond the limits. Proof of guilt will be abundant to adults. The painstaking process of establishing legal guilt would distract from the communicative goal.

Exhibit him, make him dwell on what he has done, satisfy the Iraqi people that we share their concern, and that having dispatched an army to their country to contain and disarm him, we will back the Iraqi court that sends him to the gallows. -William F. Buckley Jr.

Show that he was Hitler incarnate.

11 posted on 12/17/2003 2:38:04 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy
"If anybody around wants to plead his cause, go ahead. There will always be fever swamps from which they can make their nescient calls".

OUCH! I am really enjoying that reference to the N.Y. Slimes Newspaper. Lay it on them thick Bill, heaven knows they've earned it. 'Word for the day' BUMP also.

12 posted on 12/17/2003 2:55:51 PM PST by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug and Holier- than- Thou Socialist)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Show that he was Hitler incarnate.
11 -NutCboy-






Who me? --Why should I "show that he was a Hitler incarnate"?

That's the neocon line, not mine. I think he's just another two bit tinpot.. 100 Million on his head would have taken him out years ago, with no wars needed, imo.



13 posted on 12/17/2003 3:13:49 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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To: tpaine
I worded it badly. I did not mean to challenge you to show anything about Saddam. I meant to reiterate WFB's point that the trial must unmistakably communicate the enormity of Saddam Hussein's crimes.
14 posted on 12/17/2003 3:25:07 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy
Look, there is no possible defense that can acquit Saddam of the crimes he has committed. There's no doubt whatsoever that he committed them. The only purpose a trial can have is to detail the crimes for which he will be put to death.
15 posted on 12/17/2003 4:33:27 PM PST by thoughtomator (The Federal judiciary is a terrorist organization)
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To: thoughtomator
Correct.
16 posted on 12/17/2003 4:50:10 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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