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Libertarian Harry Browne: Bush Did Not Liberate Iraq
HarryBrowne.org ^ | Dec 15, 2003 | Harry Browne

Posted on 12/17/2003 8:04:12 PM PST by Commie Basher

Sunday's capture of Saddam Hussein made it a great day — a great day for empty rhetoric and meaningless posturing by politicians and journalists.

Somehow it was assumed by politicians and the press, without explanation, that Hussein's capture has vindicated the Bush administration's attack on Iraq. But from September 2002 to March 2003, George Bush said nothing about capturing Saddam Hussein. Instead, Bush talked incessantly about weapons of mass destruction and Iraq's ability to attack the U.S. with them — as well as Al Qaeda camps in the Iraqi desert. How does finding Saddam Hussein make Bush's claims any more true than they were last week?

We're told that that the Iraqis can see now that Saddam Hussein isn't coming back to power — as though they couldn't figure that out for themselves with 130,000 foreign troops occupying their country.

But in the wonderland occupied by politicians and journalists, the capture of Hussein must mean that all the resisters — also known as "loyalists of the old regime" — would have no more reason to resist.

Some politicians said that if anti-war protesters had their gotten way, Hussein would be in his palace today, instead of in jail. Yes, and if the anti-war protesters had gotten their way, several hundred Americans and thousands of Iraqis would be alive today, instead of dead.

The press played its part in the celebration. Wolf Blitzer of CNN said that Hussein's capture proves to the world that "the President of the United States means business" — whatever that means.

In fact, we've known all along that George Bush means business — the business of getting reelected.

There were plenty of TV pictures of Iraqis firing AK-47s into the air. But no inquiring minds bothered to ask how everyday Iraqis could be carrying AK-47s out in the open, when the American occupiers have imposed strict gun-control edicts and are at war with resisters.

What if Saddam Hussein says that all the dreaded Weapons of Mass Destruction were destroyed years ago? Well, we know that George Bush believes in preemptive strikes, and he's already made one on this front. On Monday, he said of Hussein:

He’s a liar. He’s a torturer. He’s a murderer. . . . He’s a — he’s just — he is what he is: He’s a person that was willing to destroy his country and to kill a lot of his fellow citizens. He’s a person who used weapons of mass destruction against citizens in his own country. And so it’s — he is the kind of person that is untrustworthy and I’d be very cautious about relying upon his word in any way, shape or form.

In other words, "Believe him only if he confirms what I've been telling you for the past year."

Liberation

Donald Rumsfeld said that Hussein's capture means that the Iraqis can now be free in spirit, as well as in fact.

Ah yes, liberated Iraq. It is now a free country. George Bush has liberated it.

How has Iraq been liberated? Let me count the ways . . .

1. The country is occupied by a foreign power.

2. Its officials are appointed by that foreign power.

3. Its citizens must carry ID cards.

4. They must submit to searches of their persons and cars at checkpoints and roadblocks.

5. They must be in their homes by curfew time.

6. Many towns are ringed with barbed wire.

7. The occupiers have imposed strict gun-control laws, preventing ordinary citizens from defending themselves — making robberies, rapes, and assaults quite common.

8. Trade with some countries is banned by the occupying authorities.

9. The occupiers have decreed that certain electoral outcomes won't be permitted.

10. Families are held hostage until they reveal the whereabouts of wanted resisters — much like the Nazis held innocent French people hostage during World War II.

11. Protests are outlawed.

12. Private homes are raided or demolished — with no due process of law.

13. The occupiers have created a fiat currency and imposed it on the populace.

14. Newspapers, radio stations, and TV are all supervised by the occupiers.

This is liberation in the NewSpeak language of politics.

Words like freedom just don't seem to mean what they used to, do they?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1gawdwhatanasshole; bush; harrybrowne; iraq; iraqwar; liberaltarians; libertarianparty; libertarians; losertarians; punklibertarians; saddamhussein; smurfs
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I changed the title of the article, because it was vague. I think my title more accurately reflects the article's position.
1 posted on 12/17/2003 8:04:13 PM PST by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher
Thanks for the chuckle.

"What kind of idiot [would] think it would be acceptable to sell or make available narcotics to individuals under 18 years old?"


"Hello."

2 posted on 12/17/2003 8:06:43 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Commie Basher
Am I to presume that Mr. Browne would be happier if Saddam Hussein were still in power (rather than in prison)? Sure as hell sounds like it.
3 posted on 12/17/2003 8:06:57 PM PST by Prime Choice (Leftist opinions may be free, but I still feel like I'm getting ripped off every time I receive one.)
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To: Commie Basher
Browne continues to demonstrate that he despises the United States.

And this is the voice of the Libertarian Party?

4 posted on 12/17/2003 8:07:13 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Commie Basher
The policy here is not to do that. If you feel the urge to express your individuality, then keep the title then say what you want to say in parenthesis.

Anyway, all the above proves is that the Libertarian Party is not for serious people. It peaked in 1980 with about a million votes - and its been downhill ever since, which is a good thing.
5 posted on 12/17/2003 8:08:47 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: Commie Basher
Appears the term "lunatic fringe" is not reserved exclusively for democrats.
6 posted on 12/17/2003 8:09:58 PM PST by verity
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To: Commie Basher; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah; hellinahandcart
Keep 'em coming, Harry. The LP needs more zeroes to the right of its decimal point.
7 posted on 12/17/2003 8:14:26 PM PST by dighton
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To: Commie Basher
Harry Browne very nearly managed to get Gore elected in 2000. He took more than 16,000 votes in Florida.

If Bush had not taken action in March 2003, Saddam Hussein would still be in power and several hundred Americans would not have lost their lives in Iraq. Some Iraqis are dead who might otherwise be alive...but if Saddam were still in power, probably a much larger number of Iraqis who are alive now would be dead, and the Democrat who would take over in January 2005 might be facing a Saddam with nukes.

8 posted on 12/17/2003 8:15:04 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Commie Basher
We're told that that the Iraqis can see now that Saddam Hussein isn't coming back to power — as though they couldn't figure that out for themselves with 130,000 foreign troops occupying their country.

Well, their memories are evidently better than Harry's - last time we paid them a visit Saddam did come back and they were slaughtered like sheep. That sort of thing can leave a bad taste in your mouth. Either Harry's being disingenuous here or he's really too stupid to realize that a lot of Iraqis really did think Saddam might come back - say, if Dean or a fool named Browne should ever sit in the Oval Office?

I'm leaning toward the "stupid" explanation myself.

9 posted on 12/17/2003 8:15:13 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Commie Basher
Some politicians said that if anti-war protesters had their gotten way, Hussein would be in his palace today, instead of in jail. Yes, and if the anti-war protesters had gotten their way, several hundred Americans and thousands of Iraqis would be alive today, instead of dead.

I see. So Saddam, brutal dictator that he was, posed no threat to those folks by remaining in power?

Harry Browne is still thought by some Freepers to be pro-life (he isn't). Perhaps the same ones will continue to believe he's pro-American (he isn't).

10 posted on 12/17/2003 8:17:00 PM PST by Snuffington
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To: Commie Basher
Harry Who? isn't he the invisible or is it the irrelevant man?
11 posted on 12/17/2003 8:19:12 PM PST by FFIGHTER
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To: Commie Basher
huh? I am libertarian in some of my viewpoints, as I understand libertarianism. However, this is the nutty ramblings of a fruitcake.

blessings, bobo1
12 posted on 12/17/2003 8:22:27 PM PST by bobo1
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To: Cultural Jihad
ROTFL
13 posted on 12/17/2003 8:25:17 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Commie Basher
Well, this lunatic didn't get any smarter from the last time I read his bilge pre-war.
14 posted on 12/17/2003 8:26:25 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Commie Basher
He’s a liar. He’s a torturer. He’s a murderer. . . . He’s a — he’s just — he is what he is: He’s a person that was willing to destroy his country and to kill a lot of his fellow citizens. He’s a person who used weapons of mass destruction against citizens in his own country. And so it’s — he is the kind of person that is untrustworthy and I’d be very cautious about relying upon his word in any way, shape or form.

Well said.

15 posted on 12/17/2003 8:26:52 PM PST by toolbreaker
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To: Howlin; Amelia; Southflanknorthpawsis; justshe; Chad Fairbanks
The head of the Smurf Candidate Party weighs in.
16 posted on 12/17/2003 8:27:13 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Commie Basher
He must be stoned.
17 posted on 12/17/2003 8:29:38 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: Commie Basher
Harry Browne: Just Another Waste of Time.
18 posted on 12/17/2003 8:30:41 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
and the Democrat who would take over in January 2005 might be facing a Saddam with nukes.

Your post was confusing enough, and then I read that -- the kicker, if you will.

Why are YOU here on FR?

19 posted on 12/17/2003 8:30:46 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Why is this crap continually allowed on here?
20 posted on 12/17/2003 8:31:55 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Commie Basher
The Libertarian party got some great ideas. Unfortunately they're so full of nutcases who think that total free trade will bring about world peace.

The LP is also in favor of a weaker U.S. So if China invades Taiwan and North Korea nukes the South, the LP's position would be akin to one shrugging it's shoulders.

21 posted on 12/17/2003 8:32:21 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: Commie Basher
Harry Browne must have been miserable seeing the Iraqis dancing the streets after Saddam was captured.

Perhaps he needed to live under this ruthless dictator and have had some of his friends and family dropped in acid baths or fed through plastic shredders to get his inverted morals straight.

22 posted on 12/17/2003 8:32:49 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Commie Basher
Yes, and if the anti-war protesters had gotten their way, several hundred Americans and thousands of Iraqis would be alive today, instead of dead.

No, maybe those Iraqis would be alive but thousands of others would be dead. Saddam was killing thousands a month, and had for 30 years.

At the cost of a few hundred lives, We toppled Iraq and Afghanistan. That puts us in a position to intimidate the regimes in Iran and Syria and to prop up Pakistan and prevent it going fundamentalist. We have gained a generation in keeping radical Islam non nuclear.

Gosh-a-Rootie that isn't why Bush said we were doing it.
Sometimes in international relations you can't say what you mean without disrupting things.

What matters is that what we did was good for the US.

So9

23 posted on 12/17/2003 8:33:04 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Effing the Ineffable.)
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To: Howlin
Why is this crap continually allowed on here?

It makes a nice piñata.

24 posted on 12/17/2003 8:34:05 PM PST by dighton
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To: Commie Basher
Harry Brown is the evident symptom of the main reason why I'm not a Libertarian.

He's as bad as almost any Dem sometimes.

"Protests are outlawed"???? WTF?
25 posted on 12/17/2003 8:34:05 PM PST by Bogey78O (Rob Reiner is a tubby fascist!)
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To: Commie Basher
This article explains why Libertarian candidates rountinely garner only 2-3% of the vote in every election cycle.
26 posted on 12/17/2003 8:35:06 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Commie Basher
Oh yes, the old Browne who went against all Libertarian rules and did accept matching funds on the campaign trail.

Libertarians always back losers. Who is their candidate this year?
27 posted on 12/17/2003 8:35:31 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: Commie Basher
Give it up Harry your not going to win either.
28 posted on 12/17/2003 8:35:35 PM PST by Tempest
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To: Commie Basher
Harry - the archetypal Bubble-Boy Libertarian, having not a clue about the historical world.
29 posted on 12/17/2003 8:36:16 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: sinkspur; Prime Choice
No wonder the Liberaltarians are a fringe party
30 posted on 12/17/2003 8:36:26 PM PST by GeronL (Saddam is out of the hole and into the quagmire!)
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To: Commie Basher
7. The occupiers have imposed strict gun-control laws, preventing ordinary citizens from defending themselves — making robberies, rapes, and assaults quite common.

Bullshit.
We have banned crew served weapons and grenades.
We have prohibited carrying automatic weapons in the street.
Iraqis can keep AK-47s at home and may carry pistols on the street.

Would to God we had only those restrictions in this country.

So9

31 posted on 12/17/2003 8:36:38 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Effing the Ineffable.)
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To: Commie Basher
Has Browne started smoking crack?
32 posted on 12/17/2003 8:37:10 PM PST by Deb (My Tag Skies to Gotham & Con-Fabs With Net Prexies)
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To: Commie Basher
I hate the Libertarians. They gave Jim Doyle here in WI the governorship on a silver platter.

A bunch of fringe fanatic losers. They'll never get more than .0000000000000000000000000000000001 of the vote.

33 posted on 12/17/2003 8:37:35 PM PST by Chris Tucker
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To: Howlin
This "crap" will give conservatives, who are unhappy with Bush, second thoughts about voting 3rd party next year.
34 posted on 12/17/2003 8:38:00 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool

Try a half a percent.

35 posted on 12/17/2003 8:38:21 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Verginius Rufus
>> Harry Browne very nearly managed to get Gore elected in 2000. He took more than 16,000 votes in Florida <<

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the LP nominated this guy for a third time in 2004. If the Dems nominated a candidate like Edwards or Lieberman, Browne would probably take more votes from the RATs than he would from Bush (assuming Browne kept up this rhetoric and focused on the war issue)

Sadly though, I think Gary Nolan will be the LP nominee for 2004. The next Presidential election cycle is projected to be an "up" year for the Libertarians (Browne did lousy in 2000 so anyone else they nominate would likely improve on his showing)

36 posted on 12/17/2003 8:38:30 PM PST by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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To: Kuksool
Well, there is that.

But they'll "stay home" anyway.
37 posted on 12/17/2003 8:39:29 PM PST by Howlin (Bush has stolen two things which Democrats believe they own by right: the presidency & the future)
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To: Cultural Jihad
You know I like a lot of libertarian positions on individual liberty... more individual liberties, less socially sponsored "safety nets".

This guy Browne... appears to be a MORON devolving into an outright imbecile.
Somebody get the net!
38 posted on 12/17/2003 8:39:36 PM PST by recalcitrant
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To: Commie Basher
Apparently the Afghan campaign has not stopped the flow of Mr. Browne's poppy squeezin's.
39 posted on 12/17/2003 8:39:41 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: Deb
Did he ever stop?
40 posted on 12/17/2003 8:39:43 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: ServesURight
, the LP's position would be akin to one shrugging it's shoulders

Not 'akin' nit literally

41 posted on 12/17/2003 8:40:01 PM PST by GeronL (Saddam is out of the hole and into the quagmire!)
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To: Commie Basher
Harry Browne should do the right thing, and that right thing is called seppuku.
42 posted on 12/17/2003 8:40:11 PM PST by Guillermo (Shoot me if you ever see me on a Kobe Bryant, Michael Jackson or Scott Peterson thread)
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To: Commie Basher
Gee, reading this drivel, you'd think we were at WAR or something!
43 posted on 12/17/2003 8:40:15 PM PST by Normal4me
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To: BillyBoy
Coward Dean for President on the moral-liberal L.P. ticket in 2004! ;-)
44 posted on 12/17/2003 8:40:19 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: BCrago66
Anyway, all the above proves is that the Libertarian Party is not for serious people. It peaked in 1980 with about a million votes - and its been downhill ever since, which is a good thing.

Yeah, the Republocrat welfare/warfare state is much better than liberty.

45 posted on 12/17/2003 8:41:08 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: sinkspur
And to think that at one time I considered myself a Libertarian. What was I thinking?!
46 posted on 12/17/2003 8:41:34 PM PST by cartoonistx
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Harry Browne is a putz who's sole reason for existing is to make Libertarians look foolish.
47 posted on 12/17/2003 8:42:34 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks (What am I rebelling against? Well, what do ya got?)
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To: recalcitrant
There's nothing wrong with so-called 'safety nets' although personal responsibility is even better, and laws which encourage personal responsibility and which discourage personal irresponsibility are all fine.
48 posted on 12/17/2003 8:42:56 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: All
So, who is the Libertarian candidate President?
49 posted on 12/17/2003 8:44:44 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: Howlin
Why is this crap continually allowed on here?

So those of us who can actually think can be exposed to the loony tunes cogitations. The same kind of loony tunes who backed Perot and refuse still to admit they helped elect Billy Bolshevik twice.
50 posted on 12/17/2003 8:45:16 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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