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Democrats subvert war intelligence(threatened national security?)
http://worldnetdaily.com/ ^ | December 23, 2003 | J. Michael Waller Insight

Posted on 12/22/2003 10:11:03 PM PST by fatso

ON CAPITOL HILL Democrats subvert war intelligence Has politicization of Senate committee threatened national security?

It's one of the unsolved political mysteries of 2003: Exactly who drew up the plan for Democrats to abuse the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, or SCCI, as a stealth weapon to undermine and discredit President George W. Bush and the U.S. war effort in Iraq?

The plot, authored by aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., vice chairman of the committee, has poisoned the working atmosphere of a crucial legislative panel in a time of war, Senate sources say. It centered on duping the panel's Republican chairman, Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, into approving probes that in actuality would be fishing expeditions inside the State Department and Pentagon. The authors hoped to dig up and hype "improper or questionable conduct by administration officials." According to a staff memo, the committee then would release the information during the course of the "investigation," with Democrats providing their "additional views" that would, "among other things, castigate the majority [Republicans] for seeking to limit the scope of the inquiry."

In other words, they would manufacture and denounce a cover-up where none existed. The Democrats then would drag the issue through the 2004 presidential campaign by creating an independent commission to investigate, according to the memo.

The plan, made public by Fox News on Nov. 6, went like this: "Prepare to launch an independent investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the majority. We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation at any time – but we can only do so once. The best time to do so will probably be [in 2004]."

Even before the memo was written, Rockefeller's staff already was off on its own, well outside the traditional bipartisan channels. According to the memo, the "FBI Niger investigation" of reports that Saddam Hussein's regime had tried to buy uranium from West Africa "was done solely at the request of the vice chairman."

The plan wrecked more than two-and-a-half decades of unique bipartisanship on the SSCI, whose job is to oversee the CIA and the rest of the nation's intelligence services. In fact the SSCI, according to the Wall Street Journal after the revelation, was "one of the last redoubts of peaceful coexistence in Congress." But that bipartisanship ended last year when Democrats demanded that the committee staff be split. Instead of reporting directly to the chairman, it now was bifurcated, with Republicans answering to the GOP chairman and Democrats working for the Democratic vice chairman. Roberts didn't like the change, warning at the time that the Democrats wanted to divide the committee into "partisan camps." But the Republicans caved, and the staff director of the Democrats, Christopher Mellon, built his own autonomous apparatus.

Insight has pieced together how the Democrats' fishing expedition worked. According to insiders, Mellon, a former Clinton administration official, is part of a network of liberal operatives within the Pentagon and CIA who reportedly are seeking to discredit and politically disable some of the nation's most important architects of the war on terrorism and their efforts to keep weapons of mass destruction from falling into terrorist hands. Mellon already was a SSCI staffer when the Clinton administration tapped him to work as a deputy to the assistant secretary of defense for C3I (command, control, communications and intelligence), where he was responsible for security and information operations. In the C3I office, where he held a civilian rank equivalent to a three-star general, Mellon worked on intelligence-policy issues, or in the words of a former colleague, Cheryl J. Roby, "things like personnel, training and recruiting for intelligence." The office is under the purview of the undersecretary of defense for policy, a post now held by conservative Douglas J. Feith.

Clinton-era personnel reforms allowed officials of his administration to burrow into vital Pentagon posts as careerists, administration officials say, where they have been maneuvering to keep Bush loyalists out of key positions and/or undermine their authority while pushing their own political agendas that run contrary to those of the president. This network, Insight has discovered, extends to the Pentagon's outer reaches such as the National Defense University and far-flung academic and influential policy think tanks, or "CINC tanks," serving the commanders of the U.S. military theaters around the world.

Senate and Department of Defense (DoD) colleagues say Mellon has a beef against Feith and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, under whom he served briefly until the new Bush administration made its full transition into office. Intelligence sources say he tried to keep conservatives out of key Pentagon posts and to undermine tough antiterrorism policies after 9-11. Back at the SSCI, Mellon's chief targets for criticism have been Feith and his like-minded State Department colleague, Undersecretary of State John Bolton, who holds the nonproliferation portfolio. Both Feith and Bolton are strong supporters of President Bush's advocacy of "regime change" for rogue states and are considered to be among the most faithful advocates in the administration of his personal policy positions.

DoD civilians loyal to the president have complained for more than two years about Mellon, both while he was at the Pentagon and at his new perch in the Senate. Upon his return to the SSCI, bipartisan staff cooperation broke down almost completely.

"The parties aren't talking to one another," according to a committee source. After the memo became public, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., ordered an end to cooperation with the Democrats on the Iraq investigations.

Mellon's public record doesn't indicate any hard-core partisan leanings, showing instead a bipartisanship as a sometime floater on the liberal Republican side. Federal Election Commission records show he donated $1,000 to the George H.W. Bush re-election campaign in 1993 and $1,000 to the Republican National Committee in 1992. In his first tour on the Senate intelligence committee, he served as an appointee of the late liberal Sen. John Chafee, R-R.I., when George Tenet, a Democrat who now is director of the CIA, was committee staff director. Mellon then took the C3I post at the Pentagon when William Cohen, the liberal Republican senator from Maine, became secretary of defense for Clinton.

So what might have motivated Mellon to become involved in the memo scandal to politicize the intelligence committee against the current president? Mellon did not return Insight calls for comment.

Asked whether Mellon wrote the plan, Rockefeller's spokeswoman Wendy Morigi did not attempt to exonerate the staff director.

"The senator has not stated who the author of that memo is," Morigi said, "and I don't think he intends to." She spoke with Rockefeller and then called Insight again to say Sen. Rockefeller would not comment.

In any case Rockefeller, a strong liberal who had enjoyed a reputation of bipartisanship on committee matters, surprised colleagues when he allowed the Democrats on the committee staff to use the supersecret body as a political weapon. Sources with firsthand knowledge say that Rockefeller broke the committee's bipartisan custom of requesting information from government agencies over the signatures of the chairman, representing the majority party, and the vice chairman, representing the minority.

"Rockefeller sent out his own request for information – the first time a request to the administration for information was not signed by both the chairman and vice chairman of the committee," according to a source involved with the requests. The source says the requests were worded in ways designed to elicit specific answers of a sensitive nature. When the senior Pentagon and State Department officials answered the requests, Democrats on the intelligence committee "leaked it, though some of it was top secret," the source said without citing examples.

When the targeted officials caught on to the game, Senate Democrats led by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., a scrappy SSCI member, denounced them for failure to provide Democrat senators with information about the war. They publicly acted outraged at what they alleged was a certain deception and demanded even more information, telling the press that top Bush officials were forcing the CIA and other intelligence agencies to skew intelligence analysis to fit a preconceived conclusion.

Some Democrats see through this political warfare and are troubled by it. Keeping the SSCI and its House counterpart nonpartisan, wrote former Sen. Robert Kerrey, D-Neb., in the New York Post in the midst of the memo controversy, "is vital for the nation's security because much of what is done to collect, process and disseminate intelligence needed by civilian and military leaders is done under conditions of rigorously regulated secrecy." Kerrey is a former vice chairman of the committee.

"Of all the committees, this is the one single committee that should unquestionably be above partisan politics," said an angry Sen. Zell Miller, D-Ga. "The information it deals with should never, never be distorted, compromised or politicized in any shape, form or fashion. For it involves the lives of our soldiers and our citizens. Its actions should always be above reproach; its words never politicized."

Rockefeller defended his staff and the outrageous document itself, calling it a "private memo that nobody saw except me and the staff people that wrote it for me." He rebuffed calls from Frist, Miller and others that the staffers responsible be exposed, let alone fired, and instead accused Republicans of stealing the document from his aides' computers.

"Mr. Rockefeller refuses to denounce the memo, which he says was unauthorized and written by staffers. If that's the case, at the very least some heads ought to roll," declared the Wall Street Journal in an editorial. Firing Mellon as the staff director for the culprits, the Journal said, would be "a good place to start."

Miller went even further: "I have often said that the process in Washington is so politicized and polarized that it can't even be put aside when we're at war. Never has that been proved more true than the highly partisan and perhaps treasonous memo prepared for the Democrats on the intelligence committee."

The Georgia Democrat measured his words, continuing: "If what has happened here is not treason, it is its first cousin. The ones responsible – be they staff or elected or both – should be dealt with quickly and severely, sending a lesson to all that this kind of action will not be tolerated, ignored or excused."

Chairman Roberts sees a danger to the nation through such politics: "If we give in to the temptation to exploit our good offices for political gain, we cannot expect our intelligence professionals to entrust us with our nation's most sensitive information. You can be sure that foreign intelligence services will stop cooperating with our intelligence agencies the first time they see their secrets appear in our media."

Kerrey, once a shining star among Senate Democrats, wrote, "The production of a memo by an employee of a Democratic member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence is an example of the destructive side of partisan politics. That it probably emerged as a consequence of an increasingly partisan environment in Washington and may have been provoked by equally destructive Republican acts is neither a comfort nor a defensible rationalization."

Senate Majority Leader Frist called for the culprits to come forward and apologize, angrily announcing he would suspend cooperation on the Iraq investigation. That wasn't enough for Sen. Miller, who demanded, "Heads should roll!"

J. Michael Waller is a senior writer for Insight magazine.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004memo; cia; democrats; intel; iraq; jayrockefeller; mellon; memogate; national; niger; nigerflap; security; uranium; wilson; yellowcake

1 posted on 12/22/2003 10:11:04 PM PST by fatso
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To: fatso; jmstein7
Thank you very much for posting this excellent article. I'm glad to see NewsMax carried it.
2 posted on 12/22/2003 10:19:00 PM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: Judith Anne
Duh, WorldNetDaily. Sheesh! Getting late...
3 posted on 12/22/2003 10:19:36 PM PST by Judith Anne (Send a message to the Democrat traitors--ROCKEFELLER MUST RESIGN!)
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To: fatso; chadsworth; Miss Marple; Mo1; Chad Fairbanks; ohioWfan; rintense; Grampa Dave
Even before the memo was written, Rockefeller's staff already was off on its own, well outside the traditional bipartisan channels. According to the memo, the "FBI Niger investigation" of reports that Saddam Hussein's regime had tried to buy uranium from West Africa "was done solely at the request of the vice chairman."

This is a keeper, and a must read!

4 posted on 12/22/2003 10:22:41 PM PST by ladyinred (If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door!)
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To: ladyinred
Thanks for the ping.

This whole intel scam by the rats from the Yellowcake Scam up to the present has been well planned and coordinated.
5 posted on 12/22/2003 10:29:58 PM PST by Grampa Dave (GW is driving every rat in America into a deeper insanity, 24/7/365!)
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To: fatso
"tolerated, ignored or excused"

And .. why is it being tolerated, ignored and/or excused" ..??
6 posted on 12/22/2003 10:41:40 PM PST by CyberAnt (America is the greatest force for good on the planet ..!!)
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To: dirtboy; Wolfstar; Shermy
Even before the memo was written, Rockefeller's staff already was off on its own, well outside the traditional bipartisan channels. According to the memo, the "FBI Niger investigation" of reports that Saddam Hussein's regime had tried to buy uranium from West Africa "was done solely at the request of the vice chairman."

So, it was Jay Rockefeller (and not Dick Cheney) who sent Joseph C. Wilson IV on his mission to Niamey? Was this, indeed, a partisan set-up from the very outset?

Would explain a lot...

9 posted on 12/22/2003 10:51:09 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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bump
10 posted on 12/22/2003 10:55:10 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com, www.firecarlreese.com)
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To: seamole
He was planted deep in the Pentagon by the Clintoon in a very strategic place:

http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/june1/hill_wants_to_give_defense_it_sh.htm

GOVERNMENT NEWS
GCN June 1, 1998


Hill wants to give Defense IT shop new name
By Gregory Slabodkin
GCN Staff
Congress wants to change the name of the Defense Department’s top systems shop to reflect the office’s new duties and oversight responsibilities.

DOD last month announced a major reorganization of the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Command, Control, Communications and Intelligence as part of DOD’s Defense Reform Initiative. Under the restructuring, the office has been broadened to include oversight in such areas as surveillance, reconnaissance and space.

In its fiscal 1999 Defense authorization bill, the Senate Armed Services Committee raised concerns that the title ASD(C3I) no longer describes the office’s responsibilities and priorities. Consequently, the committee is endorsing a new title: the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Space and Information Superiority.

"The committee had been concerned that the term ‘space’ would not appear in the revised title," the committee said in the report accompanying the bill. "As the single focal point for space in [DOD], this would have been a serious omission that would have sent a negative and misleading message."

The new assistant secretary of Defense for space and information superiority would be responsible for space policy, information assurance, information operations, intelligence policy, command and control, communications, surveillance, reconnaissance, year 2000 work and electromagnetic spectrum issues, the Senate report said.

The House passed its $270 billion Defense authorization bill last month. The Senate this month is scheduled to vote on its version, including the provision renaming the ASD(C3I) office.

Room for space
"Although there are significant areas of overlap between information superiority and space, the two areas also have many unique aspects that deserve significant focused attention," the committee report said.

Congress in 1985 created the position of ASD(C3I) at DOD’s re quest to oversee, among other things, the acquisition of computers and to establish program structures, interoperability requirements and architectures.

But Defense spokeswoman Susan Hansen said that despite the reorganization of ASD(C3I), the department did not seek to change the name of the office.

"The department hasn’t taken a position on the proposed name change," she said. "That’s certainly the Senate’s idea. The department has made no comment on it. At the moment, the office is still called ASD(C3I)."

Arthur Money, the Air Force’s former chief information officer and assistant secretary of the Air Force for acquisition, has been tapped by DOD to become the next ASD(C3I). Money is currently the senior civilian official for the office and acting CIO until the Senate confirms his nomination.

Marvin Langston, the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency’s director of information systems, will leave DARPA to serve as acting deputy CIO and deputy assistant secretary of Defense for CIO policy and implementation.

As part of the Defense Reform Initiative, Defense Secretary William Cohen had directed that the Office of the ASD(C3I) be separa ted into components for intelligence and C3 and that the undersecretary of Defense for ac quisition and technology take over CIO duties.

Cohen reversed that decision earlier this year and decided to keep the office intact and maintain its CIO responsibilities. He added the new oversight areas including space-related matters and the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Program.

The office will oversee six DOD agencies: the Defense Information Systems Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency, Defense Security Service, National Imagery and Mapping Agency, National Reconnaissance Office and National Security Agency.

To staff the revamped office, DOD is reassigning some officials to acting posts:

Air Force Maj. Gen. Kenneth Israel, director of the Defense Airborne Reconnaissance Office, will be acting deputy assistant secretary of Defense for command, control, communications, intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and space systems. DARO will cease to exist as a separate De fense agency.

Linton Wells II, deputy undersecretary of Defense for policy support, will be acting principal deputy assistant secretary of Defense for C3I.

Cheryl Roby will still be acting deputy assistant secretary of Defense for intelligence.

Christopher Mellon, assistant to the secretary of Defense for intelligence oversight, will be acting deputy assistant secretary of Defense for security and information operations.




11 posted on 12/22/2003 11:00:03 PM PST by Grampa Dave (GW is driving every rat in America into a deeper insanity, 24/7/365!)
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To: fatso
I'm sure this is the ONLY bit sedition going on.. To think that other committes have been compromised by this veritable 5th column on naieve republicans is ridiculous... and absolutely tin foil hat stuff.. And when judged by the high minded and patriotic way the democrat contenders for president have executed their campaigns theres nothing to worry about...

UNLESS YOU'RE NOT STUPID...

12 posted on 12/22/2003 11:11:21 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: fatso
Borders on treason.
13 posted on 12/22/2003 11:12:13 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: seamole
Thanks for the ping!

Bush needs to purge the Pentagon of some of these Clinton moles !

14 posted on 12/22/2003 11:20:48 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis is now out of Arnoold's Office , Bout Time!!!!)
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To: fatso
I think this pic kinda sums it all up. : )


15 posted on 12/23/2003 12:33:02 AM PST by Prime Choice (Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
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To: fatso
bump
16 posted on 12/23/2003 2:13:12 AM PST by lowbridge ("Is it just me, or is Kwanzaa becoming way too commercialized?" -Ann Coulter)
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To: seamole; dighton; Poohbah
Is Mellon the real Alpha Kook?

Try asking him. I think he posts to FR as "John Galt".

17 posted on 12/23/2003 3:11:46 AM PST by Stultis
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To: Grampa Dave
Grampa: It seems that Mr. Linton Wells II and Ms. Cheryl Roby are still in DOD and both are Deputy Asst Secretaries of Defense, apparently in the C3I.
It has been said time and again, Republicans do NOT know who their enemies are and often refuse to believe they have any in the bureaucracy.
18 posted on 12/23/2003 6:25:43 AM PST by gaspar
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To: okie01
From a previous FR reply of mine, behind which I stand, of course:

W. Va. Senator John D. Rockefeller, Democratic Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, someone who is absolutely in a position to know the truth about the matter, when asked on Fox News Sunday June 22, 2003, whether he'd heard any evidence to suggest President Bush lied regarding Iraqi WMD intelligence reports said, "No, I have not."

When asked why John Kerry was intimating Bush had lied, Rockefeller basically said, "Kerry is running for president. His agenda is not the same as mine."

This might suggest that Jay was stupid for letting himself appear to change his views so dramatically later.

It's my impression that his response at that time on FNS was genuine, but Democrats came down hard on him quickly thereafter for being so out of sync with their leaders' plans. I think, therefore, Jay doesn't really run that show.

I wouldn't be at all surprised that it's been a Mellon-via-BillyJeff/McAwful run show.

The salient point is probably that Rockefeller's signature alone has been doing a lot of requesting in the recent past, where before that, requests of the executive branch came under the signatures of both Chairman and Vice-Chairman.

"Aides to Rockefeller" as instigators/authors doesn't pass my smell test. He's allowed his office and seat to become the nexus of the partisanship and treason, and that's why the real kids in charge probably love the diversion.

HF

19 posted on 12/23/2003 7:46:16 AM PST by holden
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To: Grampa Dave; gaspar; okie01; TurtleTrap; seamole; wirestripper
Even before the memo was written, Rockefeller's staff already was off on its own, well outside the traditional bipartisan channels. According to the memo, the "FBI Niger investigation" of reports that Saddam Hussein's regime had tried to buy uranium from West Africa "was done solely at the request of the vice chairman."

Interesting, but I'd like to see the full text, not split up.

If Rockerfeller pushed it...I'm still wondering whether Wilson was soliciting gold mining business from the Niger government at the same time he was exonerating it about uranium.

20 posted on 12/23/2003 10:13:16 AM PST by Shermy
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To: seamole
Payoff...Saudi lobby jobs on the "back end."
21 posted on 12/23/2003 10:14:30 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
If Rockerfeller pushed it...I'm still wondering whether Wilson was soliciting gold mining business from the Niger government at the same time he was exonerating it about uranium.

Hell, push it. Anything is fair against Rockerfellow.
22 posted on 12/23/2003 10:15:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Kaddaffi, "I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq. ")
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To: fatso
It centered on duping the panel's Republican chairman, Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas...bipartisanship ended last year when Democrats demanded that the committee staff be split...the Republicans caved, and the staff director of the Democrats, Christopher Mellon, built his own autonomous apparatus.

This problem of weakness on the Republican side seems primarily to occur in the Senate. I don't understand the reason for it. Perhaps the fact that there are only 100 senators let's them get too chummy and collegial with each other. Whatever the reason, this memo exposed the fact that Republican weakness and Democrat aggressiveness have gone beyond mere political annoyance to a point where the effect is truly seditious and dangerous for the nation.

I think in the new year, we in the politically astute public should put enormous pressure on Republican senators to get very, very tough with the Democrat side. If it means everything grinds to a halt in the Senate, so be it.

23 posted on 12/23/2003 10:55:18 AM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: okie01
Thanks for the ping, okie01. While I'm not surprised to learn that the Wilson nonsense had its origin with the Dems on Capitol Hill, my guess would have been that it started on the House side with that creep, Henry Waxman. Unlike many FReepers, I don't see a Clinton conspiracy behind every Leftist/Dem move. There are plenty of Leftist/Dem Bush and/or America-haters with the power and venality to act on their own.
24 posted on 12/23/2003 11:08:17 AM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: Fledermaus
Personally, I think it qualifies as "giving aid and comfort to the enemy." Article 3, Section 3 of the United States Constitution says, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them [the states], or in adhering to their enemies, giving them [enemies] aid and comfort."

Although the Consitution sets a very high bar to convict a person of treason, there is no question that a deliberate corruption of national intelligence, thereby national security, in a time of war is a treasonous act.

Another anti-Constitutional point which Rockefeller and all other elected officials who do this sort of thing is that they violate their oaths of office. Article 4 of the Constitution states: "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution...

The Oath of Office for the Legislative Branch reads as follows:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

In my opinon, Rockefeller should be censured by the Senate for the naked corruption of our Senate's national intelligence and security oversight process. The members of his staff who participated should be fired.

25 posted on 12/23/2003 11:30:12 AM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: Shermy
I'm not sure to what the "FBI" Niger investigation refers. Does that differ from the "CIA" investigation?
26 posted on 12/23/2003 1:57:42 PM PST by gaspar
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To: gaspar
Looking at the memo, I think it may have simply been a request to the FBI AFTER the hoo-hah became public, and not necessarily as improper as this writer implies.

That is, an investigation into the CIA and such by the FBI.
27 posted on 12/23/2003 2:02:59 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Wolfstar
Refresh my memory, please. Didn't your research into the Plame/Wilson Affair reveal that Wilson, Krugman and Pincus, among others, had attended a Democrat Senate Policy Committee meeting early in the time line?

Jay Rockefeller likely attended this meeting, as well.

If so, the nexus of the entire plot has probably been identified.

28 posted on 12/23/2003 2:03:00 PM PST by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: fatso
If you want to get a good idea of how Rockefeller has taken over the activity of the Intelligence Committee just make a google search and enter the name Wendy Morigi, Rockefeller's spokesperson.
29 posted on 12/23/2003 2:03:09 PM PST by gaspar
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To: fatso
Very interesting article. it explains a lot.

What it doesn't explain is why these people still work within sensitive positions inside these critical intelligence bureaucracies. They should have been shown the door long ago!

30 posted on 12/23/2003 2:48:45 PM PST by Gritty ("Conservatives play fair hoping Liberals will play fair too. That will never happen."-Ann Coulter)
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To: Wolfstar
Yeah, you are technically correct. But since when have the Democrats cared about real law? ;-)

Oh, only when it's applied to them!

What's funny is that their friends in the mainstream press can't cover for them any longer. In a recent poll (I don't remember which) the respondents were asked if they knew about the GOP marathon session on judges and the majority said "yes". Bodes well since it shows people aren't getting all of their news from the same old sources.
31 posted on 12/23/2003 10:43:58 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Post #15... Someone you just may recognize.
32 posted on 12/23/2003 10:48:46 PM PST by tinacart ((I STILL hate hitlery!))
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bttt


33 posted on 10/12/2004 1:58:28 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa; Sam Hill; Fedora; Enchante; Peach; freema

Bump

Doing a bit of dot-collecting. :-)

Pinz


34 posted on 05/09/2006 6:19:05 AM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Charter Snowflake)
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To: pinz-n-needlez
Even before the memo was written, Rockefeller's staff already was off on its own, well outside the traditional bipartisan channels. According to the memo, the "FBI Niger investigation" of reports that Saddam Hussein's regime had tried to buy uranium from West Africa "was done solely at the request of the vice chairman."

Did we know it was Rockefeller who sent Wilson to Niger before this article?

This is one of WND's better articles and puts the entire fiasco in perspective. Thanks for the ping.

35 posted on 05/09/2006 6:23:32 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach; lugsoul

Wilson had always said that the Vice President asked questions, and he was sent to Niger. But he carefully parses it so that you're left with a precise impression, but he didn't actually say it. :-/

Lugsoul, do you have any comments or insights into this? Thanks. :-)

Pinz


36 posted on 05/09/2006 6:28:07 AM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Charter Snowflake)
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To: pinz-n-needlez
Wilson's trip wasn't part of the FBI Niger investigation. It was part of the CIA Niger investigation.

I simply haven't seen the parsing you reference. It seems crystal clear to me that Wilson said (a) Cheney asked the CIA questions, (2) in response to those questions the CIA did some things, including sending Wilson to Niger, and (3) he's never talked to Cheney about it. I frankly think the whole "He needed to be debunked because he claimed Cheney sent him" fracas is a complete red herring.

37 posted on 05/09/2006 2:03:31 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul

I think Wilson meant to leave the impression early on that Cheney 'sent' him to Niger where he sipped tea.

But he was careful not to say that explicitly. (I first noticed your posts because of your insistance that he never 'said' that Cheney sent him.)

Implying that Cheney sent him but then (Cheney)backtracked and had his wife's position exposed in retribution for not toeing the party line was the beginning of Wilson's public tiff with the administration, if my memory serves.

When I first read your posts, I thought you were perhaps a partisan on Joe's team. I have since concluded that you are instead a very careful reader and user of language, which is why I tend to look for your take on these newer discoveries.

You agree that Wilson is flogging a red herring (excuse the mixed metaphor lol), but do agree that he consciously created that same herring?

Thanks for your input,
Pinz


38 posted on 05/09/2006 2:30:38 PM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Charter Snowflake)
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To: pinz-n-needlez
Joe has a team?

I know your take on this is popular here, but I don't buy it. On CNN either the DAY OF his NYT editorial or the DAY AFTER (just can't recall which), he stated flatly that Cheney DID NOT send him, that the CIA did. How exactly that is intended to create a mistaken impression that Cheney sent him is completely lost on me.

No, I think the "he said Cheney sent him" meme is a red herring flogged by Wilson's most adamant critics. Which is baffling to me, because there are other, more substantive lines of attack. Kristof's language was certainly less than precise, but there isn't any reason to think he was simply transcribing Wilson's words. Kristof is a fairly precise writer, and is not just a transcriptionist.

What baffles me more than anything else is that we apparently had an entire WH team, including the Deputy NSA and various high-ranking staffers, spending the coin of the realm and not insubstantial time and effort responding to an op-ed piece by a former State employee that no one had ever heard of before. By elevating Wilson's importance far beyond what it would have been if they ignored him, the WH and their allies who don't know when to put down the megaphone created the myth that is Joe Wilson.

I will say this, though - based on the recent photos, Valerie is quite hot.

39 posted on 05/09/2006 2:49:28 PM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul

Well, he has a PR firm representing him, and hangs out with a whole group of lefty networkers. Yeah, I'd say he has a team.

I didn't hear that interview that you did. Makes sense that the difference in phrasing would make an impact on you, and why you worked so hard to clarify that point.

But given that he said Cheney didn't send him, do you think he's deliberately jerking aorund the administration, trying to create a scandal where there is just a regular, non-nefarious effort to correct the record and clarify a confusing situation?

Do you think the administration was 'out to get him' and worse, to do it by going after his wife?

Pinz


40 posted on 05/10/2006 7:29:29 AM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Charter Snowflake)
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To: pinz-n-needlez
I don't think there is any doubt that there was a concerted effort among various high-ranking officials to discredit Joe Wilson. Many of them have apparently admitted as much. Scooter apparently kept a dossier on the guy (if that gets into evidence in the trial, it will be very interesting). Do I believe they intended to out his wife? I don't know. Do I believe they intended to use the "his CIA wife sent him on the trip" to help discredit him? Absolutely. Even Novak says as much.

It cracks me up when this gets portrayed as the WH 'needed to mount a defense against Wilson's withering attack.' Right. I still believe they would have been much better off to just dismiss the guy as partisan and partially informed and ignore him.

41 posted on 05/10/2006 9:16:43 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul

They played into his illusions of grandiosity...

I wonder how much the White House knew then about the things we're just putting together now.

Was it more important to set the record straight and risk giving him a platform?

Thanks,
Pinz


42 posted on 05/10/2006 9:34:35 AM PDT by pinz-n-needlez (Charter Snowflake)
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