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Immigration Reform on Bush Agenda
Washington Post ^ | December 24, 2003 | Mike Allen

Posted on 12/23/2003 7:56:18 PM PST by sarcasm

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To: Mr. Mojo
Beg to differ, mud for brains.

You imply that they are here only to be exploited by the Republicans.

Now hold that mirror up, stare intently, and ask yourself, "Can I think for myself or should I just repeat the "Rat mantra?"

Oops, sorry. You lose.

LVM

61 posted on 12/23/2003 8:56:47 PM PST by LasVegasMac (unrestricted - 780 HP out of a 351. Santa, can I have one - please?)
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To: lelio
Sure, but if Bush attempted to crack down on companies hiring illegals, the outcry from the major newspapers and networks -- all liberal of course -- would be deafening. And the liberal media would pin the whole thing on the evil Republicans. It might not cost Bush re-election, but it could cost us seats in the house and senate. Is that price worth it?
62 posted on 12/23/2003 8:57:39 PM PST by Metternich
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To: Jorge
I have a friend who's illegal but has been working here for 17 years. I hope Bush makes it easier for people like him to stay here legally.

Your criminal friend should be deported.

63 posted on 12/23/2003 8:58:05 PM PST by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: Jorge
I have a friend who's illegal but has been working here for 17 years.

I'm sure I have seen an empty beer can on the ground that is his or a dirty diaper in the street that his wife threw there.

I hope Bush makes it easier for people like him to stay here legally.

Don't worry...I am sure you will get your wish

64 posted on 12/23/2003 8:58:31 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: TheDon




Dream on. President Bush is going to win in a landslide.

With coattails?

If not, where are your judicial confirmations?


65 posted on 12/23/2003 8:58:59 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Good article, but crackdowns are too politically costly.
66 posted on 12/23/2003 8:59:16 PM PST by Metternich
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To: Sabertooth
I clicked your link. Nice formatting. Not much in the way of assets to forfeit, for those you really want gone, rather than those that have ascended to the middle class, and are eager to vote Republican. That dog won't hunt. Back to the drawing board.
67 posted on 12/23/2003 8:59:16 PM PST by Torie
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To: LasVegasMac
I said "Republicrats", not Republicans. That word-fusion implies both parties are similarly (and successfully) bribed. Damn, are you stupid.
68 posted on 12/23/2003 8:59:25 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: sarcasm
We would be better off with Dean in the White House and a vigorous opposition in the GOP Congress. Then conservatives could watch their front only and stop worrying about the repeated knives in the back from this inarticulate wonder we call a president.
69 posted on 12/23/2003 8:59:36 PM PST by dagnabbit (Terror by Muslim Aliens after 9-11-01 = Grounds for Impeachment.)
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To: Sabertooth
If we employ a Utilitarian approach, then in large part the Illegals can be persuaded to Deport Themselves.

remember when we had a minor disagreement a while back, and I said that I usually have great respect for your opinions? scratch "great respect" in this instance and replace it with "absolute endorsement" Damn it, how do we get you elected God for a day?

70 posted on 12/23/2003 9:02:20 PM PST by King Prout (...he took a face from the ancient gallery, then he... walked on down the hall....)
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To: Sabertooth
By the way, the progeny, who might indeed acrete substantive assets, will all be legal. Hillary might be disingenuous, but they (the illegals who plan to stay) do indeed do it for the children. They aren't stupid, just long term planners. Quite smart actually.
71 posted on 12/23/2003 9:03:53 PM PST by Torie
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To: GeronL
I think he was referring to the lesser paid jobs, picking lettuce, etc.
72 posted on 12/23/2003 9:05:28 PM PST by TheDon
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To: HennepinPrisoner
why, you afraid someone is going to come into this country who looks, talks, and thinks differently from you? Didn't Simon-Peter want to kick Matthew out of the group because Matthew was a tax collector? What about the woman at the well? How about the thief on the cross? I am so sick of you "holier-than-thou" conservatives. yeah, lets get Bush outta there, and get dean in there. Then we can pull all the troops out on the WOT and start a WOM (war on mexicans).
73 posted on 12/23/2003 9:06:19 PM PST by Jodi (Thank you, Mr. President,for representing all Americans, not just the 50% that voted you in!)
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To: Sabertooth
Waiting for the Repubs to take back the Senate in 2004 and stop the filibusters. It is going to be glorious to behold. :^)
74 posted on 12/23/2003 9:06:52 PM PST by TheDon
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To: B Knotts
See #62.

Only 1, 2 and 6 are politically feasible. However 1 and 2 won't work because every time you deport 'em , they just come back. Instead of deporting them, you'd have to imprison them, and then you come back to the political price being too high.

76 posted on 12/23/2003 9:07:28 PM PST by Metternich
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To: B Knotts
When they catch an illegal, not that they were actually looking hard, they give them 'notices to appear' in court... and those illegals never show up for the hearing!

Our system can't handle that

what a messed up system.

77 posted on 12/23/2003 9:07:47 PM PST by GeronL (The Revolution should be televised! Imagine the ratings!)
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To: Torie
I clicked your link. Nice formatting. Not much in the way of assets to forfeit, for those you really want gone, rather than those that have ascended to the middle class, and are eager to vote Republican. That dog won't hunt. Back to the drawing board.

It hunts. Matricula consular bank accounts, Illegal Alien home loan programs, trucks with shiny gold rims, etc.

That's only part of the equation, anyway. Enforce the laws against Illegals in the interior, and then there will be far less incentive to tresspass. Right now, 90% of all deportations take place when Illegals are apprehended within 72 hours of the border. Beyond that, the risk to them dwindles to zero.

Rounding up a few hundred thousand will create a stampede. The cost/benefit analysis is quite encouraging.

Simultaneously, assets of employers knowingly hiring Illegals should also be seized, and also auctioned to finance future interdiction.


78 posted on 12/23/2003 9:08:27 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: B Knotts
"There is nothing preventing us from enforcing our immigration laws, except cowardice."

Not enforcing the laws has been the govt strategy all along, to force amnesty on us as our 'only hope'. I saw it coming last year. That was the only possible end to the policy. But they could not come out and say it because of public sentiment. So they screwed us incrementally.

They sold the HS Dept as an entity that would organize immigration, fix the problems, and enforce the laws. THEY LIED.
79 posted on 12/23/2003 9:09:21 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: Jodi
why, you afraid someone is going to come into this country who looks, talks, and thinks differently from you?

I am Hispanic, though I do not speak Spanish (in case that is what you were implying). And no, I am not self-loathing.

Then we can pull all the troops out on the WOT and start a WOM (war on mexicans).

Not necessarily. We can pull our troops from Germany and place them along the border. They would be more useful in the WOT along our borders than they would be in Germany.

80 posted on 12/23/2003 9:10:44 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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