Zoroastrians Fight Extinction

VOANews ^ | 12/23/03 | VOANews

[HiTech RedNeck]

Mohammed's "evangelees" (oh those effective Arab swords) were largely Zoroastrian. Too bad they didn't have a kick-**** God to stand up for them like the Jews did.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Or, he had just time traveled to FloriDUH.

[enviros_kill]

Some more background on the Magi and the actual birth date of Christ:

"The Star of Bethlehem," IMPRIMIS, Hillsdale College (Dec 1996): http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/1996/Dec96Imprimis.pdf. A six page article that summarizes important facts supporting Christ's birth date of September 11, 3 B.C. Note that this date was also the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah) and commonly considered to be the first day of Creation in Genesis ("birthday of the world").

"The Star that Astonished the World," Ernest Martin, Ph.D. http://askelm.com/star/star000.htm and http://askelm.com/books/book003.htm. This book is THE definitive work on what the Star of Bethlehem really was (Jupiter). It describes the numerous conjunctions and massing of planets that announced Christ's birth and pinpoints the exact day and time from astronomical, historical, and Biblical records. This evidence convinced the Magi astronomers (wise men) from Persia (Iran) to journey over 1000 miles to Bethlehem and pay honor to the 15-month old Christ child in December, 2 B.C. The Shockwave video (http://askelm.com/video/v020301.htm) produced by MSNBC is particularly good as it demonstrates the various conjunctions and retrograde planetary motions in a very clear fashion.

September 11th news, http://www.september11news.com/Sept11History.htm. Islamic jihadists killed nearly 3,000 of our fellow Americans on Sept. 11, 2001. The author of this site includes Christ's birth in his historical timeline of Sept 11 events. It is not surprising that the evil one of this world would besmirch the birth date of his eventual conqueror.

[enviros_kill]

Some more background on the Magi and the actual birth date of Christ:

"The Star of Bethlehem," IMPRIMIS, Hillsdale College (Dec 1996): http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/1996/Dec96Imprimis.pdf . A six page article that summarizes important facts supporting Christ's birth date of September 11, 3 B.C. Note that this date was also the Jewish New Year (Rosh Hashanah) and commonly considered to be the first day of Creation in Genesis ("birthday of the world").

"The Star that Astonished the World," Ernest Martin, Ph.D. http://askelm.com/star/star000.htm and http://askelm.com/books/book003.htm . This book is THE definitive work on what the Star of Bethlehem really was (Jupiter). It describes the numerous conjunctions and massing of planets that announced Christ's birth and pinpoints the exact day and time from astronomical, historical, and Biblical records. This evidence convinced the Magi astronomers (wise men) from Persia (Iran) to journey over 1000 miles to Bethlehem and pay honor to the 15-month old Christ child in December, 2 B.C. The Shockwave video (http://askelm.com/video/v020301.htm ) produced by MSNBC is particularly good as it demonstrates the various conjunctions and retrograde planetary motions in a very clear fashion.

September 11th news, http://www.september11news.com/Sept11History.htm . Islamic jihadists killed nearly 3,000 of our fellow Americans on Sept. 11, 2001. The author of this site includes Christ's birth in his historical timeline of Sept 11 events. It is not surprising that the evil one of this world would besmirch the birth date of his eventual conqueror.

[tortoise]

Too bad they didn't have a kick-**** God to stand up for them like the Jews did.

Except for all those times the Jews got their asses kicked?

[HiTech RedNeck]

It is not surprising that the evil one of this world would besmirch the birth date of his eventual conqueror.

You mean... you mean... we missed Christmas?!?

[HiTech RedNeck]

For a while, for misbehaving... but they always came back, and back, and back again, against all odds. God didn't promise that they wouldn't have a hard time, but He did promise to bless all who blessed them and curse all who cursed them.

[Cogadh na Sith]

Good one...

I've studied the Parsees for quite a while and have incorporated the Zoroastrian concept of God (YHWH--brought back to to Israel by the Hebrews after the 1st Exile) into my own Christian faith.

This is the 'Old Faith', the Faith of Kings. The first belief in the One God once revealed: It is no wonder that these guys were the first to recognize Christ as the Messiah. I'm actually planning on celebrating The Epiphany this year in honor of this...

Furthermore, some speculate because of the extraordinary age of Zoroastrianism that Judaism is a heretic sect of it.

I'll have you know that I have strict instructions with both my friends and my physician that I wish to be excarnated when I die in the Parsee fashion rather than interred or cremated.

That should be some trick to do in this over-regulated world, but I'm sure they will figure it out....

[Cogadh na Sith]

Heh... Somehow I figured you'd know a bit about these guys. My study of them has been more 'esoteric'....

[HiTech RedNeck]

aggggh, syncretism.

well they may put you on a mountaintop and feed you to eagles, but it won't make a whit of difference to your soul. it will be in heaven if you have trusted in Jesus Christ for your eternal life. it will be in hell otherwise.

[Consort]

[freedom44]

This evidence convinced the Magi astronomers (wise men) from Persia (Iran) to journey over 1000 miles to Bethlehem and pay honor to the 15-month old Christ child in December, 2 B.C. The Shockwave video (http://askelm.com/video/v020301.htm ) produced by MSNBC is particularly good as it demonstrates the various conjunctions and retrograde planetary motions in a very clear fashion.


Thanks for that site..
Merry Christmas.

[wideminded]

Traditionally, Zoroastrians do not bury or burn dead bodies or throw them into water, but expose them to vultures.

A news article a couple of years ago said that there is a problem with this now because a deadly disease which no one understands has decimated the population of vultures that normally carry out this task.

[leadhead]

A news article a couple of years ago said that there is a problem with this now because a deadly disease which no one understands has decimated the population of vultures that normally carry out this task

They ate a liberal

[Cronos]

Also the idea of Angels -- very similar to the Zoroastrian concept of angelic beings, although the Z angels (as depicted on the Persian monuments) have angel wings, men's bearded faces and bull's bodies.

[Cronos]

Though, let this be a lesson -- any culture that's infiltrated byIslam Dies and disappears. THink of the glory of Peria, Parthia, Media -- a civilisation stretching back to the very beginnings of history. The first wine growing culture, close to the first writing culture (Sumer in present day Iraq). The first tolerant Empire which Alexander was lucky enough to come upon when there was a weak King and got an Empire falling in his lap. This noble culture got decimated byIslam, like the Christian cultures of Byzantine, Egypt, Syria, Assyria, etc got decimated.

If we're not careful, the same will happen to us here in the US.

[Cronos]

Another piece of info -- sorry about this I find ancient cultures and religions (intertwined) fascinating.

The Ancient Aryan religion in it's primitive, barbaric form can be found amongst the old Norse legends with two families of Gods -- the Aesir and the Vanir who are more of less equal, though Thor, Odin etc are Aesir.

Indic and Irani cultures are similar -- both Aryan cultures but the religions differed:

In India, the Daeva family was elevated to the status of Gods so that Deva came to mean "God". This family included gods like Indra -- the God of Thunder and lightning -- like Thor -- chief of the gods, Surya the sun god and Agni the god of fire. However, Hinduism also incorporated other Caucasian pre-ARyan gods from the Dravidians -- a Caucasian race that existed in India before hte Aryans (lkind of like how the Sumerians were present before the Amorite, Semitic races) like Shiva or Vishnu
Anyhow, so the Daevas were made the chief gods while the Asuras were made lesser gods and then under the influence of Christianity and maybe Zoroastrianism, into demons, so now Asura means demon.

In Iran, the opposite happened with the Ahuras made Gods (Iranic and Indic differs slightly in pronunciation but otherwise are the main forebears of Indo-European) and Daevas reduced to household deities, minor gods.

Zoroaster choose one God -- Ahura Mazda, the god of light as the main, one of only two gods, the other being some other name I can'#t remember ;-P

Zoroastrianism had the philosophy that man's duty was to fight on the behalf of the God of good and to fight against evil.
The Persian Shahs were a pretty tolerant bunch -- as depicted byt he fact that they let the Judaens return home and by the fact that they didn't face as many problems in their Empire as their precursors the Assyrians and Babylonians had.

Zoroastrianism mixed with Christianity gave rise to religions like Manichaenism (can't remember the spelling) while Mazdaism had been a competitor for followers in the 2nd century in Rome with Christianity.

Then Islam came........

[Cronos]

Not really, the Rose Cross seems a mish-mash of ideas like the Masons -- borrowed ideas from old religions.

[Cronos]

Well, I think that the New Testament account probably would have mentioned it if dozens of Persian mystics had abruptly showed up. That likely would have been the most startling sight ever to occur in Bethlehem.

It might also have caused quite a bit of alarm -- remember that the Romans were fighting against the Parthians then and they never defeated them until Trajan in 100AD of thereabouts.

Trajan is quite extraordinary -- he pushed the Empire down into the Persian Gulf and dreamed, like Alexander before him, of getting to India. Imagine if the Emperors following him had had the gumption to do so, and Roman law, discipline was passed onto lands as far east as India. This would have put a more united front against Islam. Oh,well, there's no sadder words in English than the ones "what if"

[Cronos]

Persians in Roman Territory. Persian priests, high priests, Magi. This could mean somethign big was happening, maybe the Persians were abotu to reclaim their Empire which had once stretched to include Egypt, Canaan, Anatolia. Herod was in power because of Caesar Augustus and he would have reason to worry even if there were only 3