Immigration and Security

The Wall Street Journal ^ | Wednesday, December 24, 2003

[presidio9]

Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge recently committed the political sin of telling the truth. His helpful candor has reopened a much-needed debate over immigration and exposed some of the specious arguments used by those who want to close U.S. borders.

[PuNcH]

Funny that they complain not about the societal largesse, but merely gripe about some of the recipients.

Do you know what the word you used, "societal" actually means? Do you understand what an illegal alien is? Do you understand that largesse taxes those in the "society" and not those from outside? Do you understand that we are getting overwhelmed with burdens that are not our country's or it's citizens problem?

Funny isnt it.

[Poohbah]

Go back and read FR's mission statement.

[PuNcH]

Since you do not understand generaliztions, let me be a little more basic: The closed border policy has nothing to do with national security.

Once again dealing with drug smugglers and people smugglers and the rising crime rates and the terrorists that can come across the border is national security.

And yes in fact more than mexicans come across that border.

[txdoda]

It is directed at Mexico, not Canada, and its main targets are hispanic, not arabic.>>>>>>

Really, most who I talk to, want ALL borders closed until our gov't can CONTROL all US immigration.

Most want our gov't to enforce ALL US laws, not just 'pick & choose' the laws they want to enforce.

Is it America's fault that *most* of our illegals come from mexico ??? Is it our fault they refuse to learn English ???

How 'bout a little *blame* on the "arrogant Vincente" ??? A BILLION a month to mexico, plus what "his mexicans" cost us in the USA, yet he continues to 'fight for the whole enchilada'.

[PuNcH]

Oh, I get it. In your world, illegal employment is the same as murder, hence people who do not fear immigration are anarchists.

No, of course you still dont get it. This is where you need to understand what the rule of law is and what damage has been done because of the disregard for it. MURDER for one.

[presidio9]

Once again dealing with drug smugglers and people smugglers and the rising crime rates and the terrorists that can come across the border is national security.

Here we go again with the specious metaphors. What is your opinion on the Federal War on Drugs? Do you support it? If not, you have no business bringing drugs into this conversation.

[antisocial]

The socialist agenda you seem to be missing is - increasing the underclass artifically by means of illegal immigration so there will be more poor and minority status folks for the democrats to try to buy votes from. Unfortunately there are republican liberals that want the same thing: to increase their voting base by buying the votes of "poor underpriviliged" aliens and other minoritiy groups. The last paragraph of the article mentions a hope that a loud MINORITY of dissenters will not influence Bush. Almost all polls show that about 77% of Americans want better immigration enforcement and fewer immigrants. Bottom line is: pandering to immigrants( legal and illegal) is a tool of the socialists. Wanting to slow immigration and stop ILLEGAL immigration is not socialistic, just common sense.

[caltaxed]

That's what socialists and their lackeys do:

They treat the symptoms rather than the disease.

You can list the disease as a flood of people from a culture with a low regard for education. Most of our illegal immigrants have minimal education, and their children also do poorly in US schools.

These folks will be dependent on US welfare roles for some time because they do not possess the skills required for a modern economy.

[presidio9]

No, of course you still dont get it. This is where you need to understand what the rule of law is and what damage has been done because of the disregard for it. MURDER for one.

I know a Guy with a birthday tomorrow who would tell you that unless you yourself have never broken the law you have no buisness trying to incorporate this observation into your philosophy. Illegal employment is in no way comparable to murder.

[Missouri]

Because he wants to add their votes to the welfare economy.

Yes, but there is more. The Left (which includes Sweeeney) knows that immigrants of today vote over-whelmingly Democratic. Making illegals aliens, legal immigrants/citizens, adds alot of votes to their side which dilutes the conservative vote.

Check this link out. Link to F.A.I.R. article

I would abolish it.

I'm sure you would. I'm on your side on this. Any suggestions?

[texastoo]

The solution: Stop the handouts.

We have a Republican congress and a Republican president. Stop the handouts is a good idea. Do you think this will happen?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"They evade paying taxes"

This shows just how generally misinformed most people are on this subject, or maybe just how disingenuous.

Even the Center for Immigration Studies acknowledges that illegal immigrants paid in in excess of $87 billion dollars in taxes over a ten year period of time.

[presidio9]

You can list the disease as a flood of people from a culture with a low regard for education. Most of our illegal immigrants have minimal education, and their children also do poorly in US schools.

As an Irish American, I laugh at this gross generalization.

[txdoda]

Effectively sealing off the border with Mexico would also be a huge drain on our economy. And for what purpose? Do they threaten us militarily?>>>>>>>


You seem pretty obsessed with 'the mexico border only', yourself......so WHY do you think mexico has a RIGHT to be the largest part of US immigration ???

You must have a BIG dog in this hunt....Where's the ROBUST economy of CA??, home to the largest segement of illegals (from mexico) ??

[Luis Gonzalez]

"They evade paying taxes"

Furthermore, it falls on the employer to collect, and submit those tax payments in, not for the individual to send in a check weekly.

[presidio9]

You must have a BIG dog in this hunt....Where's the ROBUST economy of CA??, home to the largest segement of illegals (from mexico) ??

I have no interest. I live in NY and I am the whitest-looking guy you ever saw. I believe in competition, not congenital entitlement.

[antisocial]

Why don't you visit WWW. socialistinternational.org and see what socialists have to say about open borders and illegal immigrants? Funny thing, they seem to reflect your positions. Are you a trol from DU ? or socialist international? CPUSA, and Peoples weekly world, are communist sites and they agree with your views. How does that make you feel? I'd be ashamed.

Hummm

[presidio9]

We have a Republican congress and a Republican president. Stop the handouts is a good idea. Do you think this will happen?

The backlash is growing, but it will never happen is long as well-intentioned appeasers like the folks on this thread continue to do the bidding of the socialists.

[gubamyster]

ping & Merry Christmas

[PuNcH]

Illegal employment is in no way comparable to murder.

LOL, illegal immigration does not reduce down to mere illegal employment.

I know a Guy with a birthday tomorrow who would tell you that unless you yourself have never broken the law you have no buisness trying to incorporate this observation into your philosophy.

Eh? You cant respect or understand the rule of law if you've ever broken the law? Tell birthday boy he is a moron.