There is a strong whiff of pre-emptive CYA here, as if they suspect there is more coming soon and they want to be on record as not agreeing with the FBI theory. Gulp. |
What bomb????
There is a strong whiff of pre-emptive CYA here, as if they suspect there is more coming soon and they want to be on record as not agreeing with the FBI theory. Gulp. |
Sounds to me like somebody owes Hatfill a big apology.
1 posted on 12/26/2003 3:34:47 PM CST by Angelus ErrareTo: Dog; Dog Gone; Coop; aristeides; apokatastasis; Green Knight; Jacob Kell; Luis Gonzalez; ...Mega-Ping!
2 posted on 12/26/2003 3:36:13 PM CST by Angelus ErrareTo: Angelus Errare"Sounds to me like somebody owes Hatfill a big apology."
Maybe the FBI agent that rode over his foot would like to stand in front of his car?
3 posted on 12/26/2003 3:38:23 PM CST by John Beresford TiptonTo: Angelus ErrareHow can this be??? They were sure it was the right wing militia.
4 posted on 12/26/2003 3:40:41 PM CST by snopercod (War is, at first, like a young girl with whom every man desires to flirt.)To: Angelus ErrareI don't believe it. It makes no sense for the terrorists to send anthrax to their compatriots, the Democrat Senators. Now if they sent it to Sen. Frist or Rep. Delay, then I might agree...
5 posted on 12/26/2003 3:42:32 PM CST by paul in capetraces of anthrax recovered from a bomb in early 2003 were of the same strain Iraq declared in 1991 it had weaponized.ANTHRAX.... in IRAQ.... on a BOMB... in 2003.
So much for "No evidence of WMDs."
6 posted on 12/26/2003 3:42:40 PM CST by BagCamAddict (DO NOT TRUST ANY IRAQI WHO IS 40 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT !!)To: Angelus ErrareThe wife of the Sun's editor was the landlord to at least two of the 9/11 terrorists. This is no coincidence. What you have to remember is that *MOST* of the people who contracted anthrax got it when their own innocent mail was cross-contaminated with the anthrax letters as the envelopes touched each other in various post offices. This is why entire post offices had to be shut down. They weren't the target of the anthrax letters, but their mail got contaminated by the anthrax letters going to those targets.
Well, just as those anthrax letters contaminated other mail that they came into contact with while they were being mailed, the anthrax letters would *also* contaminate other letters being mailed by the terrorists, such as those to pay rent to their landlords. And those letters to their landlords would have likewise contaminated other mail, so it's easy to see how two people at the Sun's office got infected.
Contrary to the spin put forth by the "blame the right wing white guy" crowd, the Sun was not the intended target. The Sun didn't get a letter saying "We have this anthrax, you die now" like everybody else, and also take note that the actual anthrax targets were all in NYC and Washington, D.C., not Florida.
No, the Florida anthrax attack was an accident due to cross-contamination. The Sun's editor had his wife working as a landlord, and her mail got contaminated when the terrorists had to pay their rent to her.
No other theory explains how and why the Sun got hit in the manner that it did, but my theory above clearly shows a direct contamination trail from the terrorists to their landlord to the Sun's office.
They had to pay their rent, and the anthrax cross-contaminated their correspondence.
7 posted on 12/26/2003 3:46:31 PM CST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)To: paul in capeWasn't Dashole the majority leader at the time? If so, then it could be that terrorist had gone for the title and attempt to knock off our gov. instead of worrying about their friends. After all, look at all the actual members of their faith they are killing with their current activities. Grand scheme.
8 posted on 12/26/2003 3:49:27 PM CST by FreeAtlantaTo: SouthackDidn't Atta also buy Cipro in the weeks before 911? I heard he did.Or, was that just an Urban legend?
9 posted on 12/26/2003 3:52:12 PM CST by FreeAtlantaTo: Angelus Errare"Some officials think the intelligence is at least as valid as the FBI's "mad scientist" theory..."
*chuckle*
Translation: "So far we haven't found sheepdip, so maybe we need to look at other things."
Apology?
They won't do that, law enforcement agencies do not like to issue apologies for any reason since that would make then look bad.
They do not like having egg on their faces.
10 posted on 12/26/2003 3:55:53 PM CST by Darksheare (Let's celebrate the Dem's top 10 in the charts of pain, vote Republican.)To: Angelus ErrareThe Bureau strikes again! WOW! Are we safe from the terrorists. Thanks to our competant freinds in the Bureau.
To: seamoleping
12 posted on 12/26/2003 4:03:20 PM CST by Angelus ErrareTo: snopercodHow can this be??? They were sure it was the right wing militia.
Various reasons for FBI, um, "disinformation," include:
- Smarts: the FBI, at the behest of the admin, is sowing disinfo while we prepare for checkmate.
("disinformation" is a comforting possibility, but highly unlikely at this late date)
- Liberalism: FBI management, promoted during the 90s, really believe the RW nut scenario.
(unfortunately, this is at least as likely as the "disinfo" campaign)
- Organizational vanity: The FBI, pop-psych profile in hand, is forcing the case to fit the profile.
(profiles have media glamour, but are easily subjected to political forces)
- Bureaucratic entropy: The FBI's mission and training focus is on domestic crime-fighting.
(when all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail)
- Revisionism: FBI's focus on domestic extremists led to disasters at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
(therefore, a domestic, RW, anthrax nut would prove the FBI was "correct" all-along)
- Policy Problems: Faulty evidence rules and case policies from the 90's badly affect investigations.
(Rank-and-file grumblings: Trie; Wen-Ho Lee; Moussaoui; flight schools; OKC; etc.)
- Stoolie: The FBI is attempting to protect a mole or some other source of info.
(maybe they have someone on the inside, but it seems unlikely)
- CYA: They're covering for some yet-unknown, internal lapse or action.
13 posted on 12/26/2003 4:03:37 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)To: Angelus Errare; BKO; Carl/NewsMax; Clinton Is Scum; billoreilly; Sean Hannity; ....
NEVER FORGET that it was HILLARY who announced, almost immediately after the first Anthrax Attacks in American History, that they were domestic attacks against all her Friends:
-TOM BROKAW
-DAN RATHER
-PETER JENNINGS
-TOM DASCHLE
-TOM LEAHY
in order to enhance their credibility as "Purple Heart" Veterans in a new Time of War she helped cause...
and to also threaten HILLARY's Enemies such as:
-American Media, Inc Publications
-Columnist DICK MORRIS' NY Daily News Editorial Staff
The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.
.
14 posted on 12/26/2003 4:07:04 PM CST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)To: FreeAtlantaAnthrax = Islamic Terrorism
Any scenario other than Islamic terrorism means ALL of the following are just coincidences.
SERIOUS CONNECTIONS
- The most serious bioterror attack in America began only days after 9-11
- The letters all mention standard Islamic catch-phrases.
- Florida Dr. Tsonas treated Ahmed al-Haznawi for a severe leg lesion in late June.
Dr. Tsonas is now convinced it was cutaneous anthrax.
- Two Johns Hopkins biodefense experts (Dr. Thomas Inglesby, Dr. Tara O'Toole) agree with Tsonas.
- FL hijackers inquire about crop-dusters and dispersal characteristics of chemical loads.
- Atta attempted to obtain a loan to buy a plane and convert it into a chemical transport.
- Moussaoui, the "20th hijacker", had tech info on airliners, crop-dusters, and wind patterns.
- Mohamed Atta went to a drugstore with red, chemical-burned hands mid-2001.
Druggist thought Atta was suffering from exposure to a chemical with basic pH, possibly bleach (used to kill anthrax).
- Allah Rakah, detained by FBI, for placing suspicious bag of letters in his car with FL license plates
- Atta met twice with Colonel Muhammed Khalil Ibrahim al-Ani, a "very senior" Iraqi 'Special Ops' agent.
(one report says the Czechs confirmed they had video...spycraft SOP)
(another report claims that a vacumm bottle was passed to Atta during the meeting)
- Ziad Jarrah also met with an Iraqi agent in 2001 in the UAE.
- Marwan al-Shehhi also met with an Iraqi agent in 2001 in the UAE.
- Iraq is the ONLY hostile country known to have succeeded in weaponizing anthrax
- Iraq conducted military exercises simulating the dispersal of anthrax spores from crop-dusters
- The anthrax coating is silica, a material used by Iraq on biological agents.
- Chemical and biological weapons are effectively dispersed from crop-dusters
- The terrorists had two operational hubs: Hamilton, New Jersey and Delray, Florida. Anthrax was found in both areas.
JUST COINCIDENCES??
- The wife of the Sun tabloid's editor rented two apartments to two hijackers In Florida.
- The intials of the ringleader, A-T-T-A, are highlighted in letter 3a (Brokaw).
- Marwan al-Shehhi went to Huber Drugs (with Atta) with severe chest congestion.
The pharmacist sold him a bottle of Robitussin initially, and later antibiotics.
15 posted on 12/26/2003 4:09:39 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)To: FreeAtlantaWasn't Dashole the majority leader at the time? If so, then it could be that terrorist had gone for the title and attempt to knock off our gov. instead of worrying about their friends.How do you explain the anthrax letter sent to Sen. Leahy? He doesn't seem to be one of the more well-known senators.
16 posted on 12/26/2003 4:13:28 PM CST by widemindedTo: Angelus ErrareVast right wing conspiracy fer sure. Daschle told me so.
17 posted on 12/26/2003 4:14:10 PM CST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)To: polemikos; farmfriend; BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge; Dog; Dog GoneThanks for all the links:
18 posted on 12/26/2003 4:15:22 PM CST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Davis is now out of Arnoold's Office , Bout Time!!!!)To: SouthackI prefer the theory that the Florida letter was the result of a terrorist taking his instruction too literally. He was told to send letters to the American media and sent the first one to American Media Inc. in Florida.
To: wideminded; No More Gore Anymore; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
See my ALOHA RONNIE Post #14 =
Anthrax Targets Sen. LEAHY and Sen. DASCHLE's credibility enhancements on TV in their Battles against our Commander-in-Chief BUSH's protecting us in Time of War.
Sen. LEAHY even went on to repeadedly remind us on TV during one of his Battles against BUSH that he was targeted by really powerful Anthrax with the strength of 100,000 Spores on an area of a pinhead.
T'is so cravenly obvious to me, anyway.
So's this:
'HILLARY and TERRORISM's plan to regain the White House'
http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1022571/posts
.
20 posted on 12/26/2003 4:28:45 PM CST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)To: ALOHA RONNIENEVER FORGET that it was HILLARY who announced, almost immediately after the first Anthrax Attacks in American History, that they were domestic attacks against all her Friends:
-TOM BROKAW
-DAN RATHER
-PETER JENNINGS
-TOM DASCHLE
-TOM LEAHY
Excellent memory!
To: polemikos"Iraq is the ONLY hostile country known to have succeeded in weaponizing anthrax"
Today, no fewer than Libya, Syria, and North Korea have weaponized anthrax, along with a host of other potentials (states/bio-agents).
22 posted on 12/26/2003 4:43:55 PM CST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)To: Angelus Errare; All23 posted on 12/26/2003 5:08:30 PM CST by aristeidesTo: SouthackLibya, Syria, and North Korea...
Got links?
24 posted on 12/26/2003 5:09:45 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)To: polemikosCountries with Agricultural Bioweapons Programs
A number of countries have conducted bioweapons research on anti-livestock or anti-crop pathogens. Countries with documented programs are outlined in the table below.
Documented Agricultural Bioweapons Programs
Country*
Dates of Program
Diseases Studied
Canada
1940s-1960s
Anthrax, rinderpest
France
1939-1972
Potato beetle, rinderpest
Former Soviet Union
1935-1992 (current status unclear)
African swine fever, anthrax, avian influenza, brown grass mosaic, brucellosis, contagious bovine pleuropneumonia, contagious ecthyma (sheep), foot-and-mouth disease, glanders, maize rust, Newcastle disease, potato virus, psittacosis, rinderpest, rice blast, rye blast, tobacco mosaic, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, vesicular stomatitis, wheat stem rust, wheat and barley mosaic streak viruses
Germany
1915-1917, 1942-1945
Anthrax, foot-and-mouth disease, glanders, potato beetle, wheat fungus
Iraq
1980s-present (current status unclear)
Aflatoxin, anthrax, camelpox, foot-and-mouth disease, wheat stem rust, wheat smut
Japan
1937-1945
Anthrax, glanders
South Africa
1980s-1993
Anthrax
United Kingdom
1937-1960s
Anthrax
United States
1943-1969
Anthrax, brucellosis, Eastern and Western equine encephalitis, foot-and-mouth disease, glanders, late blight of potato, Newcastle disease, psittacosis, rice blast, rice brown spot disease, rinderpest, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, wheat blast fungus, wheat stem rust
Several countries other than those noted in the table above are suspected of having agricultural bioweapons programs, although the status of these programs is unknown (see References: Monterey Institute of International Studies: Agricultural biowarfare). They include:
- Egypt (anthrax, brucellosis, glanders, psittacosis, Eastern equine encephalitis)
- North Korea (anthrax)
- Syria (anthrax)
25 posted on 12/26/2003 5:27:02 PM CST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)To: SouthackI think my statement still stands ;-)
26 posted on 12/26/2003 5:30:01 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)To: Angelus ErrareA4 sized paper. Like, duh.
To: wideminded"How do you explain the anthrax letter sent to Sen. Leahy?"
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze43v8m/Page2.html#Leahy%20Law
28 posted on 12/26/2003 5:31:52 PM CST by pokerbuddy2To: polemikos29 posted on 12/26/2003 5:34:49 PM CST by pokerbuddy2To: John Beresford Tipton30 posted on 12/26/2003 5:35:41 PM CST by pokerbuddy2To: pokerbuddy2Cool. Thanks!
31 posted on 12/26/2003 5:39:56 PM CST by polemikos (Democrats -- Proudly Confusing Libertinism with Freedom for Over 100 Years)To: onyx.
Awh, but HILLARY's Trick here is that she NEVER bothers to tell US that...
TOM BROKAW
DAN RATHER &
PETER JENNINGS
...are in fact her Friends to the point of their NEVER reporting on TV HILLARY's own misbehaviors to US on Network TV News.
The CLINTONS' M.O =
'It's the TV, Stupid, no matter WHO pays for it'...
still.
.
32 posted on 12/26/2003 5:44:14 PM CST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)To: polemikos"I think my statement still stands ;-)"
Post #25 CLEARLY shows that North Korea and Syria have anthrax weapons programs, yet *your* statement was that only Iraq had it.
Just precisely *HOW* does your claim still stand?
33 posted on 12/26/2003 5:45:04 PM CST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)To: Angelus ErrareNooooooooooo!? Who'd a thunk it?!?!
To: SouthackCan you not read plain English?
Relax a second, will ya?
I wrote:
"Iraq is the ONLY hostile country known to have succeeded in weaponizing anthrax"
The operative words here are: "only", "hostile" and "known" and "succeeded".
Your chart demonstrates my statement quite clearly.
Your counter examples are only "suspected", but not "known".
The english is quite plain.
I think we all know that Gertz gets some of the best leaks from spooks who want things to leak. The question is, why this? And why now?