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Hijacker Activities Uncovered in Fla., N.J./ Witness: Hijack suspect visited crop dusting airfield.
ABCNEWS.com ^ | Witness: Hijack suspect visited crop dusting airfield. | Brian Ross and John Miller

Posted on 09/24/2001 5:46:15 AM PDT by kattracks

A suspected ringleader in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on America repeatedly visited a crop dusting airfield in Florida, asking lots of questions on topics including how many chemicals a crop dusting plane could hold, according to a witness.

Federal authorities fear the suspect's presence at the airfield is another indication the terrorists may have planned, or still may plan, to use crop dusters to launch a chemical or biological attack.

Crop dusters near the nation's 30 biggest cities have been grounded since Sept. 11. And now, police are stationed near the Belle Glade, Fla., crop dusting airfield the suspect, Mohammed Atta, apparently visited as recently as the Saturday before the terrorist attacks.

In addition, Zacarias Moussaoui, under arrest as a material witness and detained since August, was found with a crop dusting manual in his belongings, ABCNEWS has confirmed.

"Things like anthrax spores are easily transported, easily put into a solution that could be dispensed out of a crop duster," author and U.S. Navy (news - web sites) Commander Ward Carroll said.

More than a dozen men including Atta — a suspected hijacker believed to have died on a plane that smashed into the North Tower of New York's World Trade Center — repeatedly visited the Florida airfield, said chief pilot Willie Lee, who identified Atta to the FBI (news - web sites).

Atta was "very persistent about wanting to know how much the airplane will haul, how fast it will go, what kind of range it has," Lee said. "The guy kept trying to get in the airplane and there was nobody there but the ground crew. Everybody had gone. And he said that he just had to run him away from the airplane because he kept trying to get on the wing, wanted to get inside the cockpit and so forth."

Check back for continuous updates on the hunt for terrorists from ABCNEWS' worldwide investigative team.

Presenting the Evidence

U.S. officials believe Atta and other men who hijacked airplanes and crashed them into the Pentagon (news - web sites) and the World Trade Center were working for terrorist Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s al Qaeda organization. The government is preparing a report detailing evidence that will prove to the world that bin Laden was behind the attacks, administration officials said.

Portions of the document, called a "white paper," will be presented with other evidence incriminating bin Laden and al Qaeda, Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said.

"I think his guilt is going to be very obvious to the world. I mean, he has been indicted previously for terror activity against the United States, and so this is a continuing pattern of terrorism," Powell said on ABCNEWS' This Week .

"We are putting all of the information that we have together, the intelligence information, the information being generated by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies," he said.

The White House had previously said it would not make public any evidence because it could jeopardize intelligence-gathering efforts. But some countries — including Pakistan, Afghanistan (news - web sites)'s neighbor and one of only two countries that recognize the Taliban regime as the legitimate Afghan government — have asked that the United States provide clear evidence that bin Laden orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington.

Clues in Paterson, N.J.

Meanwhile, investigators believe the New Jersey city of Paterson, just 25 miles from the twin towers, may have been the base for a major terrorist cell. ABCNEWS has learned that during the three months prior to the attack, 11 of the 19 suspected hijackers lived in or near Paterson.

A building at 486 Union Ave. was home to six of the terrorists until just days before the attacks. According to the FBI, the third floor apartment was rented for the last six months by Nawak Al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour, two of the hijackers of Flight 77 that slammed into the Pentagon.

But here, they were hardly noticed. Paterson has a large Muslim community, and the terrorists kept to themselves, had no furniture and made their calls from a pay phone.

At least two of the hijackers stayed at a motel in Wayne, N.J., and others rented small planes at nearby airports for flight practice. Others used phony names and addresses to rent cars for long road trips.

"There was nothing suspicious about them," said Glenn Boonstra, a car dealer. "They were typical businesslike people that wanted to rent a vehicle. … But now we're looking at a form like this and saying, 'Where did he go in three days? Where did he put 1,100 miles on?' We do a lot of speculation."

FBI agents are also looking at records from three banks near Paterson where the hijackers kept money. And they're looking at where that money came from. Investigators also are trying to learn if there are others involved who were not killed on Sept. 11, and if they can be found.

Global Search Intensifies

Around the world, the manhunt for suspected terrorists intensified this weekend.

Authorities say they believe they have thwarted at least two planned attacks. In one, terrorists planned to attack the U.S. Embassy in Paris by helicopter, they said. In a separate arrest in Belgium, officials seized bomb-making materials.

ABCNEWS has learned that up to 30 attacks may have been planned in the United States and Europe following the assaults in which terrorists flew hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Another hijacked plane crashed in western Pennsylvania when passengers apparently tried to wrest the controls from the terrorists.

Federal agents have been painstakingly working their way through nearly 150,000 leads generated by the investigation of the attacks. Nearly half of the tops were submitted to an FBI Internet Web site.

Petrochemical companies and nuclear companies were told by the FBI last week to be on a high state of alert. The warning is general rather than specific, according to officials.

ABCNEWS has learned that some of the individuals thought to have been trained as pilots had booked reservations on airline flights scheduled to take place in the days after last week's attacks — including flights out of Boston and San Antonio this weekend.

There are at least two dozen people still at large who have ties to the suspected terrorists, officials say.

European Union (news - web sites) Cooperates Fully

Authorities in Belgium, Germany, France, Britain and the Netherlands made several arrests over the weekend. German authorities say they are pursuing nearly 1,000 leads. Three of the suspected hijackers attended two universities in Hamburg.

European officials are also looking into whether people linked to the attacks may have profited from financial market speculation.

They are also cooperating fully with U.S. authorities, which had not always been done in past. The European Union agreed to work to speed up ratification of an existing U.N. resolution calling for the freezing Taliban assets.

ABCNEWS' Brian Ross and John Miller contributed to this report.


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1 posted on 09/24/2001 5:46:15 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Thanks for the report.
2 posted on 09/24/2001 5:54:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: kattracks
bttt
3 posted on 09/24/2001 5:56:26 AM PDT by surfer
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To: kattracks
We the people of the USA should demand the our government immediatly deport all illegal immigrants from the Middle East, and put a moratorium on all visas, including student visas from those countries!
4 posted on 09/24/2001 6:00:20 AM PDT by imperator2
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To: kattracks
BTTT
5 posted on 09/24/2001 6:09:51 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: kattracks
Federal authorities fear the suspect's presence at the airfield is another indication the terrorists may have planned, or still may plan, to use crop dusters to launch a chemical or biological attack.

I think the feds are giving the terrorists too much credit here. Chemical and biological weapons require a significant research/development/manufacturing infrastructure. More likely Atta was looking for an alternative to hijacking a airliner. Fill the chemical tanks on a crop duster with explosives (heck just use gasoline) and you have a helluva flying bomb. MHO

6 posted on 09/24/2001 6:16:00 AM PDT by The_Victor
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To: afraidfortherepublic, kattracks
 Suspect eyed Glades planes

 By Sanjay Bhatt, Alex Navarro Clifton and Larry Hobbs,
Palm Beach Post Staff Writers
Monday, September 24, 2001

BELLE GLADE -- Suspected hijacker Mohamed Atta frequently visited and quizzed crop-dusting workers here about their operations -- as recently as three days before the attacks in New York and Washington -- prompting fears that a South Florida-based terrorist cell was plotting a biochemical attack.

 The Federal Aviation Administration late last week ordered a nationwide grounding of crop-dusters Saturday and Sunday and expanded restricted airspace at all major open-air sporting and other entertainment venues. The restricted airspace includes fairgrounds and stadiums, including Pro Player in Miami-Dade County where the Dolphins played Sunday against the Oakland Raiders.

 The no-fly zone would give military aircraft more time to scramble should any aircraft be spotted heading toward a stadium.

 The crop-dusters, grounded because of what sources called a "serious, credible threat," were allowed back in the air as of 12:05 a.m. today.

 FAA spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen cited "national security" for the precautions, stopping short of connecting the restricted airspace and the crop-dusting prohibition to the fear of a biochemical assault.

 The order grounding crop-dusters was the second since the Sept. 11 attacks. Bergen said there is no plan to reinstate the ban next weekend.

 The FBI has determined that 12 of the 19 suspected hijackers had ties to South Florida -- and that Atta appeared to be the ringleader.

 James Lester, who loads chemicals on crop-dusters at the Belle Glade Airport, recognized Atta from an FBI photo. Lester said Atta visited the airport with two other Middle Eastern men.

 Lester, 50, of South Bay, has worked on crop-dusters for nearly 30 years. In the course of a 12-hour day, he loads the planes with pesticide or fertilizer, cleans them and mixes the chemicals.

 As long as he can remember, people have stopped at the airport, curious about crop-dusters. So he didn't think much of it when three Middle Eastern men showed up in February.

 Atta asked a lot of questions, Lester said, and mentioned that he was a student pilot.

 "He wanted to sit in the airplane," Lester recalled. "I told him he couldn't do that. The owner wouldn't allow that."

 Atta and his two companions, who Lester said spoke in muffled Arabic, just walked around the planes, looking them over.

 Lester doesn't believe Atta would have been able to fly the crop-duster.

 "It's a totally different airplane," Lester said. "Just 'cause you fly a commercial airplane, you can't just jump in there and fly 'em."

 Still, the encounter chilled Lester.

 "It's mind-boggling to think something like this could happen to you here in your back yard," he said.

 Lester works for Willie Lee, 62, who has been crop-dusting in the Glades for 40 years. Lee said he didn't pay much attention to the visitors, and didn't recognize any of them when the FBI showed him pictures early last week.

 Lee said the men came to the airport just about every weekend in July and August -- most recently on Sept. 8, three days before the hijackings. Lee said they asked questions about the flying capabilities of crop-dusters and the amount of chemicals they can hold.

 He said they were different from the Arab-Americans who live in Belle Glade. The visitors, he said, were pushy and arrogant.

 Lee, who flies an Air Tractor 502, says about 10 crop-dusting outfits are based nearby. His plane holds three hours of fuel and holds 500 gallons of pesticide.

 "They gave me the idea they were flight students," Lee said. "They just acted like they were learning how to fly to go back home to fly for a living. I was busy and didn't take a lot of time to talk to them."

 Still, he reported the visits to police.

 "I never thought anything of it until after the bombings. That's when it dawned on me that it might be unusual that they were asking these particular questions."

 Lee said he wasn't impressed with their crop-dusting knowledge.

 "From what I got, none of these people were good enough to fly these planes," he said. "It's not easy to start. You can blow the things up right on the ground. It takes some schooling. You just don't get in there and flip a switch and start the thing up."

 Belle Glade Police Chief Michael Miller said the FBI had made inquiries about the airport but declined to elaborate.

 In a related development, investigators have discovered a manual on crop-dusters kept by Zacarias Moussouai, a man with alleged links to Osama bin Laden who was detained in August in Minnesota after he sought training at a flight school.

 It was too much of a coincidence, authorities said.

 "The intelligence community came to us and encouraged us to shut down the crop-dusters," FAA spokesman Scott Brenner said.

 Investigators also have issued warnings to the trucking industry to watch for any suspicious activity involving the hauling of chemicals, radioactive waste, biological agents and other hazardous materials.

 The FBI "has received information on numerous terrorist threats regarding potential use of chemical, biological and/or radiological/nuclear WMD" -- weapons of mass destruction -- according to an alert issued Thursday by the American Trucking Association.

 The FBI last week arrested a former Boston cabdriver, Nabil Almarabh, who had financial ties to some hijackers and had recently secured a Michigan license to haul hazardous materials such as dynamite, gases and toxic and radioactive waste. Two men arrested in Almarabh's former Detroit home had licenses to drive commercial trucks, officials said.

 "We're trying to exercise an abundance of caution," one FBI official said. "We're not downplaying anything. Anytime we get a suspicious report or circumstances, we are trying to ask people to be on the lookout."

 James Callen, executive director of the National Agricultural Aviation Association, said the nation's 4,000 crop-dusting planes, which also are used to combat fires and mosquitoes, usually hold 300 to 800 gallons of chemicals. Crop-duster pilots must obtain small-plane commercial licenses and special training for agricultural aviation, Callen said.

 Callen said the FBI and FAA have not informed the group of any specific reason for the grounding orders. He said there have been no confirmed reports of stolen planes or chemicals in recent weeks.
 


7 posted on 09/24/2001 6:16:56 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: kattracks
So they grounded cropdusters for 30 major cities. Is that a guarantee that the terrorists wouldn't go to smaller towns and cities?
8 posted on 09/24/2001 6:25:05 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: kattracks
I hope that any Muslim who might be inclined to overlook suspicious behavior in a fellow Muslim realizes that like the rest of us he and his children will die in agony in the event of a bio-chemical attack.

Or who knows, they may go after the heartland this time and stay well away from cities with a substantial Arab presence.

I HATE thinking like this. But if only one in a thousand immigrants, students, visitors, is a terrorists, and one in a hundred would shelter or overlook him, that's a lot of terrorists. And a lot of good people, I know, tarred with that brush. Saudis in camps and Afghans in caves are a lot less of a threat than the ones among us.

So we put a freeze on Palestinian visas. Very impressive. Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, come on in. All here, keep your places.

Mrs VS

9 posted on 09/24/2001 6:34:44 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: The_Victor
Could be. It could also be possible that prior to the WTC attack, the operatives were ordered to make themselves obvious in other threatening ways, to leave a post-mortem terror trail. In sum, a psychological attack, to emerge post-catastrophe when they were investigated. Why else would they leave so much mocking evidence behind?

I could be giving them too much credit, but they did manage to kill almost 7000 with a set of box cutters.

10 posted on 09/24/2001 6:39:14 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: mommadooo3
Is that even a guarantee they won't fly to the 30 major cities? From what I know of crop dusting, they can fly very low--I watch them around here when they work. They're just about at weed-level! What radar would pick that up, if someone bought a plane and took off from an obscure field somewhere? This crop duster angle is definitely not good news for anyone.
11 posted on 09/24/2001 7:04:02 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: imperator2
"We the people of the USA should demand the our government immediatly deport all illegal immigrants from the Middle East, and put a moratorium on all visas, including student visas from those countries!"

Yes, but we won't. We're still mesmerized by "tolerance"...until our cities begin dying, one by one. Then it will be--and perhaps already is--far too late.

--Boris

12 posted on 09/24/2001 7:21:09 AM PDT by boris
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To: kattracks
I'm still glad that Neal Boortz and others complained about an imposition on their constitutional rights regarding general aviation. While I never personally dissented about the temporary measure and assumed Bush had a good reason, we must never be so unified that we ever completely surrender our freedom for a minute without dissent.
13 posted on 09/24/2001 7:21:24 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: golitely
You're right. And if people stop to THINK they'd realize you're right. But the fbi seems to think THEY are right and have nipped the cropduster threat, in the bud.

I've decided to pass along alerts to people/places in my area. We live in a backwoods type area. There are lots of farmers, and cropdusting planes. Word of mouth seems to be the order of the day. LOL...I have 'targeted' my local farmers' co-op/grainery, our farrier, school, and groceries. I'm trying to get the 'courage' up to 'chat' with the local sheriff.

14 posted on 09/24/2001 7:22:14 AM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: The_Victor
Chemical and biological weapons require a significant research/development/manufacturing infrastructure.

Compared to any other weapon, this is simply not true.

15 posted on 09/24/2001 7:42:24 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
Compared to any other weapon, this is simply not true.

How do you figure? Biological weapons have to be cultured, and its not like you can purchase the agent on the open market. Anthrax is not easy to grow: it requires tight environmental control to get significant yield (enough to make a weapon). Chemical weapons must be manufactured in a processing plant. Mustard gas and other blistering agents, although chemically simple, require a processing plant to yield enough to make a weapon.

A gasoline (call it napalm) bomb requires... well… gasoline.

16 posted on 09/24/2001 9:12:29 AM PDT by The_Victor
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To: The_Victor
Biological weapons have to be cultured, and its not like you can purchase the agent on the open market

Glassware full of a substance to feed the critters is all that is needed. Biology texts provide more than just clues to this. Simple observations under a microscope allow process tuning. Temperature and pressure controls are extremely simple; and, can be excercised by humans using simple gauges and valves. A starter culture can be obtained from a sick critter or human. There are plenty of sick critters and humans in third world countries where inoculations are not commonplace. Strength of the biological agent is increased by taking a culture from an entity that was killed with the preceding strain.

Chemical weapons must be manufactured in a processing plant

Such plant is a great deal easier to build than a steel mill. Biological agents could be cultured in a plant that is easier to build than a steel mill.

Mustard gas and other blistering agents, although chemically simple, require a processing plant to yield enough to make a weapon.

What was the state of industry during WWI? Probably not much more advanced than might be found in any country with electric power. Quanity is "production rate" integrated over time.

The resources of a nation can be coordinated to some astounding results, even in relatively "primative" situations. The resolve of an enemy can usually overcome most anything. By consulting the CIA web page regarding Afghanistan, one can determine that they do have some resources. They also have money. Remember that Afghanistan is not the only nation that houses our enemies.

17 posted on 09/24/2001 2:21:50 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: The_Victor
Anthrax is not easy to grow

http://rense.com/political/weapons/newwarn.htm

I'll dredge up some more sites that indicate the reasonable fear of bio-terrorism. There are oodles of them.

18 posted on 09/24/2001 2:46:30 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
My whole point was not that it is impossible to get or create the bio or chem weapons, but your response details the problems involved. An environmental control system for cultivating anthrax is (as you point out) not simple. A mustard gas plant (even WWI vintage) is still a chemical processing plant. These terrorists were going for simple (boxcutters and airline tickets). These other methods are going to raise suspicions, without an increase in the amount of damage done. Occum's Razor applies.
19 posted on 09/24/2001 3:00:23 PM PDT by The_Victor
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To: GingisK
Everything that your detailing here goes back to my original stament, and your making the point for me...

Chemical and biological weapons require a significant research/development/manufacturing infrastructure.

20 posted on 09/24/2001 3:04:43 PM PDT by The_Victor
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To: The_Victor
Chemical and biological weapons require a significant research....

OK, I'll be more specific: Even I could make chemical and biological weapons. Fifty million people, who are very determined to inflict harm on US citizens, can do the same. Perhaps you prefer to underestimate enemies?

Two hundred pounds of glassware, a house-hold heating/air-conditioner system, some pumps, and some compressors does not constitute "significant infrastructure". All of this stuff is dirt cheap and easily available.

"The research personnel come from where?", you might ask. They are trained right here in our own schools. Books can be found all over the internet and in every bookstore.

I think you don't grasp how easy it is to manufacture these weapons .... much easier than conventional arms. If this were not the case, why ground the crop dusters?

21 posted on 09/25/2001 6:48:18 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
You misunderstand my point. I'll go item by item here.

OK, I'll be more specific: Even I could make chemical and biological weapons. Fifty million people, who are very determined to inflict harm on US citizens, can do the same. Perhaps you prefer to underestimate enemies?

No I do not wish to underestimate anyone, but for nearly a year now we've been talking about complicate scenarios involving rogue state terrorist attack ("We need missile defense"), and the terrorist went for an incredibly simplistic attack that we never anticipated. It is in fact those focused on complicated methods of attack that are underestimating our enemy.

Two hundred pounds of glassware, a house-hold heating/air-conditioner system, some pumps, and some compressors does not constitute "significant infrastructure". All of this stuff is dirt cheap and easily available.

I would disagree, in that in total the education, research (you have to practice growing the stuff to get it right), and processing materials necessary are complicated. It does not fit this particular group's modus operendi (Latin sp?). I have never said that it is impossible, but rather that the puzzle piece doesn't fit here.

"The research personnel come from where?", you might ask. They are trained right here in our own schools. Books can be found all over the internet and in every bookstore.

Time, time, time, time. Although these people are obviously patient, I don't think the years (4 for the BS degree, 8 for the PhD) would be considered worthwhile.

I think you don't grasp how easy it is to manufacture these weapons .... much easier than conventional arms. If this were not the case, why ground the crop dusters?

I don't think you have considered how complex the scenario you have laid out is. I don't think it is something we should ignore. If we can conceive it, they can probably do it. But these particular people used a brilliantly simple plan to destroy the WTC and kill 6000+ Americans. It is far more conceivable to obtain 500 gallons of gasoline and a crop duster than it is to go through any of the gyrations that you describe.

Please don't misunderstand me. We must be vigilant on all fronts. However, I think the focus on complicated methods of attack is severely misguided.

22 posted on 09/25/2001 7:47:52 AM PDT by The_Victor
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To: kattracks
"Things like anthrax spores are easily transported, easily put into a solution that could be dispensed out of a crop duster," author and U.S. Navy (news - web sites) Commander Ward Carroll said.

From what I've read, this isn't as easy as this guy is making it sound. Then again, I've heard a lot of conflicting reports on this....I'm really not sure what to believe anymore. My only thought is that if this is so easy to do (some people here make it sound like anyone can go in their basement, make a bunch of anthrax, and kill hundreds of thousands of people with it), how come it hasn't been done in the past by some pissed off American who hates the world and wants to go out with a bang?

23 posted on 09/25/2001 9:00:31 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: The_Victor
"we're being told that Atta, the perceived ringleader of the hijackers, applied for a GOVERNMENT LOAN to buy a cropduster"
24 posted on 09/25/2001 9:09:25 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Using American resources to kill Americans. That part of the puzzle fits perfectly.
25 posted on 09/25/2001 9:15:17 AM PDT by The_Victor
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To: GingisK
I think you don't grasp how easy it is to manufacture these weapons .... much easier than conventional arms. If this were not the case, why ground the crop dusters?

From what I've read, making anthrax and making anthrax into an aresol solution to kill mass amounts of people from a crop duster are two very different things. The latter requires a lot of money and specialized equipment.

26 posted on 09/25/2001 9:17:22 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: The_Victor
btttttttt
27 posted on 09/25/2001 10:48:14 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Nate505
...making anthrax...

Smallpox, ebola, plauge, etc. Biology is the only weapon that is universally available.

28 posted on 09/25/2001 12:59:20 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: The_Victor
I don't think the years (4 for the BS degree, 8 for the PhD) would be considered worthwhile....

This recent plan was 5 years in the making. Those countries don't have anything but time. They do have enough money. Besides, you don't have to get a diploma to get the knowledge. You just need the books. If I bore the sort of grudge those people maintain, an entire lifetime would not be too long. This is the level of thier anger and conviction.

Furthermore, it is accepted in the defense community that Iraq has extensive biological and chemical weapons already. I presume that to be a source against the US.

I don't, in general, disagree with you except that it would be very foolish to overlook a biological attack. Most of the articles stemming from the intellegence community support this notion.

29 posted on 09/25/2001 1:07:55 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
Furthermore, it is accepted in the defense community that Iraq has extensive biological and chemical weapons already. I presume that to be a source against the US.

If bio weapons are used, you could almost guarantee Iraq's involvement. They have the everything in place to make these weapons. The problem for them is delivery. And to complicate matters, smuggling the completed agents into the US would be difficult, so a short range aircraft like a crop duster would be unlikely. Setting up to manufacture in this country would seem be more likely but carries the risk of detection. Rather than crop dusters though something along the lines of a mosquito control disguise (as has already been discussed on the news here in Houston) would be a more likely delivery method. We could probably think of a few more, but no loose lips here.

I don't, in general, disagree with you except that it would be very foolish to overlook a biological attack. Most of the articles stemming from the intelligence community support this notion.

I am in full agreement with you that we must consider every possibility. But what we have been overlooking are the confoundingly simple means of attack, which is why 6000+ Americans have perished.

30 posted on 09/25/2001 1:48:58 PM PDT by The_Victor
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To: The_Victor
But what we have been overlooking are the confoundingly simple means of attack, which is why 6000+ Americans have perished.

This is digustingly clear. I think a "grand constriction" of our borders is one of the most meaninful responses. Expidited expulsion anyone who seemed happy about that attack would be another wise move.

There will always be a simple means of attack, unless Americans wish to exchange much of thier freedom for security. I'd rather pack heat and shoulder the responsibilities and risks associated with freedom. It is fairly obvious that you'd be there beside me.

31 posted on 09/25/2001 2:24:05 PM PDT by GingisK
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