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Iraq TV Shot Tape of POWs Lynch, Piestewa
Associated Press ^ | 12/30/03

Posted on 12/30/2003 6:28:04 PM PST by saquin

NEW YORK - Graphic video footage of a badly injured Jessica Lynch and Lori Piestewa, who may have died shortly afterward, was taken by Iraqi state television following the ambush of the soldiers' Army convoy, NBC reported Tuesday night.

The video, aired on "NBC Nightly News," shows the two Army privates at the hospital where they were taken following the March 23 ambush of the 507th Maintenance Co.

The tape was never aired in Iraq, NBC reported.

Piestewa, her face swollen and bruised and her head loosely bandaged, is shown as someone positions her feet, and then her head, for the camera shot. Her lip is shown curling back in an apparent grimace.

Lynch, 20, of Palestine, W.Va., is also shown bandaged, her lip cut.

Neither appears awake or alert.

"I haven't watched it," Piestewa's mother, Percy Piestewa, said when contacted by The Associated Press. "I don't want to talk to any reporters right now."

Telephone messages left with two spokespeople for Lynch's family were not immediately returned.

Iraqi doctors have previously said the women were brought to a private clinic following the ambush, and that Piestewa, a 23-year-old mother of two from Tuba City, Ariz., died half an hour later of severe head injuries.

Lynch and four other soldiers were rescued by U.S. special forces April 1, but 11 of their colleagues died during and after the ambush in Nasiriyeh.

Piestewa was the first U.S. female service member to die in the war.

The identities of Lynch and Piestewa were verified for NBC by Spec. Shoshana Johnson, one of the rescued soldiers.

"It was a little shocking to see Lori, but it also gave me a little peace to know that they tried, they did their best for her," Johnson, 30, of El Paso, Texas, told the network. "I mean, it was obvious they tried to bandage her up and give her medical care."

NBC told the Army it had obtained the tape before airing it so the families of the soldiers could be told first, according to MSNBC.com.

Defense Department spokesman Jim Turner said Tuesday night officials were aware of the Iraqi video, but had not seen it and did not have details about what it contained.

The United States repeatedly bombed Iraqi TV studios after they aired interviews with American prisoners of war. But this tape survived because an employee at the state network kept it at home, NBC reported.


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1 posted on 12/30/2003 6:28:05 PM PST by saquin
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To: saquin
"It was a little shocking to see Lori, but it also gave me a little peace to know
that they tried, they did their best for her," Johnson, 30, of El Paso,
Texas, told the network. "I mean, it was obvious they tried to bandage her up
and give her medical care."
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But this tape survived because an employee at the state network kept it at home, NBC reported.


Sounds like the Iraqi soldiers at least behaved decently. It would be interesting
to know if the Iraqi TV employee kept the tape safe wanting to be sure
it survived for the families of the captured Americans...
or maybe didn't want his station to air it?
2 posted on 12/30/2003 6:34:49 PM PST by VOA
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To: saquin
Nice of NBC to air this. I'm sure it will be copied and distributed with the 'hate America' kits all over the mideast next Ramadan.
4 posted on 12/30/2003 6:35:25 PM PST by IncPen ( "Saddam is in our hearts! Saddam is in our hearts!" "Saddam is in our jail!")
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To: saquin
I saw the footage. They were in bad shape and the Iraqi doc or official was trying to force them into position so they could film them for propaganda video. Pretty disgraceful stuff and it contradicts the Iraqis who said the POW weren't harmed. They apparently didn't air the tape like they did with the other POW tape because it didn't show the captors in a good light (not to mention the fact that it would have infuriated our troops).
5 posted on 12/30/2003 6:36:22 PM PST by Ex-Dem (>>>--------------->)
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To: seamole
have you seen it? the clip of Piestawa was hideous. She died a slow, cruel death from what I saw. I was looking for an earlier thread on this when I saw the tape this afternoon.
6 posted on 12/30/2003 6:39:34 PM PST by oceanview
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To: seamole
I saw it. It really pissed me off. The media and the liberals will never "get it". They dishonored a soldier by doing this...she paid the price for us... and now for the sake of ratings and Bush-bashing they will dig up old news.

They had to do this, because the war is not going as they had planned. WHAT'S WRONG NBC...NOT OF ENOUGH DEATH AND DESTRUCTION FOR YOU.
7 posted on 12/30/2003 6:40:45 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Ex-Dem
Not to mention it was a planned violation of the Geneva Conventions. I'm so glad that regime is at the top of history's dustbin.
8 posted on 12/30/2003 6:40:47 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: saquin
Maybe soon, we will be blessed to see beheadings and limb amputations.

The gifts of Islam and Allah are coming to your neighborhood soon.

Be sure to vote for the Muslim--or else.

(brought to you by the the descendants of the Mafia--no relation, of course).
10 posted on 12/30/2003 6:43:03 PM PST by jolie560
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To: oceanview
The Iraqi was grabbing her bandaged head and forcing her to lie in a certain position. They were both obviously in pain from the expressions on their face. There's no reason why NBC had to show that tape and put the families through that kind of pain again.
13 posted on 12/30/2003 6:44:01 PM PST by Ex-Dem (>>>--------------->)
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To: VOA
If Piestawa had a broken neck, moving her head around like that could have greatly aggravated her injuries or been the cause of her demise. And something tells me those women didn't get any CAT scans for internal and spinal injuries.
14 posted on 12/30/2003 6:46:43 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
"If Piestawa had a broken neck, moving her head around like that could have greatly
aggravated her injuries or been the cause of her demise. And something tells me
those women didn't get any CAT scans for internal and spinal injuries."

Yes, good points.
But, at least what was on the tape showed they weren't torturing the ladies
(at that point, of course...)
I suspect the level of medical knowledge for the average Iraqi grunt was probably
not quite what our guys in the field have.
17 posted on 12/30/2003 6:50:38 PM PST by VOA
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To: seamole; Cannoneer No. 4
I agree. We can't let this one go.

This is one for the ping list Cannoneer.
19 posted on 12/30/2003 6:51:52 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: saquin
Was this on the nightly news?
21 posted on 12/30/2003 6:57:18 PM PST by mystery-ak (Mike...Happy New Year!)
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To: mystery-ak
I didn't see the Nightly News but apparently it was. I'm watching the MSNBC News with Brian Williams (though he's not on tonight) now to see if I can catch it.
22 posted on 12/30/2003 7:06:05 PM PST by saquin
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To: seamole
I don't normally get in on the freeps but I feel that I need to get involved in this one. If there is any concentrated effort to contact anyone at NBC about this would you mind pinging me?
23 posted on 12/30/2003 7:16:27 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: saquin
In the last image of Jessica Lynch and Lori Piestewa, it looked like the "doctor" pulled Lori Piestewa by her hair! What horrible images...
24 posted on 12/30/2003 7:17:04 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Happy Iraqi Independence Day!!!!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
The people who were positioning them on the tape did not treat them with TLC.

No wonder why it was not shown!

25 posted on 12/30/2003 7:17:36 PM PST by TYVets ("An armed society is a polite society." - Robert A. Heinlien & me)
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To: seamole
I just watched the tape through this link and it is horrifying. To see the "doctor" grab Lori Piestewa by the hair to position her head, and to see the distress on her face...

My blood is boiling at this point.
26 posted on 12/30/2003 7:18:02 PM PST by liberallyconservative
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To: saquin
I do hope that Lori was not aware even though her facial movements appear that she was exhibiting pain. Comatose patient can grimace but not remember later if they awaken. I do hope with all my heart that she wasn't aware of how much her body was suffering.

I have never in my life seen a trauma patient treated with such disrespect. When I think of the care that I have given to trauma patient working as an OR nurse and an EMT the thing that sticks out the most about this film is the rough treatment of the cervical spine and her head. I have held manual cervical traction on patients with multiple skull fractures and it is much like trying to hold together a cracked egg. You have to maintain a head position very carefully in order not to cause further injury. This makes me want to puke.

27 posted on 12/30/2003 7:25:13 PM PST by armymarinemom (My Son Liberated the Honor Roll Students in Iraq)
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To: VOA
Yes, good points. But, at least what was on the tape showed they weren't torturing the ladies (at that point, of course...) I suspect the level of medical knowledge for the average Iraqi grunt was probably not quite what our guys in the field have.

I prefer your attitude. We embraced this mess by needing all these female soldiers because we don't have enough males who qualify.

28 posted on 12/30/2003 7:27:25 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: armymarinemom
See post #14. It makes you wonder if this reprehensible mistreatment may have greatly contributed to her death.
29 posted on 12/30/2003 7:28:04 PM PST by liberallyconservative
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To: liberallyconservative
Yeah, I don't understand the spin of the MSNBC story that the Iraqis "took good care" of them. Pulling the head of a dying woman by the hair (to the point of making her grimace in pain) to position her better for the propaganda cameras is not "good care" in my book.
30 posted on 12/30/2003 7:28:33 PM PST by saquin
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To: saquin
I just hope and pray that her family never sees this.

The spin on this story was unbelievable. First you have Shoshana Johnson saying it gave her a sense of relief that at least they were doing their best to treat her. Then the reporter, at the end of the tape, saying that it was not aired by Iraqi television because it didn't present her captors in a very good light. And then ultimately it IS aired here.

Not to disrespect Shoshana Johnson, but her take on this clip is the exact opposite of what most of us take away from viewing it.
31 posted on 12/30/2003 7:35:22 PM PST by liberallyconservative
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To: armymarinemom
BTTT!!
32 posted on 12/30/2003 7:36:14 PM PST by Lael (Bush to Middle Class: Send your kids to DIE in Iraq while I send your LIVELIHOODS to INDIA!)
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To: saquin
Try this link:

http://g.msn.com/0VD0/00/00?m=nn_engel_iraq_031230&csid=Msnbc

33 posted on 12/30/2003 7:38:12 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: liberallyconservative
See post #14. It makes you wonder if this reprehensible mistreatment may have greatly contributed to her death

I agree. The cervical spine injury is not the only problem. If a person has an occipital skull fracture any movement of the head can kill them instantly. Pulling their hair and driving their head into a pillow with a little bit of a shake as was shown with the obvious injuries that she had is much akin to violently shaking a baby.Those grimaces showed a deep pain response.

34 posted on 12/30/2003 7:38:17 PM PST by armymarinemom (My Son Liberated the Honor Roll Students in Iraq)
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To: VOA
now look in your hearts freepers and take account if you dissed POW LYnch as she did not receive the so called Iraqi doctor....all you who know it all ...what say you now
35 posted on 12/30/2003 7:41:34 PM PST by cars for sale
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To: VOA
Have you lost your mind?
Did you see the tape?
Did you see the expression of agony on Lori Piestewa's face when they jerked her head around?
Did you see Jessica Lynch in obvious shock?
You think this video shows they took care of them?

Have you lost your mind?
36 posted on 12/30/2003 7:52:01 PM PST by sarasmom (Message to the DOD : Very good , troops.Carry on. IN MY NAME)
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To: oceanview
I also recall seeing Piestawa's kicking up or bringing up her left knee/leg... it just seemed to me she was in agony and her leg may have been moving involuntarily from severe abdominal pain.

Just an impression, I'm not a doctor.

37 posted on 12/30/2003 7:52:34 PM PST by Xphantasos
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To: seamole
Thanks for posting the link. I don't generally watch news on tv. That was a despicable piece of videotape, btw. Look how they were yanking Lori Piestewa by her hair...
38 posted on 12/30/2003 7:55:17 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Happy Iraqi Independence Day!!!!)
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To: sarasmom
Have you lost your mind?


"It was a little shocking to see Lori, but it also gave me a little peace to
know that they tried, they did their best for her
," Johnson, 30, of El Paso,
Texas, told the network. "I mean, it was obvious they tried to bandage her up and
give her medical care."

I haven't seen the tape.
Once I have, I'll seen if I've gone as crazy along with Spec. Shoshana Johnson.
39 posted on 12/30/2003 7:57:58 PM PST by VOA
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To: neverdem; VOA
For the love of God, did you even see the tape?
What is wrong with you people?
You still have the unmitigated gall to cast aspersions on women who served their country in what they thought was a support position?
40 posted on 12/30/2003 7:59:45 PM PST by sarasmom (Message to the DOD : Very good , troops.Carry on. IN MY NAME)
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To: saquin
Iraqi docs obviously don't have a clue what they are doing. I've seen boy scouts do a far better job cleaning up and bandaging wounds. What I saw was an outrageous disgrace.
42 posted on 12/30/2003 8:11:08 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Kirkwood
By the way, I am a medical school professor and am in charge of emergency rescue services for Homeland Security for a major city. This so-called "care" was much, much worse than I expected to see.
43 posted on 12/30/2003 8:15:33 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; JustPiper; NYC GOP Chick; Pegita; TaxRelief; floriduh voter
Ping.
Heads up, and prayers needed.
Please pray for the family, friends and co-workers of Jessica Lynch and Lori Piestewa, and the remainder of the 507th.
NBC thought it appropriate to air video even the propoganda wing of Saddams Iraq and al Jaseera thought unfit for TV.
44 posted on 12/30/2003 8:16:07 PM PST by sarasmom (Message to the DOD : Very good , troops.Carry on. IN MY NAME)
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To: VOA
This is the abuse that we have been hearing about in Iraqi.
45 posted on 12/30/2003 8:20:53 PM PST by Michael Ray Thompson
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To: seamole
Thanks for giving the link; now I've had a chance to see it.

It's unpleasant stuff.
And the insufficient amount of care fits with what we've heard about the
pathetic infrastructure in Iraq...and why we see reports of US military
rebuilding lots of clinics and hospitals, as well as updating Iraqi medicos whose
medical knowledge is state of the art, circa 1970.

The hair-tug for propaganda film purposes...well at least we have some tape
of the guy who should get a trial at The Hague...but better yet might
get to talk to some US authorities.

As for some of the flames I've gotten...if anybody thinks I was casting an
ignoble aspersion on the soldiers in this incident...they are just
trying too dang hard to "read between the lines" on my posts...so hard that
they got 180 degrees off-course.

But, if they like to think I said nasty things about these troops...
that's their opinion...
46 posted on 12/30/2003 8:25:32 PM PST by VOA
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To: sarasmom
"NBC thought it appropriate to air video even the propoganda wing of Saddams Iraq and al Jaseera thought unfit for TV."

Gee and it is not even sweeps week. (/disgust)

I wonder how this squares with these people who think Sadaam's tonsil exam was degrading.
47 posted on 12/30/2003 8:26:27 PM PST by DeepDish (I no longer capitalize french or france, only things proper or significant are capitalized.)
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To: seamole
thanks for the link...Jessica was lucky she got out alive.....
48 posted on 12/30/2003 8:27:29 PM PST by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: sarasmom
For the love of God, did you even see the tape? What is wrong with you people? You still have the unmitigated gall to cast aspersions on women who served their country in what they thought was a support position?

I saw the tapes. I'm sorry if you didn't catch my point. I cast no aspersions and honor all veterans. I would not let women fight until the last battle when no more men can answer the call. Call me what you will.

Happy New Year!!!

49 posted on 12/30/2003 8:27:41 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Kirkwood
I am not a medical practitioner.
I recoiled from what I saw on that video.
I cant understand why NBC felt a need to broadcast it, and I dont understand how Shoshona Johnson could say she felt good about the medical care "they recieved" based on that clip.
I wonder if she actually saw it at all?
50 posted on 12/30/2003 8:28:29 PM PST by sarasmom (Message to the DOD : Very good , troops.Carry on. IN MY NAME)
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