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SSAF ^ | 1-2-04 | Nick Ashton

[BagCamAddict]

Tsk tsk tsk Doug... Loose lips sink ships. I'm surprised YOU would post something like that.

[NickinAM]

Not loose lips.... facts and the need to know as most of you don't think the threats are real!

There is nothing there that is related "hush, hush", and is common knowledge for intelligent people.

[doug from upland]

I posted something that is published.

[BagCamAddict]

Don't include me in the "most of you" generalization.

And "common knowledge for intelligent people" is an ignorant statement. Do you really think people like Richard Reid have "common knowledge" of things like this? What is "common knowledge" in America, or within Boeing Engineers, or at Wright-Pat, is NOT the same "common knowledge" that floats around in the caves of Afghanistan.

And I, for one, would like to keep it that way.

[BagCamAddict]

Published or not, it is now "published" over an even wider audience, thanks to your post. We don't know who lurks on this forum. And as I stated to NickinAM, what is common knowledge to one person may be new information to several thousand terrorists or terrorist wannabes.

[doug from upland]

The terrorists know how to use Google. Do you actually think they don't have this information?

[doug from upland]

These people are trained by those in cells who have learned from people with three decades of bomb making experience. You need to know this info. They already have it.

[onedoug]

But that's not what happened to TWA 800. Nah!

[BagCamAddict]

No, I realize SOME terrorists have this information. But I also KNOW that many do not, and as I said, terrorist wannabes don't have it either. And come on Doug, there are TONS of Freepers who don't even know how to use Google! So just because SOME terrorists already have this information is no reason to continue to broadcast it to the world.

The kids at Columbine didn't know how to make bombs until they read it in some published materials. Terrorist wannabes don't know airliner's vulnerabilities until they read it in some published material. Posting where to find that published material is doing them a favor. If you can't see that, I'm sorry, but it's true.

Surely you get angry every time you see a TV news story about how easy it is to get into secure areas at airports... it's the same thing. Some terrorists already know how to get into secure areas at airports, but showing the world what "some" terrorists already know isn't helping.

[Registered]

[NickinAM]

What planet are you on?

This is the information age! Look at how WE are communicating right now. In your case though it seems to go in one ear and out the other.

This is my business (anti-terrorism)and we work directly on these issues. It is important for all to be informed and certainly if folks don't know how to use GOOGLE as you suggest, they should be still using an ABBACUS!

Hope you know what one of those is!

[doug from upland]

I will respectfully disagree. Only when Americans realize how bad things are will changes be made.

[Gary Seven]

And your solution is...censorship? Bag Cam Addict is the one who knows what others should and should not be allowed to read? Most of the terrorist planners and organizers have been educated at American and British universities and may well have more formal education than you or I. There were dozens of them at the university I atteneded back in the late 60's early 70's, and they learned how and where to look things up just like I did. How are you going to hide published knowledge from them? And who are you to suggest it?

[jetson]

Any suspicious characters in the airport lines should be made to jumping jacks in a steel wall room.

[Redcloak]

OK, here is the way to take care of Airline security and benifit American farmers at the same time. Simply serve a pork chop to everyone standing in line to board the plane. If they eat it, they fly.

I've got a better idea: Re-upholster every airline seat with pig skin!

[NickinAM]

Sadly they would assume the normal Muslim position of sitting crosslegged on the floor and where would our Hebrew friends sit?

[BagCamAddict]

Good grief Gary. I never said anything about what others should or should not be allowed to read.

Where in my posts did I talk about censorship? I merely talked about being prudent with further publishing information that could be used against us in terrorist attacks. I don't know what is so God-awful about that concept.

[Redcloak]

Sadly they would assume the normal Muslim position of sitting crosslegged on the floor and where would our Hebrew friends sit?

No problemo! Anyone caught sitting on the floor is to be shot on sight by the sky marshalls. The dead jihadis' robes can then be used as lovely seat covers by devout Jewish travelers.

[Ciexyz]

Plane blowing up

Yikes!

[_Jim]

I quickly performed a cursory review of the document cited by DFU - there isn't much there of use to anyone possessing a 'Richard Reid' level IQ ... there are number of other factors that even the authors of that paper admit to not being considered in their study/numerical evaluation of effects on an aircraft as well, Additionally, they only went into some consideration of 'effects' in the cargo hold area.