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Egypt Airliner CRASHED in Egypt - A final update on root cause analysis? Technical Fault Blamed
Various | 1/3/2004 | ME

Posted on 01/03/2004 4:50:17 AM PST by Gorons

Egypt Plane Crash Kills 148; Technical Fault Blamed

By Ruben Sprich Reuters Saturday, January 3, 2004; 7:15 AM

SHARM EL-SHEIKH, Egypt (Reuters) - An Egyptian Boeing 737 airliner carrying 135 mostly French tourists crashed into the Red Sea off the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh on Saturday and a rescue team member said there were no survivors.

"The initial indications are that it was a technical fault, but that is only preliminary," Civil Aviation Ministry Secretary-General Hassan Abo Ghanima told Reuters. He had said earlier: "There is no sign of terrorism."

The plane, operated by the Egyptian company Flash Airlines, disappeared from radar screens minutes after take-off from Sharm el-Sheikh airport at 0244 GMT and crashed into deep water a few miles to the southeast, official sources said.

The pilots did not report any problem and the weather was normal with good visibility, official sources said. The plane was heading for Cairo to refuel, change crew and take on more passengers before flying on to Paris.

A French diplomat based in Egypt said there were 135 passengers aboard, all but one French, and 13 Egyptian and Moroccan crew members.

The crash coincided with intense U.S. concern about possible attacks involving civilian airliners, which has led to the cancellation of seven U.S.-bound flights in just over a week.

Egyptian military aircraft and ships, helped by small boats from nearby diving centers, launched a rescue operation at first light. Eyewitnesses said they were finding pieces of human bodies but no complete corpses and no survivors.

"We have half of a body here, half a body there. But we don't have any body in one piece," said a rescue worker, speaking by telephone from one of the boats.

"There's lots of personal stuff, small bags and toys. We have collected very small pieces of the plane but the body of the plane has sunk," said another rescue worker, who asked not to be named.

Yasser Imam, a spokesman for the local authorities, said: "What they have picked up so far is just fragments of bodies. The chances of finding complete bodies look slim because of the force with which the plane hit the surface of the water."

DEEP WATER

The plane crashed in the Strait of Tiran, between the Sinai peninsula and Saudi Arabia, where the water is hundreds of meters (feet) deep -- too deep for divers to reach the flight recording devices, diving school managers said.

French President Jacques Chirac telephoned his Egyptian counterpart Hosni Mubarak to obtain details of the crash and expressed his "deepest shock" at the tragedy, his office said.

Eyewitnesses in Sharm el-Sheikh said the rescue operation was concentrating on an area about half a mile off Naama Bay, the site of many large hotels.

An Egyptian armed forces C-130 transport plane and two helicopters were taking part in the search, witnesses said.

Flash Airlines is an Egyptian charter airline company based in Cairo and flying to European cities. It flew two Boeing 737-300 planes manufactured in 1993, according to its Web site.

The plane was maintained regularly in Norway and there was no sign of any mechanical fault before its last flight, the official Egyptian news agency MENA reported.

French Transport Minister Gilles de Robien went to Charles de Gaulle airport, where distraught friends and relatives of passengers on the flight were being told of the crash.

An eyewitness speaking on Egyptian television said people heard a loud noise at the time of the crash but he interpreted this as the sound of the plane hitting the water. "In the morning we were surprised by a kind of slapping noise in the sea, a very loud noise," said the unidentified witness.

Sharm el-Sheikh, a major diving resort, is considered one of the most secure places in Egypt because of its isolation and Mubarak's frequent presence. Police man checkpoints on the only paved roads into the resort and check travelers' identities.

The last major crash by an Egyptian plane took place in May 2002, when a Boeing 767 of the state airline EgyptAir crashed near Tunis airport, killing 15 people.

In October 1999, an EgyptAir Boeing 767 dived into the sea off Nantucket, Massachusetts, killing all 217 people on board.

On Christmas Day, a Beirut-bound Boeing 727 smashed into the Atlantic after take-off from Benin, killing 138 people.

© 2004 Reuters


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To: eno_
The passengers were all from France, which recently banned headscarves in schools, and is the object of huge protests in Moslem cities.

And at least four 737s have crashed, unexpectedly, due to rudder failure.

That is at least as plausible an explanation as accusations of terrorism.

102 posted on 01/03/2004 6:33:23 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Thinkin' Gal; _Jim
French anti-terrorism authorities in Paris said they did not expect to open an investigation, since the crash appears to be an accident.---

Looks like they are jumping to conclusions before the facts are in. That's okay, apparently, if one says, "nothing to see here just move along." Just don't think it *might* be terrorism, and you're alright.

Is that "jumping to confusion"?

103 posted on 01/03/2004 6:35:47 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: sinkspur; thesummerwind; eno_; seamole
To: onyx
Do we know any more about the dudes found in the wheel wells of the plane?? It sure says "someone has access to these planes that shouldn't have".

5 posted on 01/03/2004 5:02:35 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
Only that they're dead. I agree, they got access to the jets, and how, in the name of security did that happen?
Excellent observation.


6 posted on 01/03/2004 5:09:20 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)




What about a homicide bomber hidden in the wheel well? It is plausible. Not saying nor implying this happened with this downed aircraft.
104 posted on 01/03/2004 6:36:21 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Quilla
I heard the little dweeb say it!
105 posted on 01/03/2004 6:37:50 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: thesummerwind
Me too! He was speaking off the cuff and very fast, (in light of the horror of the day) almost with panic in his voice. And did you notice, Peter Jennings just sat there and didn't address it- never brought it up again.
106 posted on 01/03/2004 6:42:06 AM PST by Quilla
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To: eno_
Next we'll be hearing it was an "old engine," no... "wind shear," no... "bird strike," no... How about cheese? A moose, maybe?

It was probably the same as that out-of-control food cart that rolled down the ailse to the back of Flight 587 and destroyed the tailfin!

107 posted on 01/03/2004 6:42:52 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: onyx
I guess this one didn't get crushed during take off, and found a way to pull his cord to his bomb.
108 posted on 01/03/2004 6:44:10 AM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: sinkspur
Nope .........Jim Quinn, but not quite a "follower" as you sophomorically ask!
109 posted on 01/03/2004 6:44:30 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: onyx
Well, anything's possible, but I prefer the most likely theory, which is a foreign charter airline that's not in spec with Boeing's mandated repairs on the 737's rudder.
110 posted on 01/03/2004 6:45:30 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
99% of all conspiracy theories are illegitimate, as this one will also turn out to be.

OK, Arlen........ but what about that funky moon landing? ;)

111 posted on 01/03/2004 6:46:46 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: thesummerwind
Nope .........Jim Quinn, but not quite a "follower" as you sophomorically ask!

I didn't ask it sophomorically, I asked it intelligently.

You're the one running around with his hair on fire around here, as a Rivero follower is wont to do.

112 posted on 01/03/2004 6:47:16 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Gorons
Fox just reported that the pilot tried to turn back after noticing some malfunction. And the French are demanding a manslaughter inquiry into the disaster.
113 posted on 01/03/2004 6:48:34 AM PST by hershey
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To: seamole
Whoops... my bad. That was, of course, our vaunted NTSB setting up to cover up 9/11 while a coverup might still have been possible.
114 posted on 01/03/2004 6:49:23 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: weegee
<< It was Air China's first crash in nearly 50 years. >>

In nearly 50 days maybe.

CAAC/"Air China" has one of the world's worst accident records having suffered more than a dozen recent major "total hull loss" accidents and contributing hugely to making chinese air travel more than eight times more dangerous that the world's average.
115 posted on 01/03/2004 6:49:43 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: verity
Welcome to speculation central!

Yes, speculation! That's how folks stir up thought, questions and examination. Who was speculating years and years ago that the earth was round and not flat?

By the way, that's a great screen name.

116 posted on 01/03/2004 6:51:49 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: sinkspur
I agree with you, sink. I mention the two instances of a guy in the wheel well, to illustrate a breach in security. One was a Trans-Atlantic flight.
117 posted on 01/03/2004 6:52:34 AM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: thesummerwind
Given that the French tolerated banning air conditioners in a deathly hot Paris this year for the sake of artistic archtectural integrity, Thousands and thousands of elderly died due to the heat. Therefor, mon ami, I think they just won't care. A plane crash in Eygpt, that's not ala mode, no j'nais sais kwa.
118 posted on 01/03/2004 6:54:54 AM PST by bvw
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To: seamole
"If this is an accident, it is a needle in a haystack kind of accident".

That's a keeper quote!

119 posted on 01/03/2004 6:55:53 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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To: eno_
But hey, maybe it was the phantom "heavy fog."

People who immediately want to disregard terrorism and call all speculation "conspiracy thought" are serving no purpose toward truth and eventual knowledge. It goes on so much.

I swear, all the years I've lurked here, I have noticed the same number of folks that seem almost to react to a bell in their house, go to the computer and the thread, and start calling people "conspiracy nuts". It's not cool or helpful. This "terrorism age" is serious business, and I find possible coverups repulsive.

120 posted on 01/03/2004 7:01:31 AM PST by thesummerwind (Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes)
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