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Dean Narrowing Separation of Church and Stump; Invokes Muslim Phrases; Claims Biblical Knowledge
New York Times ^ | January 4, 2004 | JODI WILGOREN

Posted on 01/03/2004 6:23:24 PM PST by nwrep

STORM LAKE, Iowa, Jan. 3 — Little by little, the Lord is seeping into Howard Dean's presidential campaign.

In South Carolina the other day, an invocation preceded the political speeches, and David Mack, a state legislator, closed the rally with "God bless you and keep you." In Iowa last weekend, Dr. Dean referred to the New Testament. On Friday in New Hampshire, he invoked a Muslim phrase, "inshallah," God willing, to make a point about Americans believing they control their destiny.

"I'm still learning a lot about faith and the South and how important it is," Dr. Dean, the former governor of Vermont, said as he flew here, 150 miles northwest of Des Moines, Friday night on his chartered jet, predicting he would mention God more and more in the coming weeks. "It doesn't make me more religious or less religious than I was before, but it means that I'm willing to talk about it in different ways."

Dr. Dean recently told an audience in Iowa that he prayed daily. On the plane he declined to detail his prayer ritual but described how a 2002 trip to Israel deepened his understanding of the connections between Judaism and Christianity. He named Job as his favorite New Testament book, then later corrected himself, noting that it is in the Old Testament.

"I'm a New Englander, so I'm not used to wearing religion on my sleeve and being as open about it," he said. "I'm gradually getting more comfortable with talking about religion in ways that I did not talk about it before."

The changes come amid concern from several corners about the stridently secular tone of his campaign so far. In contrast to his Democratic opponents, who frequently discuss their faith in public, not to mention the born-again incumbent, President Bush, Dr. Dean said plainly in an interview a couple of months back: "I don't think that religion ought to be part of American policy."

A cover story in The New Republic last month, headlined "Howard Dean's religion problem," called him "one of the most secular candidates to run for president in modern history," and suggested this would "mark him as culturally alien to much of the country." A rash of columns followed with similar warnings, and voters have begun to inquire about the issue at town hall meetings.

"I'm pretty religious," he responded the other day in Waterloo, Iowa. "I pray every day, but I'm from New England, so I just keep it to myself.

"Don't you think Jerry Falwell reminds you a lot more of the Pharisees than he does of the teachings of Jesus?" he added. "And don't you think this campaign ought to be about evicting the money-changers from the temple?"

Dr. Dean grew up spending Sundays in an Episcopal church, and attended religious boarding school, but became a Congregationalist after the Episcopal church he belonged to in Burlington, Vt., refused to yield land for a bike path around Lake Champlain that he championed. His wife is Jewish and their children observe both traditions, though the family stopped attending services years ago after scolding sermons about once-a-year attendees.

The campaign has brought Dr. Dean back to the pews, clapping along with hymns in African-American churches from Harlem to San Francisco. At a Hanukkah party for his staff last month in Manchester, N.H., Dr. Dean proudly chanted the blessing over the candles in well-accented Hebrew and then repeated it for an Israeli television crew.

During the interview Friday night, Dr. Dean said he was moved during a tour of the Old City in Jerusalem when his guide pointed out half a house next to a stone wall that King Hezekiah had ordered built to defend against invaders. In a neighboring house, "you can sit on the third floor and you can pray, and you look out the window and you look down at the wall and the house and understand that 3,000 years ago people prayed the same prayers in the same language," Dr. Dean said. "Now that's an extraordinary thing that happens when you go to Israel."

Touring with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Dr. Dean also visited Galilee, where Jesus preached the Sermon on the Mount. "If you know much about the Bible — which I do — to see and be in a place where Christ was and understand the intimate history of what was going on 2,000 years ago is an exceptional experience," he said.

Asked his favorite New Testament book, Dr. Dean named Job, adding: "But I don't like the way it ends." "Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different," he said. "I think, if I'm not mistaken, there's one book where there's a more optimistic ending, which we believe was tacked on later."

Job, the Old Testament story of a righteous man who suffers hardships as a test of his faith, ends with the Lord restoring his fortunes and the protagonist living to be "an old man, and full of days." Some scholars have posited that the original ending may have been more dour.

An hour after his comments, Dr. Dean returned to the clutch of reporters, saying he realized he had misspoken because Job is not in the New Testament.

"Many people believe that the original version of Job is the version where there is not a change, Job ends up completely destitute and ruined," he said. "It's been a long time since I looked at this, but it's believed that was added much, much later. Many people believe that the original ending was about the power of God and the power of God was almighty and all knowing and it wasn't necessary that everybody was going to be redeemed."

Asked again about his favorite part of the New Testament, Dr. Dean said, "Anything in the Gospels."

His press secretary, Doug Thornell, telephoned late Friday night to say that Dr. Dean did not mean to imply he was some kind of expert.

"He obviously has read the Bible and knows the passages fairly well," Mr. Thornell said, "but just in terms of having a theologian's knowledge of the Bible, he doesn't want to pass on the impression that he does."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2004; britain; christianlist; dean; deanschristianity; electionpresident; howarddean; talk
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To: nwrep
Howard, your phony is ringing again....

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F
61 posted on 01/03/2004 7:13:00 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: nwrep
Dean is from a Congregationalist background, a liberal denomination that does not believe in ministerial authority or church hierarchy. Each Congregationalist believes he is in direct contact with God and is entitled to sort out truth for himself. Dean's wife is Jewish and his two children are being raised Jewish, which is strange at best, considering the two faiths take a distinctly different view of Jesus.
62 posted on 01/03/2004 7:13:24 PM PST by Between the Lines ("What Goes Into the Mind Comes Out in a Life")
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To: nwrep
Little by little, the Lord is seeping into Howard Dean's presidential campaign.

Hey Howie, you got it all backwards. You're supposed to start this sort of thing after the 'Rat convention.

63 posted on 01/03/2004 7:15:24 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Texas_Dawg
...Or maybe he's SO smart, he's blowing our minds before we can sort and understand the true meanings. Maybe he's a modern-day Nostradamus, speaking in quatrains... Or parrables... ;^)
64 posted on 01/03/2004 7:15:29 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness
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To: Texas_Dawg
Judging from everything's that come out of Dean's mouth, he certainly doesn't need any assistance.

...Oh, but it's so much fun to bat this boob around! One really has to wonder just what they're putting in the syrup that comes from Vermont's maple trees.

-Regards, T.
65 posted on 01/03/2004 7:15:50 PM PST by T Lady (Who Let the 'RATS Out?!!)
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To: Between the Lines
which is strange at best

Not really. As to the fundamental question of who Jesus was, they completely agree.

66 posted on 01/03/2004 7:16:23 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Go, Dean, Go.)
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To: nwrep
'"I'm pretty religious," he responded the other day in Waterloo, Iowa. "I pray every day, but I'm from New England, so I just keep it to myself."'

ROTFLMAO !!!
67 posted on 01/03/2004 7:17:27 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: nwrep
He's not one of us.
69 posted on 01/03/2004 7:18:19 PM PST by happygrl
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To: nwrep
I have to take my hat off to the NYT for asking that question about fav NT book.

And that Job wasn't in the NT wasn't caught for an hour, not until Dean did his characteristic retrograde operation, tells us that the Times Squarehead that asked the question is as much in the dark as Gov. Dean.

Of course, it is possible that the reporter was Jewish, so would have no reason, absent a true liberal-arts education, to know anything of the New Testament.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

70 posted on 01/03/2004 7:20:12 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: MeeknMing
This is all too way-ass funny.
71 posted on 01/03/2004 7:20:17 PM PST by txhurl (He IS a GOP plant, isn't he?)
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To: nwrep
So, Dean's family stopped going to church altogether after hearing a scolding sermon about "once a year churchgoers" ... stung by conviction, they walked away. Sad.

Sadder still, Dean invoked the phrase "Inshallah" for "God willing". Yo, Dean ... Allah is not God. That's not gonna endear you to Southerners.
72 posted on 01/03/2004 7:20:24 PM PST by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: T Lady
Judging from everything's that come out of Dean's mouth, he certainly doesn't need any assistance.

All through 2003 I figured the Democrats, hating GWB so much, would finally put an end to the Dean for President silliness and nominate someone who might at least come close to beating GWB. But here we are in 2004 and they are actually 1 month from beginning to truly nominate this guy. I cannot even believe it.

Jay Nordlinger made a great point in a column at NationalReview.com awhile back. He said that while he wants to see the Democrats defeated at all times, it is almost disturbing to see how much a party that does still represent a large percentage of America, is simply going insane at all levels. I really think this party might disband. I have no idea what would take its place, but this is just getting bizarre. Howard Dean will lose 45 states... at least.

73 posted on 01/03/2004 7:21:09 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Go, Dean, Go.)
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Asked again about his favorite part of the New Testament, Dr. Dean said, "Anything in the Gospels."

"Yep. All nineteen....uh seven......uh twelve......how many are there?"

My God, that man is a moron. I thought Gore was bad, but this makes OwlCorps look like Einstein or Hawking!

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

74 posted on 01/03/2004 7:21:13 PM PST by mhking (My brother and I had never seen The Belt........but we had heard about it....)
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To: nwrep
He named Job as his favorite New Testament book

Howard Dean figured he'd get the Union vote by mentioning the book of Jobs....

75 posted on 01/03/2004 7:21:21 PM PST by freebilly
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To: shanscom
I'm sure the Muslim phrases will go over wonderfully in Mississippi.

Hilarious. And Geaux Tigers as well. OU is going to get rocked... SEC style.

76 posted on 01/03/2004 7:22:09 PM PST by Texas_Dawg (Go, Dean, Go.)
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To: thulldud
"Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different,"

"Hello? 911, Could we get a Rubber Truck out at the Columbia Airport Howard Johnson's?"

Pray for W and The Truth

77 posted on 01/03/2004 7:22:33 PM PST by bray (The Wicked Witch of NY and Her 9 Flying Monkeys are Burning!)
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To: shanscom
LOL! I can hardly wait 'til he invokes "Inshallah, y'all!" at his first Vicksburg fundraiser.
78 posted on 01/03/2004 7:23:17 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness
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To: mhking
I think it is obvious what my favorite verse is.
79 posted on 01/03/2004 7:24:24 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: nwrep
"I'm gradually getting more comfortable with talking about religion in ways that I did not talk about it before."

yeah. amazing what a few weeks and some poll data can do for your willingness to be open.

80 posted on 01/03/2004 7:26:03 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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