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To: Sabertooth
We are caught between a rock and a hard place on this issue...imo

Many operators of large corporate farms and processing plants say they cant stay in business without guest workers/illegal aliens...around here-(Wi.) these same places seem to do just fine a few years go using local part time/seasonal workers..college and high school kids..(Lots of college kids worked in the canneries and food processing plants in Stevens Point, Wi area until it was filled with Mexicans...who are now causing real headaches for law enforcement in the area...)

So if the illegals have to stay...its really because they are more reliable and cheaper help...

They also don't complain about low wages (they are happy to get half of what the locals get in pay and benefits)
They live communally to save money to send home to Mexico
They show up ..work hard...and don't file workman's comp or unemployment claims..they don't sue if they get hurt or feel discriminated against..

As their numbers increase they are more visible in the local farming communities..many of the ones I see are acting more and more like gang members...they intimidate and threaten...(not long ago in Stevens Point some of these guest workers tried to break into Co-Ed housing and fired a gun shot though one of the girls windows- they were chased away by local cops..no one was arrested)...There seems to be an increasing amount of violent encounters between the Mexicans and the locals..with the police seeming to favor the Mexicans over the locals..as not many of them seem to get arrested charged or jailed..as locals

One of my 'favorite' guest workers in my area likes to wear a T-Shirt with the image of Che Guevara on it.....a mean looking young man with a perpetual frown...he brought his wife and several children with him this past year..one of many new faces in our area..they seem to be increasing exponentially...Wi has very liberal welafare..educational and medical services for illegals..we are already a real magnet for them..

According to Wi. crime reports...these same guest workers are also dealing and importing Mexican "red" Methamphetamine

Sabertooth's suggestions have merit...but not sealing the borders with troops is not prudent..

Unless the civilians have the power to arrest and detain...and cant be sued by pro immigrant or anti American groups like the ACLU or La Raza

The govt must also act to deport and prosecute such illegal aliens imo...of course to deport simply means they will be back in a few months showing up in other states...

One solution is biometrics..but much money will have to be put into scanners and other high tech expensive technology..of course the bonus is that these things can then be used on US citizens later on...as can troops in violation of Posse Commitatus..

Perhaps this was the plan from the git...

My native Texan bro-in-law owned a construction company in southeast Texas...he and I dont share the same views on immigration/invasion...back when he was running his company he swore that he could not make it without the use of 'cheap foreign labor'..and was very close to the ones he hired..

I worked with Mexicans on the railroad back in the early 70s and no one works harder or more efficiently..so I could see his point...

If these guest workers are perceived as taking jobs from Americans who cannot compete with them in their own country...(cant work as cheaply or without health benefits) I think there will be some real trouble around here...

As long as there is a surplus of jobs no one wants..then its a good deal to have them among us..

However once they obtain some sort of equal status...how will we get rid of them..if push comes to shove..The employers certainly wont..and the locals wont take too kindly to not getting work when foreigners receive aid from their taxes and have preference over them in hiring..

The truth is we have neglected to form a policy and stick to it...and now at least Pres Bush is trying to..perhaps with enough feedback from his constituency he will become a little more conservative in his policies..which for my money he needs be...

IMO

50 posted on 01/07/2004 9:45:06 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: joesnuffy
WELL STATED JOE!
67 posted on 01/07/2004 10:52:52 AM PST by DollyCali (2004: Opportunity for love, growth, giving, doing..... It is our choice.)
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To: joesnuffy
I have hade the misfortune to work with illegals.

When they are new to the U.S. they fear detection and deportation.
During that time they work very hard, head down, mouths shut, trying not to be noticed.

Once they realize that no real effort is being made to find and deport them they begin to live up to their sterotype of the lazy drunken Mexican. They become abusive, fail to clock out for lunch, show up drunk, engage in theft and drug dealing, etc.

When their numbers increase all the above gets exponentially worse!
134 posted on 01/07/2004 11:27:48 PM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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