What's Wrong With the Proposals for a New Guestworker Program?

fairus ^ | jan 04 | fairus

[Nanodik]

How do we "seal" 22,000 miles of border

See post 19. If it's good enough for the Korean peninsula, hell it's good enough for us!

[Kozak]

It is my understanding that if they aren't working, they have to go.

And you really think we will enforce this? We currently have people who enter the US on visitor, student or work visa's and violate the terms of the visa by overstaying or working. We don't deport them. We won't deport the guest workers either. By the way, when the "guest" workers have children here in the US, guess who is automatically a US citizen? How do you deport the "guest worker" then?

[Cultural Jihad]

Bend over and kiss "it" goodbye. We're about to lose our sovreignty. Our definition of state. Our language. Our culture and our uniquely American way of life. The rule of law is about to become meaningless. I never thought that I'd live to see the day when a Republican president would commit such a heinous act and surrender our borders to criminals and alien ideals. This is sickening to me.

LOL! I know you meant for it to be taken seriously and dramatic and all, but thanks for the chuckle all the same.

[Zipporah]

Consider the present cost: The Congress has quietly approved the most open-door policy in history, allowing up to l0,000 immigrants per day.
The number of illegal immigrants now in the United States is 8.7 million, and the INS is unable to deport them. U.S. services and benefits given to legal and illegal immigrants cost American taxpayers $68 billion per year - and that number is growing. Then basically the entire population would be mobilized..
Bilingual education doubles the cost of schooling aliens. In the Southwest, a new school per day would have to be built to keep up.
English as our language is under assault - with driver's licenses, voting ballots and citizenship ceremonies offered in dozens of languages.
American history and achievements are being replaced in schoolbooks with political correctness, self-criticism and America as "oppressor."
400,000 foreigners now collect Social Security benefits without ever working a single day in America. Immigrants get Medicaid twice as often as native citizens.
Immigration costs U.S.-born workers $133 billion per year in job losses.
On Sept. 11, legal and illegal Muslim immigrant terrorists killed 3,000 innocent Americans and destroyed tens of billions of dollars in property.
Over 25 percent of federal prisoners are immigrants. Illegals commit 12 percent of felonies, 25 percent of burglaries and 34 percent of car thefts.
Non-citizens collect $7 billion per year in welfare, including medical assistance, food stamps and housing - courtesy of U.S. taxpayers, whose representatives in the Congress allow this to happen.
Two-thirds of U.S. population growth is due to our immigration policy. American cities, parks, roads, schools, beaches, hospitals and water supplies are straining under increasing pressure for more and more freebies.

A bounty of even $100 paid to report illegals that would "result in the deportation" which would amount to a billion dollars which would be a bargain compared to what we are now paying in tax dollars and maybe American firms would have to begin to offer reasonable wages so Americans would be employed in those jobs that "Americans won't take"..

[Snoopers-868th]

The "they" in your statement to me means both Dims and Repubs. Dims are $breaking$ the worker and Repubs are breaking labor (wages) while wanting more money for the cause--but what is the cause?? I wonder why these countries that our corporations are rushing to don't demand their people be paid the same as the countries the corporations left. Then I would believe it was about people bettering themselves rather than power being the only benefactor in this economic struggle. Are we really fighting for jobs at McDonalds? My pea brain must not understand!!

[Thumper1960]

Which part was humorous?

[Thumper1960]

I'm beginning to wonder if there is a difference between Socialists and One Worlders.

[Snoopers-868th]

Wait until the "world tax" hits us!!

[oreolady]

Why doesn't EVERYONE just step back and take a breath.
Why does it make sense to just "write off" our president after only a few hours of this "suggestion", which is all it is.
In the days to come, there will be much intelligent and not-so-intelligent discussions of this issue, I'm sure we will all learn a lot.
We should be open to listen and learn before making a decision in 3 or 4 hours after.
Even the politicians most likely discuss and learn about an issue before making decisions, we can be at least as good as they or even more intelligent in our decisions.
There are so many things that will adapt or change this embryo.

[Celtman]

How do we "seal" 22,000 miles of border?

      22,000 miles?  The land border of the US is 12034 km (or 7478 miles), including the Alaska - Yukon border. Add a coastline of 19,924 km (or 12380 miles), and you get up to 19858 miles.  The Coast Guard does a decent job of patrolling the coasts already.  CIA World Factbook

Checkpoints every few miles on every highway?

      No.  Just 1 (one) per highway - at the border. 

[Celtman]

The author does not understand the proposal he is commenting on.

      And what part does he not understand?

[Zipporah]

Oh and in addition, I didn't address the cost of family reunification according the the CIA website re Mexico
Total fertility rate: 2.53 children born/woman (2003 est.)

.. consider that a spouse would come to the US in addition to those 2.53 children... consider multiplying 10,000 times (the numbers of illegals admitted to) those children & spouse.

[Ramius]

So maybe I'm off by a little. Whatever.

I was in the USCG for a time... we estimated that we caught about 2% of the illegal traffic into the country. Maybe that's good enough to "seal" those borders. All we need is to be 50 times more effective.

The entire USCG is still smaller than the NYPD.

Some illegals will *always* get past the border. The only way to catch them is to put checkpoints in place all over the country.

[Zipporah]

."our nation is a nation of immigrants".. name one country that is a nation of immigrants.

[Ramius]

I wish you were right. Really, I do.

I only wish we had the workforce here in the U.S. lining up for those jobs picking lettuce, at any wage. That would solve any unemployment problem now and forever.

But it seems that people just don't wanna pay five bucks a head for lettuce or whatever it would cost once the unions got their fingers in it. Is... a puzzlement.

[Zipporah]

..sorry I meant to ask: "name one country that is not a country of immigrants...

[Snoopers-868th]

Yawn! A "country of immigrants" is not the point. "Controlled immigration" is.

[Cultural Jihad]

Which part was humorous?

All of it.

[Salgak]

How ?

Landmines and a 20 foot high Concrete Wall on the southern border. . .

[Pelham]

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