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Bush Immigration Plan a Bad Idea (David Limbaugh)
Towhall ^ | 1/9/04 | David Limbaugh

Posted on 01/09/2004 1:27:36 AM PST by Elkiejg

I am against President Bush's newly announced plan to revise America's immigration system, but what's worse is that I don't think I even understand his motivations behind it -- either on substance or politically.

Under the proposal, the government would confer legal status (an initial three-year work permit) on millions of illegal immigrants living in this country who can show they are employed or on those currently living in their home countries if they have received offers of employment here.

Mr. Bush says that "common sense and fairness" require that we allow illegals to fill jobs that Americans are not filling. But just because the plan might make sense economically doesn't mean it makes "common sense," especially when there are strong non-economic reasons not to do it, which there are.

And why are we even talking about fairness in the same breath with illegal aliens? Do we owe them a duty of fairness? Does fairness mean we should not only look the other way at their criminal violations but reward them? How is that fair, by the way, to those who obey the law and to our system itself?

Bush says, "We should have immigration laws that work and make us proud." Our current laws, he says, "force employers to turn to the illegal labor market." But, since we make such a pathetic effort at enforcing our laws, how do we know whether they could work?

I also don't believe that our laws are "forcing" employers to turn to illegals. That's like saying laws against stealing are creating more thieves. Either we think it's good policy to limit immigration or we don't, but let's not attempt to whitewash misbehavior simply by changing the law. That, my friends, is a cop-out.

Bush argues that his proposal would strengthen America's borders. I fail to see the logic in this either. Are we going to have any less of a problem with illegal entry into this country merely because we grant legal status to millions of people, even if we are thereby better able to track them?

The president says that his plan is compassionate because it would guarantee the rights and legitimacy of illegal workers. I think there are wiser and more compelling needs worthy of our compassion. We shouldn't undermine the rule of law in the name of compassion.

The administration denies that this plan is tied to the green card process, yet the plan calls for the issuance of more green cards and would allow illegals to apply for those cards, whereas before they would have made themselves subject to deportation had they applied.

Some say the president's plan is designed to court the Hispanic vote. That certainly seems to be the case, but it's hard to imagine that one as savvy as Karl Rove would calculate that the marginal gains there could offset the major alienation of the conservative base as well as mainstream America, which seems to be largely unsympathetic to illegal aliens.

Others speculate that Bush is doing this to re-establish himself as a compassionate conservative at a time when voters are increasingly turned off by the stridency of political debate. How quickly we forget that Republicans don't easily win points for so-called compassion, whether by throwing untold billions of federal dollars at education or increasing domestic spending elsewhere.

Others have suggested Bush is correct that Republicans can't afford to be viewed as a party hostile to immigrants or immigration as we enter this new century with its ever-changing demographics. True, Republicans can do without a xenophobic or nativist image, but I don't understand how opposing illegal immigration is tantamount to being against foreigners any more than opposing affirmative action makes one a racist. Republicans should stick to principle and leave the pandering to the Democrats.

The fact that even Bush's supporters aren't sure why he's doing this or how he can justify it is all the proof we need that it is wrongheaded. It's a muddled plan, with dubious goals and inevitably negative consequences -- which doesn't bode well for the president's image as a decisive leader with moral clarity.

Beyond undermining the rule of law, this plan devalues the uniqueness of American citizenship by trivializing the laws aimed at making it selective and a special privilege. It sends a message that illegal immigration is a trifling matter.

President Bush, whom I deeply admire on many levels, has stretched the patience of conservatives too far on this one. He should reconsider.


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Some uneducated and at times politically incorrect thoughts:

1. Our INS and law enforcement can't keep up with legal much less illegal immigration now, how will they ever handle 8 to 10 million more?

2. If this plan is being presented as an effort to gain Hispanic votes, how does that compare to the loss of conservative votes?

3. The claim that parts of our economy would suffer without the low-paid workers - i.e., hotel, construction, restaurants, etc. - is questionable. Why not put the thugs/bums hanging out on street corners collecting welfare checks to work? (I warned you!)

4. And most important - how can President Bush guarantee terrorists will not use this additional weakness in our system to enter our country and kill more Americans?

1 posted on 01/09/2004 1:27:37 AM PST by Elkiejg
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2 posted on 01/09/2004 1:29:08 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Happy New Year)
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To: Elkiejg
Bush says, "We should have immigration laws that work and make us proud." Our current laws, he says, "force employers to turn to the illegal labor market."

The laws of the market would say that employers would have to increase pay and benefits until the labor demand is met. Instead, they are moving outside the law and hiring illegals to warp the market.

At least one Limbaugh is thinking with a independetn mind. His brother has been a kneejerk flunkie.

3 posted on 01/09/2004 1:42:59 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: KC_Conspirator
bttt
4 posted on 01/09/2004 1:52:33 AM PST by SerpentDove (The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Wonder how quickly employers would use illegal workers if employers were fined $500,000 with 5 years in jail????
5 posted on 01/09/2004 1:59:02 AM PST by Elkiejg (Clintons and Democrats have ruined America)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Also, how do millions of illegals working here, paying taxes, paying into SS while sending most of their $$ back to their family in their native country help this economy? This is assuming they really are working and not collecting illegal welfare checks!!
6 posted on 01/09/2004 2:01:11 AM PST by Elkiejg (Clintons and Democrats have ruined America)
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To: Elkiejg
"Wonder how quickly employers would use illegal workers if employers were fined $500,000 with 5 years in jail????"



To me that is just one of the biggest current problems. Get the businesses to stop hiring illegals and a big part of the problem goes away.But around here it is just the status quo of wink and a handshake. Once you fix this problem then you are left with those that are feeding at the Welfare Trough or doing odd jobs for individuals. Get Mexico on board to actually issue Worker Visas and the Illegal Alien problem should go down to a small manageable number.

Its to expensive and a waste of resources to go after the individual illegal. You got to go after the reasons that they choose to go through our bathroom window, instead of our front door.
7 posted on 01/09/2004 3:17:35 AM PST by neb52
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To: Elkiejg
4. And most important - how can President Bush guarantee terrorists will not use this additional weakness in our system to enter our country and kill more Americans?

Not that I agree with your other points, but I pull this one out because you list it as "most important"...

I don't understand how Bush's immigration plan is going to make any difference to terrorists that want to come into this country. How will it aid them? Why would they want to appear before some official and fill out a form identifying who they are as well as possibly revealing their native land as soon as they speak? Why wouldn't they continue to enter this country as they already have... illegally, unemployed and inconspicuous? Wouldn't signing folks up help to decrease the pool of those whose identities are unknown and require manpower to seek out and identify?

8 posted on 01/09/2004 3:32:47 AM PST by hotpotato
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To: Elkiejg
Those who do not learn from the mistakes in history, are doomed to repeat them. The apple does not fall far from the tree. Not all platitudes are trite.

It is hard to imagine that a member of the Bush family could alienate the conservative base.
9 posted on 01/09/2004 3:43:56 AM PST by David Isaac
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To: Elkiejg
bttt
10 posted on 01/09/2004 3:46:30 AM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Elkiejg
The fact that even Bush's supporters aren't sure why he's doing this or how he can justify it is all the proof we need that it is wrongheaded. It's a muddled plan, with dubious goals and inevitably negative consequences -- which doesn't bode well for the president's image as a decisive leader with moral clarity.

This bugs me about Bush. A man that we all hold up as a foil to the moral and ethical wasteland of the past, comes along and offers an indefensible vision of the future. David's central question here is the motivation behind it. That's precisely why it bugs so many of us too. Even if it's purely political, (as Rush theorizes) it doesn't make sense by the numbers. It surely doesn't make economic sense, and it's cultural suicide-- not for racial reasons, for job market reasons and 'rule of law' reasons.

Lots of conservatives are sitting up and taking notice now, but when we look for alternatives in November, will we find a friend?

11 posted on 01/09/2004 4:20:32 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You got an extra Communist Manifesto? I'm like totally out of toilet paper.)
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12 posted on 01/09/2004 4:22:49 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You got an extra copy of NAFTA? I'm like totally out of toilet paper.)
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To: David Isaac
Yup.

Sorry but the Pres. just lost my vote on this one!
13 posted on 01/09/2004 6:04:04 AM PST by Bulldog1967 (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Elkiejg; AbsoluteJustice
bump for your information and for me to review later
14 posted on 01/09/2004 6:11:08 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: neb52
Excellent points.
15 posted on 01/09/2004 6:36:46 AM PST by FITZ
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To: hotpotato
I don't understand how Bush's immigration plan is going to make any difference to terrorists that want to come into this country.

It might make a difference --- there will be 8 million --- likely many more --- "blue cards" which can be sold on the streets, stolen, forced. That already goes on the the green cards --- if you want over the border, all you need to do is obtain someone else's documents.

16 posted on 01/09/2004 6:39:43 AM PST by FITZ
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17 posted on 01/09/2004 6:51:34 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (You know how those liberals are. Two's Company but three is a fundraiser.)
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To: FITZ
But why should they enter using a different method than they already have and false documents are already available? I just don't get it. It makes no sense to me. They get their false documents overseas.
18 posted on 01/09/2004 7:04:27 AM PST by hotpotato
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To: Elkiejg
So, to me, the problem is that few believe that a plan like this would be enforced. Rush's last caller yesterday convinced me that mass deportation is no answer -- the sob stories in the media would be relentless.

I believe there are two components to a real solution to this problem:

1) True border security that cuts off the uncontrolled influx of indocumentados.

2) True enforcement of employment law so that under-the-table payment, sub-minimum wage jobs, and fake social security scams are curtailed. This MUST be backed up with fines and imprisonment.

Then you could say that the playing field was level. One other thing -- if we have 12-15 million illegal aliens and only 5.7% unemployment, then I can see the presidents point. Frictional unemployment is 2-4%, so even 6%+ is not exactly high unemployment, democrat shrieking notwithstanding.
19 posted on 01/09/2004 7:13:08 AM PST by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of AMERICAN anger.)
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To: Elkiejg
OK, all you Freepers out there. All together now:

DAVID LIMBAUGH IS A DU-ER!!!

20 posted on 01/09/2004 7:16:08 AM PST by kevao
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