Vile, Vile Pedophile Is child molesting a sickness or a crime?

slate ^ | 1-8-2004 | Dahlia Lithwick

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[Paleo Conservative]

I don't care which. Michael Jackson should be executed.

[LandofLincoln]

It is a crime when it is committed, but suddenly becomes a sickness when the perp is caught.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

But if it is a genetically over-determined impulse, an uncontrollable urge nestled in our DNA, then punishing pedophiles must be morally wrong.

IF is a pretty big word. Where in the DNA did they find this?

[Always Right]

Or it could be a genetic disorder that we must tolerate and even promote as we become a more enlightened society....

[tessalu]

Ir is a crime! We have people now running around the USA, saying that they just cannot help it! We can not stand any more of these perverts.

[DoughtyOne]

It's a sickness and a crime IMO. And this problem is going mainstream with more adults willing to go on the record advocating for Michael Jacka-- and adult relations with children.

Once you start allowing for alternative lifestyles, and pushing the moral relativism dogma, you're already on the slippery sloap.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

Hey, where is your little Lincoln guy? I just love that guy.

[stands2reason]

The danger of the "treatment" model is the danger posed to a society that has sedated and medicated an entire population into a law-abiding stupor.

Well if that "entire poplulation" consists of 100% pedophiles, then I have no problem with that.

[Dan from Michigan]

This impluse and voice in my head was telling me to deck the union goon that threatened me last year. Fist, don't hit.....
Well, I didn't deck him, which was a smart decision with the cops nearby.

People made decision. 'Impulses' may suggest a decision, but God gave all of us free will, and no body forced Jacko(if he's guily) to do the things he's accused of. If he gave into his impulse, that was his choice, and the consequences should have him at least get life in Folsom as far as I'm concerned.

[Tuscaloosa Goldfinch]

It's a crime.

[Prime Choice]

Is child molesting a sickness or a crime?

It's both...which is why it's so appealing to the Leftists who will ultimately champion it as an "alternative lifestyle."

Next will be the Liberals insisting that pedophiles should be able to marry their vict--...er..."lovers".

Excuse me, but I need to go...*HWAAAAAARHHHH!!*...dammit, didn't make it. Anyone got a Rug Doctor?

[Coeur de Lion]

Yeah, well alcoholism is considered to be a sickness with an equal claim to any possible genetic predisposition. As a society we expect alcoholics to get recovery, and I don't believe anyone believes it's immoral to punish them for drunk driving or to expect them not to show up at work sober!

[Pan_Yans Wife]

My point is I don't believe it has ever been linked to DNA. The writer doesn't say.

[Hardastarboard]

Dahlia Lithwick, beginning to make the case for legalizing pedophilia. Someone else said it first, that once we allow gay marriage, this will be next.

The problem with pedophiles is that it is incurable with our current state of knowledge. So, we have to lock them up to keep them away from innocent children. We don't have to know whether or not they have free will or are just "born that way". It doesn't have to be a value judgement. It's just a recognition of the reality that we have to keep them away from children.

Nobody seriously hates grizzly bears, yet you sure don't want one around your four year old. Unless he's really irritable and carrying an M1 Garand re-chambered to .458 Weatherby.

[Palladin]

What We Must Do ... To Protect Our Children
A CALL TO ACTION BY ANDREW VACHSS

The Difference Between "Sick" and "Evil"

By Andrew Vachss
Originally published in Parade, July 14, 2002

The shock waves caused by the recent exposures of so-called "pedophile priests" have reverberated throughout America. But beneath our anger and revulsion, a fundamental question pulsates: Are those who abuse their positions of trust to prey upon children—a category certainly not limited to those in religious orders—sick ... or are they evil?

We need the answer to that fundamental question. Because, without the truth, we cannot act. And until we act, nothing will change.

My job is protecting children. It has taken me from big cities to rural outposts, from ghettos to penthouses, and from courtrooms to genocidal battlefields. But whatever the venue, the truth remains constant: Some humans intentionally hurt children. They commit unspeakable acts—for their pleasure, their profit, or both.


The crimes are so unspeakable, many believe that those who commit them must be mentally ill. But that very natural reaction is what prevents us from seeing the truth.
Many people who hear of my cases against humans who rape, torture, and package children for sale or rent immediately respond with, "That's sick!" Crimes against children seem so grotesquely abnormal that the most obvious explanation is that the perpetrator must be mentally ill—helpless in the grip of a force beyond his or her control.

But that very natural reaction has, inadvertently, created a special category of "blameless predator." That confusion of "sick" with "sickening" is the single greatest barrier to our primary biological and ethical mandate: the protection of our children.

The difference between sick and evil cannot be dismissed with facile eye-of-the-beholder rhetoric. There are specific criteria we can employ to give us the answers in every case, every time.

Some of those answers are self-evident and beyond dispute: A mother who puts her baby in the oven because she hears voices commanding her to bake the devil out of the child's spirit is sick; and a mother who sells or rents her baby to child pornographers is evil. But most cases of child sexual abuse—especially those whose "nonviolent" perpetrators come from within the child's circle of trust—seem, on their surface, to be far more complex.

That complexity is an illusion. The truth is as simple as it is terrifying:

Sickness is a condition.

Evil is a behavior.

Evil is always a matter of choice. Evil is not thought; it is conduct. And that conduct is always volitional.

And just as evil is always a choice, sickness is always the absence of choice. Sickness happens. Evil is inflicted.

Until we perceive the difference clearly, we will continue to give aid and comfort to our most pernicious enemies. We, as a society, decide whether something is sick or evil. Either decision confers an obligation upon us. Sickness should be treated. Evil must be fought.


If a person has desires or fantasies about sexually exploiting children, that individual may be sick. (Indeed, if such desires are disturbing, as opposed to gratifying, to the individual, there may even be a "cure.") But if the individual chooses to act upon those feelings, that conduct is evil. People are not what they think; they are what they do.

Our society distrusts the term "evil." It has an almost biblical ring to it—something we believe in (or not), but never actually understand. We prefer scientific-sounding terms, such as "sociopath." But sociopathy is not a mental condition; it is a specific cluster of behaviors. The diagnosis is only made from actual criminal conduct.

No reputable psychiatrist claims to be able to cure a sociopath—or, for that matter, a predatory pedophile. Even the most optimistic professionals do not aim to change such a person's thoughts and feelings. What they hope is that the predator can learn self-control, leading to a change in behavior.

Such hopes ignore the inescapable fact that the overwhelming majority of those who prey upon children don't want to change their behavior—they want only to minimize the consequences of being caught at it.

In the animal kingdom, there is a food chain—predators and prey. But among humans, there is no such natural order. Among our species, predators select themselves for that role.

Psychology has given us many insights of great value. But it has also clouded our vision with euphemisms. To say a person suffers from the "disease" of pedophilia is to absolve the predator of responsibility for his behavior.

Imagine if an attorney, defending someone accused of committing a dozen holdups, told the jury his poor client was suffering from "armed-robberia." That jury would decide that the only crazy person in the courtroom was the lawyer.

When a perpetrator claims to be sick, the timing of that claim is critical to discovering the truth. Predatory pedophiles carefully insinuate themselves into positions of trust. They select their prey and approach cautiously. Gradually, sometimes over a period of years, they gain greater control over their victims. Eventually, they leave dozens of permanently damaged children in their wake.

But only when they are caught do predatory pedophiles declare themselves to be sick. And the higher the victim count, the sicker (and, therefore less responsible), they claim to be.

In too many cases, a veil of secrecy and protection then descends. The predator's own organization appoints itself judge and jury. The perpetrator is deemed sick, and sent off for in-house "treatment." The truth is never made public. And when some secret tribunal decides a cure has been achieved, the perpetrator's rights and privileges are restored, and he or she is given a new assignment.

In fact, such privileged predators actually are assisted. They enter new communities with the blessing of their own organization, their history and propensities kept secret. As a direct result, unsuspecting parents entrust their children to them. Inevitably, the predator eventually resumes his or her conduct and preys upon children again. And when that conduct comes to light, the claim of "sickness" re-emerges as well.

Too often, our society contorts itself to excuse such predators. We are so eager to call those who sexually abuse children "sick," so quick to understand their demons. Why? Because sickness not only offers the possibility of finding a cure but also assures us that the predator didn't really mean it. After all, it is human nature to try to understand inhuman conduct.

Conversely, the concept of evil terrifies us. The idea that some humans choose to prey upon our children is frightening, and their demonstrated skill at camouflage only heightens this fear.

For some, the question, "Does evil exist?" is philosophical. But for those who have confronted or been victimized by predatory pedophiles, there is no question at all. We are what we do.
We may be powerless to change the arrogance of those who believe they alone should have the power to decide whether predatory pedophiles are "sick," or when they are "cured." But, as with the perpetrators themselves, we do have the power to change their behavior.

In every state, laws designate certain professions that regularly come into contact with children—such as teachers, doctors, social workers, and day-care employees—as "mandated reporters." Such personnel are required to report reasonable suspicion of child abuse when it comes to their attention. Failure to do so is a crime.

[cwb]

Exactly. There are many of us who would love to do something, but don't because it is just plain wrong. Impulse control is the main attribute that separates us from the animals...and generally speaking, liberals don't have any impulse control. More than anything, it is selfishness born from the ME generation of the 60's. If it's a disease, it's pure selfishness in the pursuit of pleasure.

[Vigilanteman]

So since the founder of Islam was a pedphile, does that make Islamism a disease to be treated or a crime?

[Cindy]

PEDOPHILIA IS A CRIMINAL ACT AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT IS A SIN.