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How to Lose Your Yob in Talk Radio (FR mentioned)
The American Conservative Magazine ^ | Jan 12, 2004 | Charles Goyette

Posted on 01/12/2004 9:49:33 AM PST by narby

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What Goyette doesn't comprehend is that Radio is a business. I stopped listening to the guy a long time ago, and obviously many others did to.

I contacted the station, which is a rare thing for me to do, to vociferiously protest Goyette's stupid positions about the anti-terrorist actions the US was taking.

The biggest problem I've got with anti-war folks like Goyette is they treat it like it was just another domestic political position. Something you can endlessly argue about.

But war is different. Once committed to war (and the use of force WAS authorized by Congress - so no BS about the Congress not "declaring" war), any decent citizen should support the war 100%, or leave the country.

The effect on the families of service members killed ought to be enough to prevent these people from turning War into a political football.

But even more important, the effect on the enemey to encurage his continued resistance, and encuraging the enemey to believe that internal US politics could "win" the war for him, as it did for Vietnam, should make the actions of a radio guy like Goyette, treason.

1 posted on 01/12/2004 9:49:33 AM PST by narby
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2 posted on 01/12/2004 9:51:31 AM PST by Support Free Republic (If Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened!)
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To: narby
Enemey = Enemy
3 posted on 01/12/2004 9:53:08 AM PST by narby (McGovern lost in 72 - and launched the left's takover of the Dem party)
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To: narby
YOB
4 posted on 01/12/2004 9:53:48 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Death before dhimmi.)
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To: narby
Related posting - How To Lose Your Job in Talk Radio
5 posted on 01/12/2004 9:54:49 AM PST by CoolGuyVic
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To: narby
Comparing an era where wars were fought exclusively by nation-states, using military formations, with our current dilemma is less than useful. Enough nerve gas to kill everyone in Times Square might fit in one barrel. 9/11 killed thousands and did billions of dollars in damage without using any military equipment at all.
6 posted on 01/12/2004 9:56:04 AM PST by Dilbert56
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To: narby
I have to admit I've not been listening to the Goyette for quite a while. He's a bilge for every Phoenix conspiracy to come down the pike.

I emailed the chickboss and asked her to put Tony Snow on in his place.

7 posted on 01/12/2004 9:56:27 AM PST by Cyber Liberty ( 2003, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: CoolGuyVic
I did a search. Promise!

I searched on "lose your job", and looked for the recent postings and this didn't show up.

Maybe I didn't go back far enough?

Anyway, it's a topic this AM on KFYI

8 posted on 01/12/2004 9:56:53 AM PST by narby (McGovern lost in 72 - and launched the left's takover of the Dem party)
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To: Dilbert56
Comparing an era where wars were fought exclusively by nation-states, using military formations, with our current dilemma is less than useful. Enough nerve gas to kill everyone in Times Square might fit in one barrel. 9/11 killed thousands and did billions of dollars in damage without using any military equipment at all.

The actions on 9/11 were taken by people who were supported by nation-states. Afghanistan specifically. And Iraq as well (training sites, and money to terrorist organizations).

I agree with the Bush doctrine of treating nation-states that support terrorists, as terrorists themselves. That's the only long term solution we have, and it seems to be working.

9 posted on 01/12/2004 10:00:19 AM PST by narby (McGovern lost in 72 - and launched the left's takover of the Dem party)
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To: narby; Luke FReeman; oldglory; gonzo
You may want to send him this quote:

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." -- U.S.General Tommy Franks (Central Command Iraq)

Hahahaha

10 posted on 01/12/2004 10:05:37 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: narby
Not a big deal. The other posts are a couple days old. Posts are pulled, it seems, only when they are stacked on top of each other or within a few hours of each other.
11 posted on 01/12/2004 10:05:54 AM PST by Burkeman1 ("If you see ten troubles comin down the road, nine will run into the ditch before they reach you")
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To: narby
I just wanted to link to the other one so people could see the other responses. The search seems to go wonky on me at times too.

That being said, I'm one of those loathed "anti-Iraqi war conservatives", but this guy sounds like a big baby.

12 posted on 01/12/2004 10:07:15 AM PST by CoolGuyVic
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To: CoolGuyVic
I am one as well. But he doesn't mention what is most important. His ratings. If he had good ratings he would have an argument. But if they were slipping then he doesn't have a leg to stand on.
13 posted on 01/12/2004 10:11:05 AM PST by Burkeman1 ("If you see ten troubles comin down the road, nine will run into the ditch before they reach you")
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To: CoolGuyVic
That being said, I'm one of those loathed "anti-Iraqi war conservatives",

The problem is, had your position won the domestic political battle after troops were engaged, then the US loses the war. Soldiers who died, did so in vain. Not because of a victorious enemy, but because of politics.

Once the balloon goes up, I think it's treason to act politically against the war.

Before the balloon goes up, fine. But not after.

14 posted on 01/12/2004 10:15:08 AM PST by narby (McGovern lost in 72 - and launched the left's takover of the Dem party)
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15 posted on 01/12/2004 10:16:07 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
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To: narby
It is just me, or does this guy come across as truly in love with himself? He seriously should consult a Psychiatrist.
16 posted on 01/12/2004 10:18:43 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: narby
How to Lose Your Yob...

Yumpin' yiminy! Yust hold on a minute here.

18 posted on 01/12/2004 10:21:10 AM PST by Prime Choice (Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
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To: Matchett-PI; Poohbah
General Franks ought to be careful, Representative Doug Ose does not like that sort of language!
19 posted on 01/12/2004 10:21:20 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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20 posted on 01/12/2004 10:22:20 AM PST by deport (..... DONATE TO FREEREPUBLIC......)
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To: narby
Her's a quarter Mr. Goyette call someone in the sour grapes dept. who cares(Paul O'Neil).
21 posted on 01/12/2004 10:24:10 AM PST by Dane
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To: narby
"Once the balloon goes up, I think it's treason to act politically against the war."

That wouldn't fly if Clinton were the CinC, and it won't fly now. Otherwise, the President could deploy troops anywhere, anytime and it would be our patriotic duty to support it.

The real mistake is to continue to let our men and women die for no good reason.

22 posted on 01/12/2004 10:25:00 AM PST by CoolGuyVic
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To: narby
DID YOU EVER THINK YOU LOST YOUR YOB BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SPIKE THE SWEDISH ACCENT?!?!??
23 posted on 01/12/2004 10:25:41 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Dane
Cut and paste the same goofy comment on every thread.

Post it to the "who cares" thread.

24 posted on 01/12/2004 10:27:54 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: narby
Sounds like the author is factually challenged.
25 posted on 01/12/2004 10:27:54 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Baynative
"I've always said that the protests to our effort in Iraq are a clear example of leftist insincerities."

This thread isn't about leftists or their insincerity.

Most leftists/liberals are insincere, but this is about principled, conservative dissent.

26 posted on 01/12/2004 10:28:49 AM PST by CoolGuyVic
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To: narby
Agree 100%. The point I was clumsily trying to make is that the way wars were fought in WWII left little room for doubt as to who the aggressor was. Also, the use of military power was rather visible. Terrorism's shadowy world is different. You may not know who did something. The price of waiting until something happens has increased with bio/nuclear weapons. The targets are not confined to military installations. So, to me, the author's comparisons to Pearl Harbor & France are bogus.
27 posted on 01/12/2004 10:34:25 AM PST by Dilbert56
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To: Protagoras
Cut and paste the same goofy comment on every thread

Nope, it just happened that there were two sour grapes "real conservative" threads going on.

28 posted on 01/12/2004 10:36:55 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
If they were threads for real conservatives, why were you there?
29 posted on 01/12/2004 10:40:18 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: CoolGuyVic
Most leftists/liberals are insincere, but this is about principled, conservative dissent.

Yes, in your own mind. Let others say how principled you are instead of puffing up yourself. Otherwise, you look and sound fake.


30 posted on 01/12/2004 10:46:02 AM PST by rdb3 (Never enough muscle to stop a tertiary hustle.)
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To: narby
But war is different. Once committed to war (and the use of force WAS authorized by Congress - so no BS about the Congress not "declaring" war.....

BS?
The US Constitution is not BS.
The US Constitution does not enumerate powers to Congress to delgate its exclusive jurisdiction to the executive branch. Doing so would turn the legislative "branch" into a mere twig - something not ever intended by the founders. We can take joy in the fact that under President Bush, our armed forces have whupped ass all over the globe - but that does not mean we should turn a blind eye to the blatant trampling of the Constitution and the blurring of jurisdictional lines between the branches of government. We lament the fact that the judicial branch is arrogating unto itself legislative powers, with nary an effective protest from any quarter. Now, we see the executive plowing forward in the same manner - the Constitution be damned - but we go along because we happen to agree with the current President's politics. At some point in time, however, there will be hell to pay.

(BTW: Declaring War, per the US Constitution, would have eliminated all this fuss to begin with. So, why didn't we follow the Constitution in the first place?)


31 posted on 01/12/2004 10:47:43 AM PST by ppaul
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To: richardtavor
No, it's not just you. He trumped his horn throughout the buildup to war . . . going so far as to put out press releases to the national media promoting himself as "the nation's only conservative talk show host opposing war in Iraq." He didn't just have a little philosophical difference with his audience -- he used his stance as his attempted springboard to prominence.

Not that he is a liberal, but his approach did seem to be like many Democrats and local pro-business "republicans" who sided up with Janet Napolitano in her bid for governor. He figured that if he guessed right and had poo-poo'ed a war gone bad, he'd have increased prominence. So, he intellectually saddled up with the protestors. He claims he just had an honest disagreement. The trouble with that argument is that he didn't have a "gentleman's disagreement" but rather spent hours every day making fun of everyone who disagreed with him . . . whilst whining about being a maverick and putting out self-promoting press releases.

The guy is boring and sufficiently sanctimonious to turn most everyone off. I NEVER thought he was a "key" person at KFYI and am most happy to get to listen to someone else driving home.

32 posted on 01/12/2004 10:49:47 AM PST by hoyaloya
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To: hchutch
How to Lose Your Yob in Talk Radio

Sounds painful.

33 posted on 01/12/2004 10:50:59 AM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: richardtavor
He's a contrarian, imho. Support for the war was just too simple and obvious so Goyette was trying to 1-up everyone else by being "just a little bit smarter" than everyone else.

He had lots of help from Col. Hackworth, who was trying to sell his new book at the time. I got the feeling that because "Hack" was such a frequent guest that Charles had a scoop that no one else had. I, however, personally heard "Hack" on every station all over hells 1/2 acre. Hackworth was no visionary. So, I bailed when Charles kept questioning the war.

His afternnon drive ratings suffered, most logically, and I suspect management advised him of those facts. As a programmer, you put your weakest link where it does the least damage. I suspect that is being spun into this "censorship" story.

Morning host, Barry Young, today advised that Goyette's article clearly misrepresented his position as a pro-war mongering KFYI colleague (voice of reason and moderation). Now all Goyette's charges (exaggerations?) are being called into question.

Further, it appears that WMYI 102.5 in Greenville, S.C., where the lady was fired for voicing anti war sentiments is a music station, which would explain much. Can anyone verify.

And that's the skinny from Phoenix.

34 posted on 01/12/2004 10:52:58 AM PST by chiller (could be wrong, but doubt it)
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To: rdb3
"Yes, in your own mind. Let others say how principled you are instead of puffing up yourself. Otherwise, you look and sound fake. "

Just stating that the dissent is based on principles, wasn't trying to sound pious. I make no claim that my view is more "pure" or the "right" view.

35 posted on 01/12/2004 10:55:24 AM PST by CoolGuyVic
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To: CoolGuyVic
"The real mistake is to continue to let our men and women die for no good reason."

To finally come to terms as agreed upon that ended hostilities in Gulf War 1, to include 12 resolutions is not good enough?

Or is it that AMERICANS were fired upon everyday through the years by anti-aircraft fire?
If this were 1940 ish this would not even be a question. Firing upon Americans is an act of war plain and simple.

Millions of human beings being slaughtered is good enough reason for me.
36 posted on 01/12/2004 11:29:32 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: narby
It is far better to be fired for taking a stand than to be fired for low ratings. This was just a PR managment stunt to give the host an argument for getting a new gig.
37 posted on 01/12/2004 11:49:21 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Or is it that AMERICANS were fired upon everyday through the years by anti-aircraft fire?
If this were 1940 ish this would not even be a question. Firing upon Americans is an act of war plain and simple.

Not to mention threatening the life of an American President.
38 posted on 01/12/2004 12:12:42 PM PST by kaktuskid
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To: kaktuskid
"Not to mention threatening the life of an American President."

Forgot that one too.
Then again to liberals to bring this into the equation would defeat the argument so why bother with it eh?
39 posted on 01/12/2004 12:36:30 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: narby
Why did this happen? Why only a couple of months after my company picked up the option on my contract for another year in the fifth-largest city in the United States, did it suddenly decide to relegate me to radio Outer Darkness?

Dolt, it's all about the 'book'.

poor ratings = no drive time

He's lucky to have a job, and after this rant he better hide from the General Manager.

40 posted on 01/12/2004 1:00:24 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: CoolGuyVic
That wouldn't fly if Clinton were the CinC, and it won't fly now. Otherwise, the President could deploy troops anywhere, anytime and it would be our patriotic duty to support it. The real mistake is to continue to let our men and women die for no good reason.

I don't remember any promenent Republicans arguing that Clinton should stop actions in Bosnia. There were some Reps that tepidly suggested that we were in there for the wrong reasons, but I remember none who suggested we leave after the action began.

Politically opposing a war is a move that litterally "aids and comforts" the ememy, giving them reason to hang on until the domestic political anti-war movement wins.

Almost 60k Americans were killed in SE Asia for nothing, because the anti-war people "won" it for the North. Books have been published since 1975 by North Vietnamese leaders saying they hung in there because of the US domestic help they were being given.

Between 2-3 million people died in SE Asia after the North "won" in 1975. The American anti-war people have blood on their hands.

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are accomplishing anti-terrorism goals beyond their borders. I'm proud of what Bush is doing, and I support it.

41 posted on 01/12/2004 1:07:25 PM PST by narby (McGovern lost in 72 - and launched the left's takover of the Dem party)
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To: ppaul
(BTW: Declaring War, per the US Constitution, would have eliminated all this fuss to begin with. So, why didn't we follow the Constitution in the first place?)

Is there some specific required language the Constitution requires the Congress to use in order to "declare War"?

If the Congress authorizes "use of force", is that not making war?

The bottom line is that despite large numbers of very influencial people who are anti-war, none of them have gotten a case through the supreme court to halt actions in places from Korea through Vietnam to Iraq.

Under the Constitution, the SC is the arbiter, and obviously it hasn't stopped those actions, so my opinion is that all those actions were authorized. They just may not have used the exact phrase "Declaration of War".

42 posted on 01/12/2004 1:15:57 PM PST by narby (McGovern lost in 72 - and launched the left's takover of the Dem party)
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To: narby; Congressman Billybob
Congressman Billybob did a fine opinion article on just that subject.
43 posted on 01/12/2004 1:42:43 PM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: narby
McGovern lost in 72 - and launched the left's takover of the Dem party

Totally disagree with you on this war. But read your tagline and more than agree. It has got even worse since then. If Dean is the Dem nominee- there is a serious chance even Massachusetts will vote Bush. Dean will be defeated so badly it might even be the death knell of the Democratic Party.

Just a comment on the Democratic party now. When the McGovern faction took over - they were at least still idealistic and believed in their policies and ideology. They don't believe in anything anymore than pure power. Do you think there is one Democrat who actually thinks Federal no frills Welfare is a "good policy"? Or that their support of teacher's unions and their anti choice stances is going to "help kids?" Nope. They don't believe one word they themselves say anymore. I need only point to one example of how easily they betray anything they once stood for- the Impeachment vote and Senate trial of Bill Clinton. And who is the head of the DNC? Terry MaCauliffe- who resembles the small town near-do-well who peddles pyramid schemes in between used car sales jobs.

When the Dems critisize the war in Iraq it is worthless jibberish. If they were in power they would be calling any opposition to the war "treason" just as they did against Republicans who raised doubts and objections to Clinton's disgusting "wag-the-dog" wars.

44 posted on 01/12/2004 4:27:27 PM PST by Burkeman1 ("If you see ten troubles comin down the road, nine will run into the ditch before they reach you")
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To: narby
I think he came across as arrogant, and I turned him off.
45 posted on 01/12/2004 4:33:48 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (What is the point of fighting in Iraq if we surrender to Vicente?)
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To: narby
After all, we sell radio time on the basis of its ability to influence people’s behavior

Oh crap!!! I am hypnotized!!!!

That does it!!!

I'm gonna go burn down every AM Station in the country and blame it on FM.....wait.... is it the other way around???......regardless...my defense at trial will be.......It's not my fault!!!

46 posted on 01/12/2004 4:43:36 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: ppaul
We "declared war" with respect to Iraq TWICE by action of the Congress, as required by the Constitution. Both times, the action of Congress used almost identical language as Congress did when it authorized President Jefferson to conduct the war against the Barbary Pirates in 1802.

If you would do your homework, you would know this. I wrote up seven "declarations of war" more than a year ago, in a UPI article that was published nationally. Please stop repeating this factually false statement that Congress never declared war with respect to Iraq.

Congressman Billybob

Click here to stick a thumb in the eye of CFR, "Hugh & Series, Critical & Pulled by JimRob."

47 posted on 01/12/2004 7:03:19 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: narby
You are absolutely right. There is no magic language that Congress must use to "declare war." A majority of both Houses of Congress authorizing the "use of military force" in all "necessary ways" is quite sufficient, today, as it was with regard to the Barbary Pirates, two centuries ago.

John / Billybob

48 posted on 01/12/2004 7:09:39 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Baynative
But real peace is not their heartfelt concern, is it? They will wait until another tyrant forces our hand and then ignite their street theater in a show of solidarity for surrender to socialist domination.

Bumpity-bump.

Excellent comments. More worthy of attention than the "look-at-me" article this thread follows.

49 posted on 01/12/2004 7:42:18 PM PST by Snuffington
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To: CoolGuyVic
Most leftists/liberals are insincere, but this is about principled, conservative dissent.

Which just goes to show, conservative principles, once divorced from reality, are no better guide than their liberal equivalent. I don't hate this guy. I just find his screed silly and immature.

50 posted on 01/12/2004 7:46:20 PM PST by Snuffington
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