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Mass Immigration Said 'Swamping' U.S. Cities
NewsMax ^ | 12 Jan, 2004

Posted on 01/12/2004 7:33:52 PM PST by Happy2BMe

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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Sure, send them back and accelerate the ones waiting to enter the country legally. The ones that have applied to entire will probably earn more and contribute more to our society than the current law-breaking freeloaders.
41 posted on 01/12/2004 8:34:38 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Baynative
You forgot to mention changing the constitution to let them run for president. That would just about do it.
42 posted on 01/12/2004 8:35:26 PM PST by hershey
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To: RockyMtnMan
The ones that have applied to entire will probably earn more and contribute more to our society than the current law-breaking freeloaders.

Send them all back.

We are full up.

43 posted on 01/12/2004 8:36:35 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
No arguements here.
44 posted on 01/12/2004 8:38:47 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Problem is that the people immigrating here probably hasn't a clue what a libertarian is.

Link to F.A.I.R. article

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Clinton’s Subtle, but Historic, Redefinition of U.S. Immigration Policy

January 10, 2001

Commentary by Ira Mehlman Federation for American Immigration Reform Spokesman

The Clinton Administration is now a part of history, and historians are just getting started assessing the Clinton legacy. There will be plenty to keep them busy. area of health care reform and personal integrity.

Among the records set during the Clinton years was the largest sustained wave of immigration in America’s history. Some 10 million new immigrants arrived in the U.S. during his presidency, and by the time he left offices there were nearly 30 million foreign born residents, accounting for more than 10 percent of the population.

But perhaps more significant than the sheer numbers of people who settled here during the Clinton years, was the dramatic redefinition of the purpose of immigration policy and the relationship between immigrants and their adopted country.

After losing control of both houses of Congress in the 1994 election to the Republicans, Clinton embarked on a program to reshape the electorate in a way that was more to his liking. In addition to using his considerable powers of persuasion to win back public support, he set about creating a new American public. The administration directed the Immigration and Naturalization Service to mint new citizens in time to vote in the 1996 elections. Under the direct control of Vice President Gore, the Citizenship USA program was tasked with naturalizing as many noncitizens as they could possibly find in time to participate in the next election.

The plan succeeded. Democrats have eliminated the Republicans’ majority in the Senate and have significantly eroded their advantage in the House. An analysis of voting patterns across the country shows that voting by new citizens has been the deciding factor in numerous elections, and in nearly every case, has broken to the Democrats’ advantage.

In much the same way as employers have used immigrants to change labor market conditions to their advantage, the Clinton Administration used them to create an electorate more to their liking.

In the past, immigration was seen as policy designed to serve the interests of the nation. As such, there was a general belief that it was the responsibility of the immigrants to go the extra mile to accommodate themselves to the social, cultural and linguistic norms of the country. As customers, that relationship is reversed. It is the nation that must bend over backwards to accommodate the “customers,” and provide whatever services and programs they need.

Under the customer model, if immigration creates overcrowded schools, or exceeds the capacity of public health care system, you don’t reduce immigration. Instead you build as many schools and emergency rooms as the “customers” require. Under the customer model, it doesn’t matter whether immigrants have marketable skills, or that more than one-third have less than a high school education. It becomes the nation’s obligation to deal with the needs of the immigrants.

Very often it is the subtle policy changes of a presidential administration that define its legacy. Clinton’s subtle manipulation of immigration policy could prove to be among the most long lasting imprints he leaves on America.

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I believe we will have an uphill battle in the future just to keep our Constitutional Republic alive. Why import more democrats?

45 posted on 01/12/2004 8:39:10 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Happy2BMe
Four More Years!
... And, Four Million More Illegal Aliens for Each of those Years!

... the new Bush bumper sticker for Bush 2004.

46 posted on 01/12/2004 8:39:24 PM PST by Brian_Baldwin
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
Immigration Causes A Quarter Of California’s State Budget Deficit

Native-born Californian households paid $1,174 annually in federal, state and local taxes in a net subsidy to the immigrant presence in their state.

Just in state taxes alone, excluding federal and local taxes, native-born California native-born households paid $895 annually in a net subsidy to the immigrant presence.

California immigrant households received a net subsidy from combined Federal, state, and local programs averaging $6,145 in 1996. Immigrant households received an average $24,507 in combined Federal, state, and local spending. They paid an average of $18,362 in taxes.

California immigrant households received a net subsidy of $2,632 from California state taxpayers. They received an average $4,973 in state spending and paid an average $2,341 in state taxes.

Adjusting for inflation and growth in the immigrant population since the NRC report, we estimate California immigrants now receive about $9.3 billion more in state expenditures than they pay in state taxes. (See table)

Conclusion: nearly one-quarter (24.5%) of California’s current $38 billion state budget deficit stems directly from immigration.

47 posted on 01/12/2004 8:39:42 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: TomInNJ
Please tell me again why in Sam Hill Bush is having Fox stay at the ranch in Crawford? I thought that was a special favor for allies. Do they seriously think nobody hears what's said by other Mexican officials? Does it ever occur to Bush that the base of his support might just bolt and form a third party? Guess who would be sitting in the oval office then -- Hitlery. We're doomed.
48 posted on 01/12/2004 8:43:16 PM PST by hershey
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To: Brian_Baldwin
WE R N TRUBL
49 posted on 01/12/2004 8:43:17 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: jolie560
Bring em on--the more the better.

We are an immigrant nation, melded into one.

The US ideals must come first. We have much work that needs to be done. The US ideals must come first.

You hit the nail on the head. In the past, the US WAS a "melting pot," and by combining the strengths of the immigrant cultures with our own, we became stronger. Although many immigrants kept their own cultures and languages alive at home, they believed that it was important to become "Americans," and share a common culture and language with everyone else here.

That's no longer the case. Balkanization of America is going on, with "cultural diversity" being the ultimate goal... To divide us. Different cultures and languages make for a North American Europe... And they've been fighting with each off and on for over a thousands of years.

Mark

50 posted on 01/12/2004 8:43:20 PM PST by MarkL (It's the Chief's Second Season! See you in the Playoffs!)
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
I'm inclined to think immigration restrictions are just another example of protectionism, but I'd like to hear more before I make up my mind.

I would ask the American Indians---- who allowed their borders to be completely open, didn't limit immigration in any way, what it completely unrestricted immigration can do to a society.

We've got a giant welfare society now --- which is even worse, we're inviting in the would-be welfare classes of Mexico --- if they can't survive on their own skills here --- no problem --- the taxpayers will pay to make them very comfy here.

51 posted on 01/12/2004 8:43:28 PM PST by FITZ
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To: hedgetrimmer
So much for adding value to the "general welfare" of the nation. I guess we need a law that allows a limited set of companies to make a bunch of money at taxpayers expense so the investers in those companies can have higher returns.
52 posted on 01/12/2004 8:44:14 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
If they believed in the principles of founding fathers, they'd be ok.

If they believe in socialism, and that mother government must care for them, then we are witnessing the destruction of our society, because it cannot stand when its people do not believe or uphold our form of government.

I always wonder how people can think that a society of free people can survive, when no one is enforcing the system of laws that make people free. I also cannot understand people who put the so-called "free market" over sovereignty and the rights of citizens, unless it is in the context of the need to consolidate the power of the economic elite of the world, and make sure the rest of the population has no rights, no security, no sovereignty and the ability to preserve their culture of freedom.
53 posted on 01/12/2004 8:44:34 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: MarkL
No other immigration wave ever had a President Fox type behind it. His only goal for his country is to send as many of it's citizens out of it and into ours.

Never before were pacts made or meeting held with foreign leaders for them to tell us how many immigrants we had to take. This is not immigration --- this is Mexico sending whatever people they don't want.
54 posted on 01/12/2004 8:46:12 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Missouri
Why import more democrats?

The situation is more insidious than the political leanings of the immigrants themselves.

The more you crowd people, the more likely they will think like Democrats and vote for Democrats.

Just take a look at the map of the 2000 elections: the more densely populated areas voted for Gore.

The more dense the population, the more artificially they live.

Certain ways of doing things become habitual.

It's bad enough that the urban population is growing from the migration of people from rural areas to cities for jobs, but to add even more people from immigration is putting the political sanity of the people at great risk.

55 posted on 01/12/2004 8:46:23 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
No we should pursue a pro-freedom agenda. The freedom that defined our country in the first place and was never meant to be used to displace citizens and give global corporations the ability to take down our borders and destroy our sovereignty.
56 posted on 01/12/2004 8:46:30 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
"Send them back. We have more than enough people, thank you" That's not what the business lobby is saying. Shouldn't we pursue a pro-business agenda?

If we always need more and more people in our country for the economy to be good, then at some point in the future, the economy and the country will fail. There's only so many people that can fit....

...before the ponzi scheme breaks.

57 posted on 01/12/2004 8:46:37 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Texas_Dawg
Swamping? Oh no, not swamping! Anything but swamping!!

Interesting, your one of the first to arrive on this thread doing your best to mock and minimize the threat of millions entering our country illegally.

You juvenile attempts to diminish this nationwide crisis are revealing and very transparent, and most of all, not funny.

Of course when there is no defense to the Bush plan, I can understand why some come on here and start making nervous little quips and jokes. Trust me, it isn't working as most can see this for what it is. Putting your beltway political party or candidate before the best interest of our country is not something that you should flaunt.

58 posted on 01/12/2004 8:49:32 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: FreeReign
before the ponzi scheme breaks.

It's already breaking.

Those who continue to foist immigration upon you are seeking to profit from it, that they may be able to continue to scramble to the top of the human heap, where they can at least glimpse some sky and breathe fresh air, while the vast majority squirm for position in the tangled pile below.

59 posted on 01/12/2004 8:51:08 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: jolie560
We are an immigrant nation, melded into one.

Yeah, well, Mexicans don't meld so well because the homeland is just a road trip away. The ties to the Old Country remain.

How much loyalty will a person born of Mexican parents in the United States have toward our country when he holds dual citizenship and his first language is Spanish?

60 posted on 01/12/2004 8:55:11 PM PST by Mackey (Looks like we got about a lifetime supply of Mexicans. Reckon we can shut the border now.)
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