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Angry White Man (For black voters, Dean is the un-Clinton)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Tuesday, January 13, 2004 | JASON L. RILEY

Posted on 01/13/2004 5:09:02 AM PST by presidio9

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:50:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Unfortunate as it is true, Democrats don't battle Republicans for the black vote. They battle apathy. Blacks vote Democrat or stay home. Which prompts two questions: Will Howard Dean, the third-generation Yalie from Vermont by way of Park Avenue, have a problem ginning up enough black support if he wins the Democratic nomination for president?


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; algorelostgetoverit; angrydems; blackvote; charlierangel; chrisrock; howarddean; sharptonmaumau

1 posted on 01/13/2004 5:09:03 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
The deconstruction of Deanie continues...
2 posted on 01/13/2004 5:12:22 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: mhking
BC ping?
3 posted on 01/13/2004 5:15:56 AM PST by Sinner6 (I don't debate to hear myself talk, I debate to make conversions.)
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To: presidio9
Blacks vote Democrat or stay home

Now if somebody could get the GOP leaders to realize this and tell them to quit pandering for the non exixtent black vote
5 posted on 01/13/2004 5:30:50 AM PST by uncbob
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To: machiventa
If Clark is running mate to Hillary it will be as her Vice Presidential partner.
6 posted on 01/13/2004 5:31:35 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: uncbob
What? Are you saying black Freepers are nonexistent? We are voting and have been voting,Republican - believe it or not!
8 posted on 01/13/2004 5:33:57 AM PST by dagnabit
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To: machiventa
More likely the other way around: Hill as the top candidate and Clark as the running mate.
9 posted on 01/13/2004 5:38:35 AM PST by zebra 2
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To: presidio9
It's always somewhat amusing when a racial provocateur like Charlie Rangel, who shouldn't be allowed to hold the office of dog-catcher, accuses Republicans of "stealing" the 2000 election. Not only is it a lie, but few care anymore other then nutty Dems and other hallucinators. But thank God most Dems live in the past. It's important to visit the past from time to time, but to dwell on it is morbid...and fatal to Dems I hope.
11 posted on 01/13/2004 5:43:09 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: presidio9
Al Sharpton, who mau-maus whites for a living

And wants to replace Jesse as the head Mau Mauer
12 posted on 01/13/2004 5:50:07 AM PST by uncbob
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To: presidio9
For a Democrat to win," says Al From of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, "he'll have to have a heavy black vote, but he also has to go beyond that because the black vote is only 10% of the total vote."

It may be only 10% of the total vote but it is at least 20% of the democrat vote

GOP better do something about the vote fraud in the heavy black districts in the big cities in PA MI ILL etc but of course they won't or can't
13 posted on 01/13/2004 5:55:26 AM PST by uncbob
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To: dagnabit
What? Are you saying black Freepers are nonexistent? We are voting and have been voting,Republican - believe it or not!

You are among the 10% it is the 90% the article and I am referring to
14 posted on 01/13/2004 5:57:01 AM PST by uncbob
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Black conservative ping

If you want on (or off) of my black conservative ping list, please let me know via FREEPmail. (And no, you don't have to be black to be on the list!)

Extra warning: this is a high-volume ping list.

15 posted on 01/13/2004 5:59:28 AM PST by mhking (Maldición justa.)
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To: TheGeezer
The deconstruction of Deanie continues...

I think people around here are getting a little too excited about Dean's collapse. We want him nominated, remember?

16 posted on 01/13/2004 5:59:42 AM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
"It's not a very good glue for a political party. If it disappears, there's nothing to hold you together."
17 posted on 01/13/2004 6:00:16 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
If the problem for Democrats is the lack of a center-left coalition a la Bill Clinton, Howard Dean is hardly the answer. "You can't win on anger," says Mr. From. "It's not a very good glue for a political party. If it disappears, there's nothing to hold you together."

Sounds like they're already stuck, poor urchins.

18 posted on 01/13/2004 6:27:23 AM PST by OESY
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To: machiventa
Man they have us so focused on Dean that we are missing the 600 lb pound gorilla in the room. One that will ultimately defeat Bush if we just focus on Dean. Clark will be the candidate with a possibility of Hillary as running mate.
You are so right. Clark is the real threat. Dean is a decoy.
19 posted on 01/13/2004 6:32:09 AM PST by samtheman
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To: dagnabit
So are you voting because the Republicans are "pandering" or are you voting because you believe in individual freedoms and smaller government, (which is what the GOP used to stand for)? I would guess it's the latter. I agree to stop pandering to a voting block that you're never going to get. Let the message out and let the chips fall where they may.
20 posted on 01/13/2004 6:43:17 AM PST by stevio
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To: dagnabit
A lot of people make the mistake of thinking the NAACP represents the entire spectrum of thought for blacks. Most blacks I work with and know are culturally more conservative than the whites I know and work with. However, they're also extremely suspicious. They feel like they've been boxed out, and fear a return to the days of knowing that a lot of jobs had "no blacks welcome" posted out front.

There's also an elitist wing of the Republican party that, if it doesn't dislike blacks, is scared of them. You're not going to get many votes in a district if you won't even show up in the neighborhood. Republicans will never be able to out-liberal the liberals in getting a percentage of the black vote, but I think there are many blacks who would vote Republican if they thought someone cared about their interests. This doesn't mean pushing a "black agenda" of quotas, welfare, and abortions. That plays to a black stereotype that's, if anything, more destructive than the Stepinfetchit characters common in old movies. It does mean acknowledging individuals as real live human beings and not simply demographics.

I think 30% is the breakover number, and I also think that's doable. At 30%, we start seeing black delegates at the conventions, signs in yards, and Rats seeing that the Jessie Jackson/Al Sharpton race-pimping is no longer working.

Here's the message I'd deliver: "Democrats want people broke, in projects and living on welfare because then they'll vote Democrat. We want people wealthy, in their own homes and working a good job because then they'll vote Republican."

21 posted on 01/13/2004 7:24:50 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: presidio9
The Dean camp, for example, likes to point out that as a Yale undergrad the candidate requested black roommates.
What is this? more Deenie bulls**t i do believe. just the fact that he claims to have requested black roommates is stupid and IMO insulting. but then Deenie isnt known for his tact is he?
22 posted on 01/13/2004 7:47:20 AM PST by suzyq5558 (WARNING! this tagline does not dial 911..........)
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To: presidio9
I think people around here are getting a little too excited about Dean's collapse. We want him nominated, remember?

I think the same thing, but I think the media elite are now out to deconstruct Deanie to prevent what we want. It's fascinating to watch, especially while hoping the deconstruction fails.

The best development would be a Dean nomination followed by a Dean implosion.

Regards.

23 posted on 01/13/2004 8:27:29 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: TheGeezer
The best development would be a Dean nomination followed by a Dean implosion.

Followed by a Hillary-for-Howard switch, New Jersey style? (Remember the "Torch"?) I'm not looking forward to it.

Rules are only for us who believe in them.

24 posted on 01/13/2004 9:46:00 AM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: presidio9
This is why running mate will be critical in this election. And the real problem is that too many black people do feel that their vote does not count... That perception is a result of 2000.

Redistricting, Recall, and other things make too many feel like there is no political hope...

Need some work here...
Either way, the real truth is that those who show up and vote decide things...

The firstest with the mostest... (Never thought I would quote Nathan Bedford Forrest)
25 posted on 01/13/2004 10:13:30 AM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: dwd1
The firstest with the mostest... (Never thought I would quote Nathan Bedford Forrest)

***So when will you be attending the next CSA conclave?? I'm gonna tell on you....
26 posted on 01/13/2004 4:11:13 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Richard Kimball
There's also an elitist wing of the Republican party that, if it doesn't dislike blacks, is scared of them. You're not going to get many votes in a district if you won't even show up in the neighborhood

That's not elitism, it's self preservation. In my city, Blacks who live in integrated neighborhoods are approached by Republicans, and in fact, many of them are Republicans.
But the majority Black neighborhoods are high crime areas, and even the middle class Blacks won't go there. There are major events there, but you won't find a few volunteers walking the street.

Those areas do have high turnouts on election day. All Dem votes, of course. And I can assure you that the Dem party didn't have volunteers working the streets prior to the election, either.

27 posted on 01/13/2004 5:30:17 PM PST by speekinout
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To: cyborg
I will go to one of those as soon as those people in he$$ get their iced water and we sit together to watch the ice hockey game on the the Lake of Fire... Until then, it would not be a good bet. :-)
28 posted on 01/14/2004 6:58:39 AM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: dwd1
um...I take that as a no? LOL
29 posted on 01/14/2004 7:52:54 AM PST by cyborg
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