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Plan For Immigration Reform Dismays Many Conservatives
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | Posted Jan 12, 2004 | Joseph A. D'Agostino

Posted on 01/13/2004 7:04:52 PM PST by Federalist 78

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To: Federalist 78
There appears to be a conflict between what Mr. Robertson claims what God spoke to him and the revealed Word of God:

"Whoso rewardeth evil for good, evil shall not depart from his house."
- Proverbs 17:13

21 posted on 01/13/2004 7:54:18 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Michael Peroutka for President!)
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To: StatesEnemy
We are awakening.
Rescuing system next target of reformers-Campaign Finance Reform thread-day 34

22 posted on 01/13/2004 7:56:50 PM PST by The_Eaglet (Michael Peroutka for President!)
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To: Federalist 78
A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform
23 posted on 01/13/2004 8:03:58 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: The_Eaglet

There appears to be a conflict between what Mr. Robertson claims what God spoke to him and the revealed Word of God:

Robertson is a good conservative humanitarian and businessman who supports missionary work.

There are many conflicts between his claims and the revealed Word of God:

24 posted on 01/13/2004 8:06:56 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Federalist 78
What Is Considered An Illegal Activity Under Immigration Law?

Here are some examples of the most common violations of United States Immigration laws:

Examples:

(This is not a complete list of violations.)



25 posted on 01/13/2004 8:06:56 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: Federalist 78
I have also heard that you will get banned from this site very easily if you disagree with Bush too much. I know of some "true conservatives" who were banned from here for NO reason;)

I'm the type of "grassroots conservative" that puts my country and its Constitution above---WAY above---some "Fearless Leader" like Bush or his party. If my opposition to this treasonous "This is not an amnesty! This is NOT an amnesty!" plan gets me banned, I'll wear it as a badge of honor.

26 posted on 01/13/2004 8:07:20 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Federalist 78
Have you read Robertson's book The New World Order?
27 posted on 01/13/2004 8:08:46 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: tgslTakoma
re:BTW, did #6 have any threats of violence or personal attacks, or something else verboten, that wasn't quoted in the comment I read in #8, that may have been a reason to pull it?
 
Not that I saw.
I think an admin has a bug up their keister because everyone aint falling in lockstep to support Bush's immigration disaster.
That's their perogotive, but it's just plain asinine.
Hell, just a few days ago poor old putupon's tagline was thrown up against the wall, shook down for it's lunch money and thrown in a locker.
It was harmless, women didn't miscarry upon reading it, frogs didn't fall from the sky, and old people didn't keel over at the site of it. -something to the effect of "immigration somthing something, El Presidente Jorge Del RINO Arbusto" or something like that.
28 posted on 01/13/2004 8:14:51 PM PST by tomakaze ( Todays "useful idiot" is tomorrows "useless eater")
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To: Federalist 78
This move is 100% pandering for the Hispanic vote, and it won't work. This is probably one of the worst moves Bush and Co. could have made. Let us hope the reps in Congress don't get bought off.
29 posted on 01/13/2004 8:15:36 PM PST by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Federalist 78
"I think that for the first time, he may have come up with something that may seriously endanger his base," said Free Congress Foundation President Paul Weyrich. "This is a way that terrorists can get into the country, legally and everything," he said.

In view of the President's conduct respecting the CFR Act [signed it], the vastly expensive prescription benefits legislation, remarks concerning the possible extension of the AWB, and finally, his catastrophic sellout on illegal immigration, Real Americans are entitled to ask whether the President holds any respect whatsoever for the Constitution he swore to defend and protect. Does he have strongly held principles? And to put it in crass political terms, if Rove is the prime movant in this long Train of Abuses, are Real Americans not then entitled to conclude that Rove has persuaded the President that he may endlessly disregard his conservative base? We all recall Lee Atwater telling President Read My Lips that he could disregard the conservative base on taxes, among other things. Lee Atwater's judgment was spectacularly unsound and I fear that of his protege Rove may be worse. In the four cases cited above, there is no upside for the President or the country - just a Pandora's Box of downside for the country and an increasingly estranged and alienated conservative base, that is, the party bedrock. Thus it seems that Rove has convinced the President that no matter what outrage the President commits against the conservative principles he ran on, the conservative base will be there not only on election day, but during the campaign. Moreover, Rove does not understand that the bizarre spectacle of our President mud wrestling in Monterey in a dogpile of pygmies does not go down well with Americans, including many Democrats, who believe in our national sovereignty. Let us all pray that God will grant the President light to see. Amen and may God Bless America

30 posted on 01/13/2004 8:40:02 PM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: tomakaze

few days ago poor old putupon's tagline was thrown up against the wall, shook down for it's lunch money and thrown in a locker.It was harmless, women didn't miscarry upon reading it, frogs didn't fall from the sky, and old people didn't keel over at the site of it. -something to the effect of "immigration somthing something, El Presidente Jorge Del RINO Arbusto" or something like that.

LOL!

31 posted on 01/13/2004 8:42:16 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: tomakaze
That's their perogotive, but it's just plain asinine.

A sad state of affairs...

32 posted on 01/13/2004 8:51:48 PM PST by tgslTakoma (In the USA we don't reward lawbreakers - or do we? No amnesty for illegal aliens.)
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To: Bedford Forrest

Thus it seems that Rove has convinced the President that no matter what outrage the President commits against the conservative principles he ran on, the conservative base will be there not only on election day, but during the campaign.

The first time I heard, "I didn't leave the democratic party, the party left me," was during the 1988 elections. Those folk found the BIG RNC TENT.

There is a claim being made, "For every conservative we lose, we pick up two from the DNC." I have no link, statistic, or anyone to quote. The more probable case is, WHERE THEY GONNA GO! What are the conservatives going do? The third parties have made no preparation whatsoever, except the Libertarians.

Just like Robertson said, BUSH CAN DO NO WRONG!

33 posted on 01/13/2004 8:54:15 PM PST by Federalist 78
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To: Federalist 78
Robertson stated that Bush has found favor with God and that the president is reaping the benefits as a result of his dedication to and faith in the Lord.

Let's not forget that Pat was the guy who ended up apologizing for saying that 9/11 was God's punishment on Evil America.

34 posted on 01/13/2004 9:11:14 PM PST by pawdoggie
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bump to read later
35 posted on 01/13/2004 10:08:17 PM PST by meema
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To: Federalist 78
The third parties have made no preparation whatsoever,

I think Bush and Rove are in the process of creating one.

36 posted on 01/13/2004 10:17:38 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Map Kernow
"The National Population Council reported that 9.9 million Mexicans call America home and that more than 7.82 million of those - or 79 percent - do not have U.S. citizenship. It did not break down how many had legal residence papers."

"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation."

I'm one of the 83%.

If the President Bush or Tom Ridge would announce that in six months they will be paying a $50 per head bounty for each illegal alien on American soil there would be a mad rush for the borders.

A policeman in a car costs the average city about $200 an hour. Helicopters cost at least $2000 an hour with the ground crews. What is the full cost of a teacher per hour? $140.00 or there about.

If we could get illegal aliens to turn each other in, just the ones trying to slip through the net, (I know thousands would attempt it) we would save billions in law enforcement, welfare programs, unemployment, medical care, job training and schools the first year.

Do all this under Executive Order and tell the Courts to back off. This is national security!

Any employer who has employed an illegal alien more than five months from the announcement date will be fined $5000 per employee. One month later enforcement begins. This will give employers 5 months to shed the illegals and hire legally papered actual American citizens.

Then on the announced date, start in a state such as Oklahoma. Well centered, not overly populated and clean the state out. This would give Homeland, INS and Border Patrol time to install their co-agents in various court houses around the country to verify a persons paperwork, i.e.. birth certificates, hospital records, etc.

Go state to state from the epicenter sweeping out the criminals who have successfully avoided suspicion. They already had 5 months to get out, hanging around to test the system carries a SEVERE penalty. They won't be able to say they weren't warned.

Divide a state into quadrants depending on population per square mile., First arrest those whose names were turn in for the bounty. Then others suspected by local law agencies. When arrests slow down, open an adjoining quadrant.

Get caught after the selected dated and the result would be every foreign national who is not in America legally would forfeit all their belongings (houses, cars, bank accounts, etc.) and be deported within 24 hours. These forfeited belongings would then be given to local churches for distribution to the needy in that community. Another cost saver!

This enforcement would apply to illegals from every country in the world, not just Mexico.

Imagine the number of Chinese who would be taking the ship home with everything in the house, new cars, you name it would be on those ships. The thousands of Canadians who decided the USA was better than Canada would be again headed North.

How many schools could be closed? How many hospitals and state paid housing tracts? How many welfare offices? How many planned jail enlargements could be stopped for lack of need?

How many state and federal employees would find out that they have the time to actually give good service to their American customers?

Oh yes, it would be an economic shocker in the amount of taxes that could be reduced or used to actually improve something needed for American citizens, instead of illegal foreigners.

Want an approximate number of the population drop? Try 50 million+ with the majority over 30 years of age, having been illegal residents of America for over ten years.

I've always wondered how many folks are on Medicare that don't deserve it. I'll bet that would save a big chuink of money that could be used for American war veterans and citizens health problems.

Just imagine the frantic squealing from our politicians thinking of the lost votes and contributions. That would be a sideshow worth watching!

Scan the whole page for good reading!
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37 posted on 01/13/2004 11:40:20 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: Federalist 78
I really don't understand the crazy logic of prefering wage depressing illegals over a healthy wage for an American taxpayer that helps to pay the national debt down.

It has to be plain and simple old sell out corruption.
38 posted on 01/13/2004 11:51:41 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Federalist 78
Thanks for posting this thread. I agree completely that Bush is making a horrific mistake. I am working on the S.O.S. (Save Our State) petition here in California--a State constitutional amendment denying welfare, drivers licenses, etc. to illegal aliens-- and many Republicans who are siging it are disgusted with Bush's decision regarding illegal aliens.
39 posted on 01/13/2004 11:59:51 PM PST by tame (If I must be the victim of a criminal, please let it be Catwoman! Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!)
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To: tame
I agree with you that Bush is making a horrific mistake. I am working overseas right now and, from where I stand, this is just an unbelievably horrible move by Bush and the Republican leadership. They are panderers surrendering their principles. What ARE they thinking??

And, judging from the personal email I have received over the past several days from my friends back home, there are plenty of other mainstream Republicans who are outraged about this, too.
40 posted on 01/14/2004 12:18:42 AM PST by MissouriForBush
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