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Immigration, Saudi Style
NRO ^ | January 13, 2004 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 01/13/2004 10:09:21 PM PST by neverdem

Immigration, Saudi Style A radical disconnect.

President Vicente Fox of Mexico on Monday backed President Bush's guestworker/amnesty proposal at the "Summit of the Americas" in Monterrey, Mexico. Whether this helps or hurts its political prospects on Capitol Hill is another matter, but one question has not been asked during the week the Bush proposal has been debated: What would America's labor market, and society and polity, look like if Bush's plan were actually implemented?

Some have suggested that immigration promotes the "Brazilianization" of our economy, as the rich benefit from the importation of servants while native-born blue-collar workers see their wages suffer.

This is certainly true with regard to mass immigration as a whole, but the president's specific proposals suggest a different country as a model: Saudi Arabia. That country, and its Gulf neighbors, are home to a permanent guestworker class, millions strong, lacking any real possibility of becoming full members of the host society. These foreign workers are very large in number, with the six million in Saudi Arabia accounting for about one-quarter of the kingdom's population. And they have virtually no chance of becoming citizens, even after living there for decades.

How would the president's plan "Saudi-ize" America's immigration policy? A Saudi approach to immigration has three characteristics: large numbers, permanence, and lack of political rights.

LARGE NUMBERS Even under current law, there has been explosive growth in the number of foreigners admitted under "non-immigrant" (i.e., ostensibly temporary) visas in recent years. The total number of visas issued by the State Department has increased 30 percent since 1985, and that's not including visitors from other industrialized countries, who in the interim were exempted from the visa process by the Visa Waiver Program. Regarding just employment visas, over the five years from 1997 to 2001, about 2.8 million were issued for foreign workers and their families.

The president's plan would dwarf the current work visa programs. In addition to the 8-9 million illegals currently here, who would be permitted to launder their status through the president's guestworker program, millions more would be permitted to enter from overseas. Since there are no numerical limits to the president's proposal, it's anyone's guess how many will come, but there's no reason to suppose that new foreign workers wouldn't outnumber the illegals enrolled in the program within five years or so.

What's more, labor-market tests that serve to limit current guestworker categories would be discarded, in favor of a "clear and efficient" system, in the president's words, that would enable employers "to find workers quickly and simply." I specifically asked a senior White House official whether the current job protections would be used — such as a labor-market test or a requirement that the employer offer the "prevailing wage" for that occupation — and was told that such mechanisms were too bureaucratic and would not be used. What would likely result would be an Internet job registry, permitting employers to offer jobs at any wage above the legal minimum, and when no Americans or legal immigrants applied after a specified number of days, they would be permitted to import foreigners. Without any statutory or administrative limits, this flow of new workers would quickly number in the millions.

PERMANENCE The president assured the nation that the legal status accorded to foreign workers under his proposal "will have an end," and that he "expects that most temporary workers will eventually return permanently to their home countries." And one of the principles the president espoused for his proposal was that "new laws should provide incentives for temporary, foreign workers to return permanently to their home countries after their period of work in the United States has expired," incentives such as tax-free savings accounts that guestworkers could only access after they return.

But anyone familiar with the working of our immigration system — or anyone else's — knows the bulk of these workers would be permanent. (See this overview of past guestworker failures.) The White House sees the three-year visas that workers would come in on (and that illegals would use to launder their status) as renewable for however many times Congress sees fit. The relevant parallel in current law is the H-1b visa, which is for foreigners in "specialty occupations," and which lasts three years, renewable once. However, since the six years weren't enough for many H-1b visa holders to work their way to the head of the line for green cards, Congress in 2000 made the visa indefinitely renewable for one year at a time for people on a green card waiting list. Assuming that Congress didn't design the new guestworker program to be like this from the start, this kind of permanent status almost certainly would be granted eventually to everyone waiting in the queue for green cards.

And the time such workers would spend in "temporary" status would not be appreciably shortened by the White House plan's call for a "reasonable" increase in the number of green cards. The total annual number of green cards would have to be tripled or quadrupled beyond today's total level of one million-plus in order to make any dent in the existing backlogs and to satisfy the huge demand that would be unleashed by the guestworker program. And such huge increases in permanent immigration are politically impossible, unlike the soothing fairy tales of "temporary" worker programs. The result would be big increases in waiting lists for immigration, but the ability to live and work here until your number comes up, meaning that the "temporary" status would in actuality be permanent.

In addition, unless the president is suggesting a change to the current interpretation of the 14th Amendment, all children of guestworkers would be U.S. citizens at birth, as the children of illegals are today. This would root them even more permanently in this country.

NO POLITICAL RIGHTS Though the White House has said that these foreign workers would have the normal workplace rights of other workers, the fact remains that their status would be contingent upon employment. Any worker who lost his job would become an illegal alien if he did not find another job within 45 days. This would give employers enormous power over the foreign workers, making them infinitely preferable to Americans or legal immigrants, who can cause all kinds of trouble by demanding higher wages and the like. In the words of Angela Kelley of the National Immigration Forum, "We've got all these people who are basically going to be a permanent underclass, they're never going to be able to be citizens and participate in a meaningful way." (I wouldn't ordinarily quote the National Immigration Forum approvingly, but just because the high-immigration left says something, doesn't mean it's not true.)

KNOW-NOTHINGS So, the president's proposal would create a permanent guestworker class, millions strong, but lacking any realistic timetable for becoming Americans. Advocacy for such an anti-immigrant policy of high immigration has a precedent in American history — the Know-Nothings of the 1850s. As historian Otis Graham discusses in his upcoming book Unguarded Gates, the Know-Nothings, officially known as the American Party, were not immigration restrictionists at all — they were content to let immigration continue at historically unprecedented levels, but wanted to make sure the new immigrants couldn't vote. The heirs of the Know-Nothings are many of today's libertarians, who espouse a similar decoupling of immigration and citizenship.

For instance, my research director several years ago confronted a libertarian speaker about the possibility of immigrant voters supporting bigger government (as they do), and he responded, "Well, then, we just won't let them vote!" Along the same lines, I appeared on a panel with Jacob Hornberger, founder of the libertarian Future of Freedom Foundation during which he was asked the same question, and gave essentially the same answer — immigration and citizenship are different things, and don't have to be connected.

Such a disconnect is the essence of the Saudi model of immigration, while maintaining the connection is central to the American model. This administration is enjoying some modest success in trying to make the Middle East more like America; it would be unfortunate if, with regard to immigration, it ends up making America more like the Middle East.

— NRO Contributor Mark Krikorian is executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies www.cis.org and a visiting fellow at the Nixon Center.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: aliens; guestworkers; illegalaliens; immigration
Bush is throwing a bone to Presidente Fox. I doubt this foolery can be passed by Congress, IMHO.
1 posted on 01/13/2004 10:09:22 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Leftist rag NRO!

2 posted on 01/13/2004 10:34:55 PM PST by Kay Soze (“The Bush immigration plan is heavily dependent on enforcement agencies we don't have”- WFBuckley)
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To: neverdem
For instance, my research director several years ago confronted a libertarian speaker about the possibility of immigrant voters supporting bigger government (as they do), and he responded, "Well, then, we just won't let them vote!" Along the same lines, I appeared on a panel with Jacob Hornberger, founder of the libertarian Future of Freedom Foundation during which he was asked the same question, and gave essentially the same answer — immigration and citizenship are different things, and don't have to be connected.

Despicable dissimulation by Open Borders traitors. Illegals are already voting in elections---they provided the margin that stole Bob Dornan's seat in 1996. A few months ago, in SF, some Councilfruit proposed that "undocumented workers" be allowed to vote in local elections, like for school board, because "their children go to school, too."

"If they come here, they will vote." And make your vote worth even less than it is now, in this "Free Republic."

3 posted on 01/13/2004 10:36:23 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kay Soze
Leftist rag NRO

Are you being sarcastic, or what makes you say that?

4 posted on 01/13/2004 10:47:04 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Great article. Everyone on FR should read this. I wish he would have hit on the H1B and L1 visa programs a bit more. They are the perfect examples of what Pres. Bush`s immigration proposal`s will eventually lead to. The more people peel away the layers here, the more they will reject what Pres. Bush is offering on this issue, and understand what really needs to be done.

"Controlled borders, controlled immigration".

I am pissed at Pres. Bush for his insane proposal, but glad he started this debate in this country. A lot of peoples eyes are going to be opened up.
5 posted on 01/13/2004 10:54:41 PM PST by Peace will be here soon (Beware, there are some crazy people around here !!! And I could be one of them !!)
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To: Missouri
You will like this article. Scary stuff.
6 posted on 01/13/2004 10:57:23 PM PST by Peace will be here soon (Beware, there are some crazy people around here !!! And I could be one of them !!)
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To: neverdem
This will I hope force people to think rationally about immigration.

The guestworker program as articulated by the president will severely harm the American worker. His idea is that any job that an American doesn't want should be offered to a foreign worker. The catch is simple; if a job doesn't have a taker you raise the wages offered, or improve the conditions offered. Or you establish some kind of training program and train someone to take the job. Or you finance a department at the university and train people that way.

The secret to America's economic success is not cheap labor, it is on the contrary expensive labor. This has forced companies to automate where ever possible, to be streamlined in its manufacturing processes. It has forced Americans to do their own work where ever possible, which has caused most Americans to be more practical than would otherwise be. And it has caused Americans traditionally to be more egalitarian without laws to enforce egalitarianism.

Americans traditionally did not have servants, they did their own lawn work, they fixed their own cars, because labor was expensive. And they could support their families with only one wage earner because, again, labor was expensive.

When you were laid off, you might pick up seasonal work in the farm fields as my older relatives often did, because you could support your family that way. Because, again, such labor was expensive.

Bringing in foreign workers to depress the cost of labor will widen the divide between the blue collar and professional classes in this country, creating a class system that has not existed in the way it has in other countries.

If cheap labor was the secret to economic success, Mexico would be the economic powerhouse that it isn't, since it is the home of this cheap labor. And if Mexico really believed that cheap labor was the secret to economic success it would be importing guest workers from Honduras, which it most assuredly is not.


7 posted on 01/13/2004 10:57:26 PM PST by marron
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To: marron
Excellent !!!! You should win the best post of the day award !! You did in my book at least.
8 posted on 01/13/2004 11:19:57 PM PST by Peace will be here soon (Beware, there are some crazy people around here !!! And I could be one of them !!)
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To: neverdem
I have nothing against a mercenarian workforce... just as long as they apply legaly. And Vincente specificaly said they would stay Mexican and belong to the Mexican plantation... probably via threatening families back home for passage payment. So these workers really do not belong here and will not respect America nor its laws, simply because their master is in Mexico.
10 posted on 01/14/2004 2:14:44 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: JudgemAll
And Vincente specificaly said they would stay Mexican and belong to the Mexican plantation..

Maybe for these proposed "Guest Workers", but Mexican law provides for dual citizenship, IIRC, and I don't like divided loyalties.

11 posted on 01/14/2004 8:46:31 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Any worker who lost his job would become an illegal alien if he did not find another job within 45 days

As if we are going to monitor 10 million people to see if they have been employed in the last 45 days. What a joke

12 posted on 01/14/2004 8:50:11 AM PST by paul51
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To: neverdem
I am being sarcastic! :)

Look at my tag line. I do know who the conservative writers and pubs are.

Also I am fully aware that conservative writers, thinkers and publications are unified in their opposition to opening our borders.

The WTC attackers were trained here in Arizona not Iraq and did so on expired Visas!

If and its a huge IF we (GOP) were interested in fighting the WOT for results vs votes we would be using the National Guard and resources being wasted in IRAQ.

Currently the National guard is at lowest numbers since during the second world war!

13 posted on 01/14/2004 9:05:55 AM PST by Kay Soze (“The Bush immigration plan is heavily dependent on enforcement agencies we don't have”- WFBuckley)
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To: neverdem
Nice article.

It continues to amaze me that supporters of Prez Bush's illegal amnesty proposal really believe the "guest workers" will be "temporary".
14 posted on 01/14/2004 9:15:35 AM PST by k2blader (¡Vote Bush, Amexicanos y Amexicanas!)
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To: Kay Soze
"Leftist rag NRO!"

I am being sarcastic! :)

Look at my tag line. I do know who the conservative writers and pubs are.

I've liked Buckley, who wrote your tagline, IIRC, a long time. But sometimes his prose borders on being incomprehensible, and his libertarian sympathies and those of other authors at NRO, make some "pure" conservatives angry at this forum.

That's why I didn't get your unqualified sarcasm. Sometimes it's obvious. At other times, it can use some help.

15 posted on 01/14/2004 10:33:40 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: marron; Marine Inspector
BUMP.

16 posted on 01/14/2004 10:47:33 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: webwizard; neverdem
I disagree. Cheap labor is only part of the equation. The other two parts of the equation are access to capital and technology. Mexico has plenty of cheap labor but little capital or technology (either physical plant or management skills).

Mexico is actually quite industrialized. They already were, and since NAFTA have become even more so. Beside American companies who have established manufacturing there, Korean and Japanese firms have done the same. Much of their manufacturing is intended for export, which means they are paid in dollars.

They are also one of the leading oil producers in the world, and their industry is 100% national. Again, the commodity is paid for in dollars; even gasoline sold in Mexico sells at approximately the US equivalent dollar price.

NAFTA obviously has helped to open up markets in the US, but their natural market has always been the rest of Latin America, which is much less industrialized. This is one of the reasons American and other foreign manufacturing has operated there even long before NAFTA.

I think there are other impediments. Rules against repatriation of money may be among them, but these have improved with NAFTA. General insecurity adds to the price tag of almost everything there, some US companies that relocated there later returned to the US because of the hidden costs of operating there. Trucks hauling parts or product simply disappear, occasionally the drivers themselves are killed. This is a hidden cost that emerges when you actually begin to operate there.

Local and national politicians may suddenly turn up at your door expecting you to kick in for their pet projects, which means that your tax load is higher than you expected when you have to deal with these unexpected hidden taxes.

And of course despite the belief that the cost of living is less in Mexico, the reality is that it is actually higher for the same equivalent life style. This goes back to some of these hidden costs that people don't understand until they are there.

I don't claim to completely understand the problem, but the general vagueness of legal protections for property and for investment seem to be at the heart of the problem. This seems to be improving, also the problem of political party control of the legal process is probably improving now that the one-party-system has been finally cracked.

Competition from China as a low-cost labor destination has hurt them. I was involved in a project to move production to Mexico; we did "phase 1", but "phase 2" was canceled because the client figured out that they could operate cheaper in China. Supposedly. Another project some of my colleagues worked on involved shutting down a Mexican factory and shipping the equipment to China.

17 posted on 01/14/2004 11:45:39 AM PST by marron
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