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Bush plan would encourage marriage
New York Times via Ft. Worth Star Telegram ^ | 01/14/2004 | Robert Pear;David D. Kirkpatrick

Posted on 01/14/2004 10:25:06 AM PST by jtminton

WASHINGTON - Administration officials say they are planning an extensive election-year initiative to promote marriage, especially among low-income couples, and they are weighing whether President Bush should promote the plan in his State of the Union speech next week.

For months, administration officials have been working with conservative groups on the proposal, which would provide at least $1.5 billion for training to help couples develop interpersonal skills that sustain "healthy marriages."

The officials said they believe the measure is especially timely because of pressure from conservatives eager to see the federal government defend traditional marriage after a November ruling by Massachusetts' highest court that gay couples have a right to marry.

"This is a way for the president to address the concerns of conservatives and to solidify his conservative base," a presidential adviser said.

Several conservative Christian advocacy groups are pressing Bush to go further and use his State of the Union speech to champion a constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage. Leaders of these groups said they are confused by what they see as the administration's hedging and hesitation on such an amendment.

Although administration officials said they do not know whether Bush will mention the amendment, they expressed confidence that his marriage promotion plan would please conservatives.

"A lot of conservatives are very pleased with the healthy marriage initiative," said Republican Ronald Haskins, who has worked on Capitol Hill and at the White House.

The proposal is the type of relatively inexpensive but politically potent initiative that appeals to White House officials squeezed by growing federal budget deficits.

It also plays to Bush's desire to be viewed as a "compassionate conservative," an image he sought to cultivate in his 2000 campaign. In his re-election campaign, administration officials said, Bush is likely to visit programs trying to increase marriage rates in poor neighborhoods.

"The president loves to do that sort of thing in the inner city with black churches, and he's very good at it," a White House aide said.

In the past few years, some liberals have also expressed interest in marriage education programs. They say a growing body of statistical evidence suggests that children fare best, financially and emotionally, in married two-parent families.

But the president's proposal may not be enough for some conservative groups that are pushing for a more emphatic statement from him opposing gay marriage.

"We have a hard time understanding, why the reserve?" said Glenn Stanton, a policy analyst at Focus on the Family, a conservative Christian organization. "You see him inching in the right direction. But the question for us is, why this inching? Why not just get there?"

The Rev. Louis Sheldon, chairman of a national group called the Traditional Values Coalition, has started an e-mail campaign urging Bush to push for an amendment opposing the legal recognition of same-sex marriage.

Other groups, such as the Southern Baptist Convention and Focus on the Family, are pushing more quietly for the same thing, through contacts with White House officials, especially Karl Rove, the president's chief political aide. He has taken a personal interest in maintaining contacts with evangelical groups.

In an interview with ABC News last month, Bush was asked whether he would support a constitutional amendment against gay marriage and gay civil unions.

"If necessary, I will support a constitutional amendment which would honor marriage between a man and a woman, codify that," Bush said. "The position of this administration is that whatever legal arrangements people want to make, they're allowed to make, so long as it's embraced by the state, or does start at the state level."

Asked to specify the circumstances in which a constitutional amendment might be necessary, White House spokesman Trent Duffy said Tuesday, "That is a decision the president has to make in due time."

The House of Representatives has approved a proposal to promote marriage as part of a bill to reauthorize the 1996 welfare law, but the bill is bogged down in the Senate.

Without waiting for Congress to act, the administration has retained expert consultants to help state and local government agencies, community organizations and religious groups develop marriage promotion programs.

Wade Horn, assistant secretary of Health and Human Services for children and families, said: "Marriage programs do work. On average, children raised by their own parents in healthy, stable married families enjoy better physical and mental health and are less likely to be poor."

Linda Waite, a University of Chicago demographer and sociologist, compiled an abundance of evidence to support such assertions in the book The Case for Marriage. Waite, a former president of the Population Association of America, said she is a liberal Democrat but not active in politics.

Some women's groups such as the NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund oppose government programs that promote marriage. "Such programs intrude on personal privacy, may ignore the risk of domestic violence and may coerce women to marry," said Timothy Casey, a lawyer at the fund.

Administration officials said their goal was "healthy marriage," not marriage for its own sake.

"We know this is a sensitive area," Horn said. "We don't want to come in with a heavy hand. All services will be voluntary. We want to help couples, especially low-income couples, manage conflict in healthy ways. We know how to teach problem-solving, negotiation and listening skills. This initiative will not force anyone to get or stay married. The last thing we'd want is to increase the rate of domestic violence against women."

Under the president's proposal, federal money could be used for specified activities, including advertising campaigns to publicize the value of marriage, instruction in marriage skills and mentoring programs that use married couples as role models.

Federal officials said they favor premarital education programs that focus on high school students, young adults interested in marriage, engaged couples and unmarried couples at the "magic moment" of a child's birth.

Alan Hershey, a senior fellow at Mathematica Policy Research in Princeton, N.J., said his company had a $19.8 million federal contract to measure the effectiveness of such programs for unwed parents. He said he is providing technical assistance to marriage education projects in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, New Mexico and Texas.

A major purpose, Hershey said, is to help people "communicate about money, sex, child raising and other difficult issues that come up in their relationships."

Horn said federal money for marriage promotion would be available only to heterosexual couples. As a federal official, he said, he is bound by the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage for any program established by Congress. The law says, "The word 'marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife."

But Horn said: "I don't have any problem with the government providing support services to gay couples under other programs. If a gay couple had a child and they were poor, they might be eligible for food stamps or cash assistance."

Sheri Steisel, a policy analyst at the National Conference of State Legislatures, said, "The Bush administration has raised this issue to the national level, but state legislators of both parties are interested in offering marriage education and premarital counseling to low-income couples."


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1 posted on 01/14/2004 10:25:06 AM PST by jtminton
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To: jtminton
More federal taxpayers dollars down a neverending drain. I surely hope GW eventually stops trying to co-opt every issue on the American landscape.
2 posted on 01/14/2004 10:28:34 AM PST by varina davis
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To: jtminton

"We have a hard time understanding, why the reserve?" said Glenn Stanton, a policy analyst at Focus on the Family, a conservative Christian organization. "You see him inching in the right direction. But the question for us is, why this inching? Why not just get there?"
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The Rev. Louis Sheldon, chairman of a national group called the Traditional Values Coalition, has started an e-mail campaign urging Bush to push for an amendment opposing the legal recognition of same-sex marriage.

Keep pushing the party to the right !

3 posted on 01/14/2004 10:30:23 AM PST by Kay Soze (“The Bush immigration plan is heavily dependent on enforcement agencies we don't have”- WFBuckley)
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To: varina davis
"More federal taxpayers dollars down a neverending drain"

Amen.

4 posted on 01/14/2004 10:46:12 AM PST by PersonalLiberties (Between Life and the Pursuit of Happiness you Need Liberty)
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To: jtminton
"For months, administration officials have been working with conservative groups on the proposal, which would provide at least $1.5 billion for training to help couples develop interpersonal skills that sustain "healthy marriages."



Money down the toilet, IMO. Another boondoggle.
6 posted on 01/14/2004 10:54:46 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: jtminton
"This is a way for the president to address the concerns of conservatives and to solidify his conservative base," a presidential adviser said.

I am truly, truly afraid about what this program is going to look like. At best, it will be a total waste of money.

Social conservatives like myself don't necessarily want government money being used to promote social conservatism--we just want to cut off funding for the forces of evil, like Planned Parenthood, and then end the failed war on poverty. We don't want to have to pay to prolong and exacerbate our own society's contemporary social ills.

How many more government programs is Bush going to introduce in his SOTU, anyway?

7 posted on 01/14/2004 10:57:13 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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would provide at least $1.5 billion for training to help couples develop interpersonal skills that sustain "healthy marriages."

Last election was the first time I voted in a presidential race, and I voted for Harry Browne. I experienced voter's remorse the day after the election (ironic when you consider Browne's "no regrets" slogan.) The Florida debacle made me much more partisan than I had been.

I became convinced that it was automatic that I would be voting for GWB next time around. I looked forward to it. Once I was willing to accept them, the arguments for voting for the GOP made sense to me. I became the devil's advocate FOR the GOP, rather than against it.

But I have to tell you, this type of spending is the sort of thing that makes me think I won't vote for GWB in 2004. I know, if I throw my vote away, then a Democrat wins and they will be worse. Well, what we have right now is plenty bad enough. If it takes making it worse to somehow inject some semblance of fiscal conservatism into the GOP, then maybe that's what we need to do. In the long run this stuff has GOT to stop. I am so freaking mad about this that not only am I considering withholding my vote, but I am damn near ready to actively protest this Administration's insane spending habits.

When it comes to fiscal conservatism and limited government, this Administration is a disgrace. 1.5 billion to teach poor morons how to be nice to each other. BAAAAAAARRRRRRFFFFF!!!!!!!!!

jw, I am pinging you to see if you have anything to say to help me cope with this CRAP.

8 posted on 01/14/2004 10:57:37 AM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: jtminton
This is the most ridiculous proposal yet. Unbelievable.
9 posted on 01/14/2004 11:03:30 AM PST by Stingray51
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To: jtminton
Pretty soon, the feds will send someone out to hold my hand when I cross the street.
10 posted on 01/14/2004 11:09:51 AM PST by self_evident
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To: jtminton
So this is what it was like when Rome fell. What we are witnessing is truly historic.
11 posted on 01/14/2004 11:10:52 AM PST by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: Huck
Well, I called the White House comment line and said the following (more or less): The marriage spending bill is one of the most assenine proposals yet to come out of this Administration.

I am a registered Republican, and while the President's ridiculous immigration policy has cost the President votes already, he hadn't yet lost mine. But with proposals like this one, he is losing my vote very, very quickly.

So, I took some responsibility. What else can I do?

12 posted on 01/14/2004 11:12:36 AM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: The Old Hoosier
How many more government programs is Bush going to introduce in his SOTU, anyway?

We should start a thread guessing how much money the President will spend in his SOTU. I'm guessing....what comes after trillion?

13 posted on 01/14/2004 11:13:46 AM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Huck
We should start a thread guessing how much money the President will spend in his SOTU.

LOL..It would be nice to have a meter on TV that tallied up the total after each proposal, as well as cost per taxpayer, kind of like the National Debt Meter. That way we would know how much the speech was costing us in real time.
14 posted on 01/14/2004 11:19:01 AM PST by microgood (Gollum.....Middle Earth's first lawyer.)
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To: microgood
I can see it in the corner of the screen:

Dow: +25.65

Nasdaq: -12.34

Budget Deficit: +1,500,000,000

15 posted on 01/14/2004 11:23:50 AM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: jtminton
Is this a duplicate thread or something? No one cares about this?
16 posted on 01/14/2004 11:24:18 AM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Huck
So, do you know anyone willing to run that is like Neal Boortz?
17 posted on 01/14/2004 11:34:28 AM PST by PersonalLiberties (Between Life and the Pursuit of Happiness you Need Liberty)
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To: PersonalLiberties
I don't know much about Boortz. He's pretty much libertarian, right? Libertarianism doesn't have a prayer of a chance.
18 posted on 01/14/2004 11:35:45 AM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: PersonalLiberties
But, I do think showing up and voting for a throw away is better than staying home. If you stay home, you could be just an apathetic loser. If you show up and vote, no matter who you voted for, you had your say.
19 posted on 01/14/2004 11:39:05 AM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: varina davis
Are you saying it is wrong for the president to promote marriage?
20 posted on 01/14/2004 11:40:02 AM PST by Kaslin ("The way to dishonor a fallen soldier is to quit too early." President George W. Bush)
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