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Bush Gives Country Away
WND.com | 01-15-03 | Farah, Joseph

Posted on 01/15/2004 9:49:14 AM PST by Theodore R.

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To: Dane
You must not read much while here. The method has been posted clearly and frequently. It can be condensed down to one point that goes something like this...

1) Enforce existing laws and pass new laws to make it plain to potential employers that if you hire an illegal, you are in grave danger of losing your business, your wealth, and your freedom.

It's that simple. If illegals are unable to find work, they will go home.
61 posted on 01/15/2004 11:30:04 AM PST by WayneM
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To: Sabertooth
Read the link, you don't quite have it yet

Yeah 15,000 Pakistanis, so. You stated that there were 50,000 illegal Pakistanis.

Psst, Saber, there are 160 times more illegals, mostly hispanic. For the same rate of success manpower would have to be increased 160 times.

JMO, the vast majority of the hispanic illegals are not terrorists or violent criminals.

62 posted on 01/15/2004 11:31:25 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Bush isn't proposing amnesty.

In this case, a turd by any other name would smell as foul.

63 posted on 01/15/2004 11:32:11 AM PST by jimt
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To: F16Fighter
Just for starters, how about a systematic deportation of ALL said illegal invaders, a systemic registry, seriously enforcing the borders, and heavily penalizing employers who hire illegal invaders?

Can't see us actually deporting them, but the rest is doable .....with a little political will (which the Bush administration obviously doesn't have). Cutting off their free social services is a good way to get most of 'em to head back home.

Unfortunately pandering for votes and payback to special interests (that desire cheap labor) is far more important than preserving our borders, language, and culture.

64 posted on 01/15/2004 11:35:03 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Carry_Okie
Given that a healthy majority of the electorate supports precisely that policy, your assertion is patently false.

I'm sure a lot of people support the concept, but how many of them would actually support the steps needed to physically round up 8 million illegals?

No, there's better ways to deal with this, but they're less sexy. Secure the border as best we can. Punish employers who hire illegals. Limited amnesties for certain classes of illegal (brought here as a very young child, been here for 30 or so years). Make it more difficult to go through everyday life without proof of citizenship/residency.

Taking these steps would lead to a gradual attrition of illegals over the long-term.

65 posted on 01/15/2004 11:36:01 AM PST by Modernman (Providence protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Thorin
It was called "Operation Wetback"--you can look it up

No doubt, but this isn't 1954. There wasn't a TV news camera on every street corner. The images of throwing women into a truck will cause outrage. An outrage for what, people for the most part working menial jobs.

Also the number is six times as large.

If you buy the Bush line, you have to accept that we are too weak and powerless to defend our own borders and enforce our immigration laws but we are powerful enough to successfully impose democracy on a part of the world--the Middle East--that has had despotic government for millennia.

Huh? Maybe trying to deal delicately with a neighbor we share a 2,000 mile border is a better idea. Putting up a wall ain't going to solve the problem, and solving this problem is going to be arduous. Also Mexico isn't exporting terrorism, that's a fact. Mid-east islamofacsits are.

66 posted on 01/15/2004 11:39:34 AM PST by Dane
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To: Modernman; Carry_Okie
FYI.

A related thread is here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058601/posts

Regarding the enforcement of employment laws relating to illegals.
67 posted on 01/15/2004 11:41:05 AM PST by RebelBanker (Deo Vindice)
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To: jimt
In this case, a turd by any other name would smell as foul

I guess you know your turds, you seem to like to spread them around on FR.

68 posted on 01/15/2004 11:41:14 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane; archy
That website he posted the graphic from is not welcome here on FR, IIRC.
69 posted on 01/15/2004 11:48:04 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Baynative
1,2,3...altogether now - BORDERS, LANGUAGE, CULTURE!

And it's 1-2-3 what are we fighting for, don't asked me I don't give a damn, next stops the amnesty plan.

Lets hear it!

A little 60s music for our kompassionate konservatives...

All you need is love!

70 posted on 01/15/2004 11:52:55 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Dane
How do you know terrorists aren't coming up through Mexico? In addition, we do know that those coming up through Mexico include large numbers of drug dealers and violent criminals, and the larger number coming here to work also use medical and educational facilities at taxpayer expense and either lower the wages paid to working-class Americans or drive Americans out of work. Bush simply refuses to face this problem.

And why won't a fence work? We certainly have the engineering know-how to construct one. Are you afraid the Mexicans will call us names?

71 posted on 01/15/2004 11:54:04 AM PST by Thorin
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To: guardian_of_liberty

As we do today when they are caught. In 1999 we deported over 1.7 million undocumented immigrants. We have averaged over 1.3 million deportation each year in the previous decade. One by one they are deported, but over time many have slipped through, and have integrated into our society with varying degrees of success. It would be unconstitutional NOT to address the problem, and that is exactly what President Bush is doing, addressing the problem.

Farrah's article is mostly baloney. Doing nothing different today is what is unconstitutional, dangerous, and immoral. His lack of any suggestions on how President Farrah would handle the situation differently really means his article is all bluster.

72 posted on 01/15/2004 11:55:08 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Thorin; Sabertooth
and the larger number coming here to work also use medical and educational facilities at taxpayer expense and either lower the wages paid to working-class Americans or drive Americans out of work. Bush simply refuses to face this problem

I agree that they shouldn't be on welfare, but that is up to the states. California is generous, Texas much less so. As for schools if they aren't paying property taxes, no school. Most are probably paying property taxes since they are living in apartments where the tax is included in the rent. If they go to school, they should be taught in English. California passed such an intiative a few years ago.

Like it or not we are going to have to deal with Mexico, you just can't wish it away. Heck even Sabertooth himself said that a wall is not a good idea.

73 posted on 01/15/2004 12:01:06 PM PST by Dane
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To: WayneM
pass new laws to make it plain to potential employers that if you hire an illegal, you are in grave danger of losing your business, your wealth, and your freedom.

It is already the law.

74 posted on 01/15/2004 12:02:21 PM PST by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: carenot
Please check out the link in my post #67. Good article from Fox News about how difficult it is to enforce those laws.
75 posted on 01/15/2004 12:07:04 PM PST by RebelBanker (Deo Vindice)
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To: Theodore R.
Despite what the RNC shills and bleeding hearts/weak minds ("illegal aliens are economic refugees that make good neighbors") say, Farah is exactly right.

The only good thing Bush has done with this proposal is force a debate.
76 posted on 01/15/2004 12:10:04 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Theodore R.
Imagine criticizing President Bush like that. Joe Farah is a DU-ing, DNC-ing, Liberal troll. Zot Joe Farah!!!

</sarcasm>
77 posted on 01/15/2004 12:11:51 PM PST by kevao
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To: Dane
Huh, are you going to have the IRS have new powers and manpower to look over millions of businesses.

Oh you of little intelligence and imagination... Have you ever heard of a bounty?

They work.

78 posted on 01/15/2004 12:12:18 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly gutless.)
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To: Dane
So a fence isn't practical because another poster thinks it's a bad idea? Interesting logic there.

As for dealing with Mexico, so far we have dealt with Mexico by passing a ONE TIME amnesty in 1986 which was supposed to stop illegal immigration but didn't and by passing NAFTA which shipped a lot of our manufacturing down there and was supposed to stop illegal immigration but didn't. Now Bush wants to reward the illegals not caught up in the first amnesty and basically eliminate the border.

That's not dealing with Mexico. That's surrendering to Mexico.

79 posted on 01/15/2004 12:13:33 PM PST by Thorin
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To: Dane
It is a proposal. It is up to Congress to figure out the specifics. This isn't an Executive Order you know.

Oh yeah, right, enforcement just happened to slip the mind of the chief executive officer in charge of enforcement.

Got another fantasy?

80 posted on 01/15/2004 12:13:39 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly gutless.)
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