Outrage Over Gun Case May Lead to New Law

CNS News ^ | 01/16/04 | Susan Jones

[ought-six]

"Morton Grove, Wilmette, Oak Park, Evanston and which other?"

I think it's either Winnetka or Glencoe.

[two23]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058823/posts

See post #43--This week in GA a high school wrestling coach and his teenage son were shot and killed in their home by an intruder. The intruder fled the scene during apprehension, shot a dog (K-9?) and then was shot and killed by police officers.
(The high school and community is shocked and grieving and the local news paper runs an article today about the "poor" perpetrator.) (barf alert)
If only the coach was armed...

[Modernman]

4. Hand him a pair of scissors and tell him to run

LOL.

[two23]

"The very best home defense weapon is a 12-gauge pump shotgun loaded with 00-buck. You don't have to be a great shot and the shots (those little round .50 caliber balls that make up 00-bukshot) won't overpenetrate to threaten a neighbor's house three doors down. The perp gets hit and goes down. Period. I am unaware of any history of a full-grown adult walking away from a load of 00-buck in his chest."

I agree--but last year there was an article posted here at FR about a 65 year old widow woman who was forced to confront a home intruder. Her deceased husband left her his weapons, and she had to make a decision: Pistol or Shotgun?...she chose the pistol, she said, because (LOL) "I just had new counter tops put in and didn't want to damage them." (LOL)..yes, she shot the perp. Hilarious that this woman is thinking about her countertops while reaching for her weapon of choice!

[Modernman]

Not against handguns but for home defense the shotgun is better in my opinion.

For deterence and scaring an intruder off, the sound of a shotgun is certainly the best. However, I'd be a little leery of shooting buckshot in the house, especially if you have other people (such as a wife, kids) or pets around.

[holdmuhbeer]

For deterence and scaring an intruder off, the sound of a shotgun is certainly the best. However, I'd be a little leery of shooting buckshot in the house, especially if you have other people (such as a wife, kids) or pets around. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As opposed to .38 or .44 mag, i'll take the buckshot.

[mvpel]

It's time to pass statewide preemption, not just a narrow exception to local gun ordinances. Why the for half measures? They've got a situation tailor made for going for the throat of the oppressive gun laws in Illinois.

[redgolum]

I lived in the Chicago area for a while. My insurance agent told me to get a shot gun loaded with 3 1/2 steel goose shot (BBB). That way you can claim you defended yourself with what you had. Using buckshot will get you in trouble, because the prosecutor will say you must have WANTED to KILL some POOR DEFENSELESS intruder.

Needless to say, I left Chicago. Now my home defense is a 1911 loaded with +p ammo.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that it is an affirmative defense to a violation of a municipal ordinance that prohibits, regulates, or restricts the private ownership of firearms if the individual who is charged with the violation used the firearm in an act of self-defense or defense of another. Effective immediately.

This is the most important legislation to be introduced this year, especially for those who live near Chicago. Write or Call in support of this bill along with your local reps and senators.

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this is a garbage amendment!!!!

Why. Because you are confirming the regulation of firearms by cities and municipal. You are verifying the right of the cities under home rule to enact these stupid gun ordinances to prevent the ownership. All this amendment does is to prevent the jailing of an so called illegal firearm. Why not just fix the problem and outlaw all ordinances that make illegal the ownership or use of firearms in the home.

Chicagofarmer

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[76834]

You sure got that right.
IMO the "Cheif" forgot the oath he swore to uphold.

ie:
the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

[m1-lightning]

Why the for half measures?

Because we are dictated by a Democratic majority in the general assembly.

[m1-lightning]

...one that I might add tried to ban quick load weapons last year including semi auto rifles, 12 guage shotguns, etc.

[m1-lightning]

Why not just fix the problem and outlaw all ordinances that make illegal the ownership or use of firearms in the home.

And while you're at it, just ask the Senate Democrats to ban abortion too. You have to be crazy to believe these liberal idiots will support any kind of legislation such as you've described. I agree with what you want. The only way we're going to get it is to take back the General Assembly.

[sistergoldenhair]

Morton Grove, Wilmette, Oak Park, Evanston and which other?

Palatine?

[m1-lightning]

I know Palatina and Mt. Prospect both considered it but I think they back off from pressure from the ISRA

[concentric circles]

Wilmette Village Board Gets Barrage Of Criticism For Handgun Ban
Bob Roberts WBBM Newsradio 780 - January 14, 2004

The Wilmette Village Board heard a barrage of criticism of the suburb's handgun ban, and the decision to press charges against a homeowner who shot an intruder. But they showed no desire at Tuesday night's board meeting to make change.

Two former trustees who voted to approve the ordinance reaffirmed their support. Former trustee Mary S. Ryan even called it her "proudest moment." But 23 of the next 25 speakers spoke against it, although fewer than half said they lived in Wilmette.

Police Chief George Carpenter said, based on his experience, guns kept in homes were far more likely to be used against Wilmette residents in domestic quarrels or for suicides than for protection. He urged residents to dial 911 instead.

But many of the gun advocates who spoke were far angrier with trustee Bernard Michna. Michna said he had also been the victim of a break-in when he lived in Chicago, but said he believed the board was "unanimous in that there will be no change in the handgun ordinance."

One speaker used giant cue cards to illustrate his points. Others used sarcasm.

"If we hear someone screaming, may we then come out of our locked rooms and, brandishing our phones, confront the perpetrator?" asked an incredulous Henry Koslowski.

Gun advocates chuckled as Conceal Carry, Inc., President John Birch mocked the ban. "Anything that attracts criminals to your town and away from mine, is a good thing," Birch said. "I want to assure you I support your law. Keep your law and I request that you also ban knives, crowbars and maybe automobiles."

Brent Hansen of Wheeling pulled out a wad of money, waved it at the trustees and said, "I'm going to give all my money in my wallet to the defendant who is being abused by your ordinance."

Still others were blunt.

"I don't want to be the guy hauled out of my house under arrest when I shoot someone for breaking in," said Kevin Baxter, of Hampshire.

"What happens if somebody breaks into a home three months from now and kills the family," asked Derek Theclas of Wilmette. "I believe that anyone who would break into a home would have a weapon to protect themselves against the homeowner, so I don't see why we can't have…the right to defend ourselves against that trespasser."

Two Chicago radio talk show hosts even spoke against the ban, claiming listeners identifying themselves as being from Wilmette told them overwhelmingly that they were upset by the ban and the charges filed against 54-year-old Hale DeMar.

One said, "The arrogance of the trustees is appalling," and both suggested that residents defeat trustees and village board candidates who support the ban.

Village President Nancy Canafax, the last remaining member of the board that approved the ban, reminded opponents that the measure passed six weeks before an election in which its supporters won resoundingly.

"All I can says is that this community has felt secure for 15 years with this gun control," she said. "I think our residents agree with our chief, who says it has provided more safety than it has prevented harm.

She then invited opponents to test their support at the ballot box. "There's another election soon, and we'll see," she said.

DeMar, the owner of the Oak Tree Restaurant, 900 N. Michigan Av., shot Morio Billings, 31, twice on Dec. 29. Billings had allegedly broken into the DeMar home, at 35 Linden Av., in Wilmette, for the second time in two nights. He was arrested after seeking treatment at St. Francis Hospital, in Evanston, for gunshot wounds to the side and leg.

Billings is being held in the Cermak Hospital unit of the Cook County Jail in lieu of $3 million bond on two counts of residential burglary and possession of a stolen motor vehicle. DeMar is charged with failure to have a valid Firearm Owners Identification Card, and of violating the Wilmette ordinance.

[m1-lightning]

"She then invited opponents to test their support at the ballot box. "There's another election soon, and we'll see," she said."

Wonder how many out-of-towners are going to "test their support" after that comment?

[nygoose]

I think it's either Skokie or Morton Grove.

[nygoose]

She then invited opponents to test their support at the ballot box. "There's another election soon, and we'll see," she said.

Village President Canafax is quite confident that the ethnic make-up of Wilmette will ensure a vote against the Second Amendment. She seems rather arrogant about it.

[Mini-14]

little round .50 caliber balls that make up 00-bukshot

According to the labeling on my Federal cartridge boxes:

0 buckshot == .30 caliber
00 buckshot == .33 caliber
000 buckshot == .36 caliber