[Once-Ler]

Show anywhere a posting in my entire history where I said "llegal immigration = 20 million drug dealers." You can not.

I have already done so twice on this very thread…I know you realize this because you keep denying your own words in a painfully pathetic attempt to distance yourself from them…here they are again. Title: Man convicted of operating 'drug house'(Illegal Alien Crime News Again)
But don't worry, 20 million more won't affect the crime rate.

I see illegal immigrants as humans yearning for a better way of life.

So based on this, you're a socialist or communist.

Perhaps you are not a bigot, but just mentally defective…not that the 2 are usually separate maladies.

Yet you cheer for policies that Stalin, Mao, Castro and many other communist dictatorships believe in; borderless socities where the capitalists elites are brought down a peg by stealing their hard work and redstributing it to the "poor" people willing to violate the United States Constitution for their own profit.

Yep. You're not too bright. Look up the border around East Berlin for as a start to educate yourself in how the commies love free borders. Before 1989, most of the borders between Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, such as Ukraine and Belarus, were sealed, guarded and all travel restricted. Cuba has its own physical border…it’s called water. If people are caught fleeing Cuba they are arrested or killed…look up “13 de Marzo tug boat.” When Elian’s mother drowned bringing him to Florida Clinton and people like you demanded he be sent back. Dubya says people have “A God given right to Freedom.” You see no value in the lives of struggling people. You want a Berlin wall around the US. You have more in common with the socialist and communist than I do. I agree with Ronald Reagan…

“I’ve spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don’t know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and heart to get there. That’s how I saw it, and see it still.” Farewell Address to the Nation, January 11, 1989

[Beck_isright]

"Look up the border around East Berlin for as a start to educate yourself in how the commies love free borders."

I saw the wall with the East German guards. Did you? Did you put on the uniform and see it? There is a difference between keeping invaders out and your own citizens trapped within. Bot on bubba. You're making a fool of yourself.

[kingu]

Huh. 20 million illegal immigrants. Let's see. First, there's the crime of violating the territorial laws of a sovereign nation. So every single one is a criminal...

He said 'But don't worry, 20 million more won't affect the crime rate.' Which is obviously a sarcastic statement - since by definition an illegal immigrant breaks the law.

But I do have a question for you, since you seem to view illegal immigrants as being 'humans yearning for a better way of life.' What of the millions waiting to come to this country to not only live here and make money, but because their dream is to be a citizen and to live the American dream?

Should they continue to be kept out because others decide that following the rules is not for them? What about the millions who didn't bother to apply for Reagan's amnesty? What about the repeated reports, over and over again, of illegals who don't want to stop being Mexicans?

Yeah, there's a hell of a lot of hard working people who broke the law to come to this country with every intention of someday being offered the chance to earn their citizenship. But for every one of them, there's at least three who want to come here the legal way, who don't want to start the American dream by being a criminal, but instead want to start out right.

I suggest that you dismount from your high horse, drop the personal insults, and actually participate in the discussion rather than inputing your own biases into the mouthes of others. There are enough sides in this debate, many of which are impassioned, that increasing the complexity by taking things personally degrades the topic to the point of kindergarten shouting matches, and kids don't make laws or policy, nor are they allowed to vote.